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TO DO
TO DO — open actions. Built Aug 16, 2026.
Ordered by yield per unit of effort, not by topic. The first block is free and unblocks the most.
Mark Status as DONE and add the finding to the relevant tab. Nothing here is a guess — every row traces to a specific open question recorded in this workbook.
TIER 1 — COSTS NOTHING, UNBLOCKS THE MOST. DO THESE FIRST.
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T1 | CRITICAL | Measure — shirts | Lay ONE Jun-Jul 2025 StudioSuits shirt flat (front length 30 cohort — most washed and dried, worst case). Measure: chest, hem/bottom, shoulder seam-to-seam, FRONT length, BACK length. | Gives the true shrinkage rate for tumble-dried StudioSuits cotton, which corrects all 28 shirts at once. Simultaneously answers the front-vs-back length question and shows whether the hem is really narrower than the spec. Currently every StudioSuits number in this workbook is AS-CUT and overstates the garment as worn by an unknown amount. | 4 min | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T2 | CRITICAL | Try-on — shirts | Wear a Dec 2025 StudioSuits shirt (front length 28.5) and a Jun-Jul 2025 one (30). Does the shorter one clear the widest part of the hip? | Both lengths are already in the wardrobe — the experiment is already run, just unobserved. If 28.5 clears, shortening alone is the fix and the hem stays at 39.5. If it still catches, the hem must be widened regardless of length. Blocks the next StudioSuits order. | 0 min | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T3 | CRITICAL | Try-on — shirts | Put the Apposta Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt back on. Owner has not worn it in a while. | The only wear evidence for it is "wearable", given from memory. It is the one garment sitting between the merino spec and the failed 18-shoulder cohort. Blocks the Apposta reorder. | 2 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T4 | HIGH | Measure — shirts | Lay the Apposta shirt and the Proper Cloth merino AC2024242 flat SIDE BY SIDE. Measure both the same way: shoulder seam to shoulder seam straight across, and chest. | Converts Apposta's "18" onto this workbook's convention and as-cut to as-worn in one pass. Removes Apposta's unknown measuring convention, Proper Cloth's convention and the ease question together. Blocks the Apposta shoulder AND chest decisions. | 5 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T5 | HIGH | Ask — shirts | Does the merino AC2024242 — the spec garment itself — also catch at the hip when untucked? Has it ever been worn untucked? | Its hem is NARROWER than the shirts that catch. "Fits" was recorded on chest and shoulder; the hem was never discussed. If it catches too, the spec needs correcting at source rather than a separate untucked variant. | 1 min | OPEN | MTM SPEC SHEET |
| T6 | HIGH | Measure — velvet | Lay the StudioSuits Blue Velvet Tuxedo (473320) and the Reda Black Pure Wool jacket (458152) flat. Measure waist and hem on both. Then measure the velvet AS ALTERED. | They were ORDERED to identical numbers, so any difference IS what velvet costs. As-ordered vs as-altered gives the exact allowance for the next velvet order. Converts the velvet rule from provisional to numeric. | 8 min | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T7 | HIGH | Try-on — velvet | Does the Hangrr Deep Purple Wool VEST fit? It was ordered SLIM on the SAME order as the Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer. | THE DISCRIMINATING TEST between the two competing explanations for the velvet blazer: Hangrr SLIM ladder vs velvet fabric. If the wool vest fits, SLIM is exonerated and fabric carries the weight. Flagged in this workbook since before today and never checked. | 2 min | OPEN | Alterations tab |
| T8 | HIGH | Measure — trousers | Lay the best-fitting trouser flat and measure the SEAT. | THE LONGEST-STANDING GAP IN THE PROJECT. Suitsupply publishes no seat figure (dropdown reads "Standard"), so the single governing lower-body dimension has no finished number anywhere. Blocks every future trouser order at every maker. | 4 min | OPEN | MTM SPEC SHEET |
TIER 2 — READ A DEFINITION. THE MEASURING-POINT AUDIT.
Five measuring-point errors were found in a single day: Suitsupply upper leg (6 in below the crotch, not at it), Proper Cloth yoke (IS shoulder width, workbook said it was not), Proper Cloth midsection (two conflicting published definitions), Apposta chest vs waist (flat and circumference mixed in one form), StudioSuits front length vs Proper Cloth back length. Every ease figure derived from an unread field is provisional.
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T9 | CRITICAL | Definitions | Suitsupply: open the "i" tooltip on TROUSER waist, lower leg width, front rise, back rise; and on JACKET chest, waist, hip, back width, bicep. Record each definition verbatim. | The unit convention is solved; the MEASURING POINT convention is not. Ten fields in active use have never had their definitions read. This is the last structural unknown in the master reference. | 10 min | OPEN | SS MASTER tab |
| T10 | HIGH | Definitions | Suitsupply: the SHIRT shoulder field tooltip specifically. | Suitsupply shirt reads 18.31 against Proper Cloth 17.10 on the same body — a 1.21 in gap only half explained by the "take in 0.5" complaint. The rest may be definitional. Blocks the 17.1-vs-17.4 shoulder decision. | 2 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T11 | HIGH | Definitions | Apposta: open "How to take the measurement" on the CHEST and SHOULDERS fields on the goodat155 profile page. Also read the "How to Get Your Shirt Measurements" guide emailed 6 Apr 2025 (still in the mailbox). | Those two fields carry the whole reorder decision. Apposta mixes flat and circumference within one form and the basis is unverified. One click each on a page already open. | 3 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T12 | HIGH | Definitions | StudioSuits: read the "Suit Sizing" help page. Establish for EVERY field whether it is BODY or GARMENT and FLAT or CIRCUMFERENCE. Also find out whether they pre-shrink their cotton. | 39 garments are held out of the inventory pending this. StudioSuits labels one field "Waist CIRCUMFERENCE" and the rest "Width" — the same mixed-convention trap. If they pre-shrink, the entire shrinkage analysis collapses and the numbers can be taken at face value. | 10 min | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T13 | MEDIUM | Definitions | Apposta: ask whether their quoted measurements are PRE- or POST-shrink. Also confirm whether the Apposta shirt gets tumble dried. | Cotton-bamboo poplin is washable. If it shrinks, ordering 21.2 flat lands under 21.2 as worn. This is step 1 of the spec sheet's own washable-fabric procedure and it has not been done. | 5 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
TIER 3 — ACCOUNT AND ARCHIVE CAPTURES
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T14 | HIGH | Capture | Screenshot the Suitsupply SHIRT profile that was saved today. The exact values entered were never captured. | The workbook records that a profile was saved but not what is in it. Without this the file holds what was RECOMMENDED, not what was STORED. | 1 min | OPEN | Proper Cloth tab |
| T15 | MEDIUM | Capture | Suitsupply jacket: re-check the SKIRT dropdown. Live screen read -0.2 in; the Feb 18 capture recorded -1.0 cm. | The only field across all three Suitsupply garments that does not reconcile. Every other dropdown converts exactly. | 1 min | OPEN | SS MASTER tab |
| T16 | HIGH | Capture | Apposta: expand "View all details" on order 1751558736647 for the as-ordered garment spec (collar, cuff, fit, measurement set used). | The profile is captured but the ORDER spec is not. Confirms what was actually built vs what is stored now. | 2 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T17 | HIGH | Capture | Empower daily financial monitors, 01/07/2025 through 10/07/2025, in full. | Should yield the Apposta amount, the Sunspel amount and anything else in the early-July 2025 buying burst in one window. Apposta order Jul 3, Sunspel first purchase ~Jul 6, Black Lapel shirt pattern Jul 1 — three shirt sources inside one week. | 10 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T18 | MEDIUM | Capture | Empower monitor 03/07/2025 to 06/07/2025 — the actual card charge for Apposta. | Resolves the $19.00 unexplained residual on order 1751558736647 (handkerchief vs shipping). No shipping figure has been recorded because it is not established. | 3 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T19 | HIGH | Capture | Sunspel account (sunspel.com) — order history. | Confirmed purchaser (~Jul 2025) via the "One Year Since Your Sunspel Purchase" email. Amount, items and size all unknown. Was recorded as PROSPECT until today. | 5 min | DONE Aug 16 2026 | New Brands tab |
| T20 | HIGH | Capture | Alex Crane account (alexcrane.co) — order history. | $652 across two purchases (Mar 3 and Mar 26, 2026) confirmed from bank alerts. CONTENTS COMPLETELY UNKNOWN — no items, no sizes. | 5 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T21 | HIGH | Capture | Bonobos account export. | Long-standing. Many white chinos and linen shorts owned, ZERO records. Order confirmations split across three sender domains, so email search has repeatedly failed. | 10 min | OPEN | pre-existing |
| T22 | MEDIUM | Capture | Proper Cloth: orders AC1810344 (Apr 10 2025) and AC1826334 (May 4 2025). One holds the short-sleeve black pique. Also AC1811735 (Apr 12 2025 — casual trousers, not a shirt). | 6 of 9 orders captured. Note the Fit Ladder header still says "4 of 9" and Shirt Inventory says "3 of 9" — both stale, see T31. | 5 min | OPEN | Proper Cloth tab |
| T23 | MEDIUM | Capture | Remaining brands: Mauvais (1 order), Banana Republic / BR Factory, Carmina (3rd invoice), Ferragamo, Prada, Hogan, remaining Louboutin pairs, Paul James pricing. | Declared but uncaptured. Footwear brands have no records at all. | — | OPEN | pre-existing |
| T24 | MEDIUM | Capture | Search myers_jesse@yahoo.com and the 5,953-message "lists" folder. | Never searched. The email archive has been proven incomplete repeatedly — Covenant Brothers, Allen Edmonds, Naked & Famous, Bonobos, and today Apposta and Sunspel. | 15 min | OPEN | pre-existing |
| T25 | MEDIUM | Capture | Sartoro measurements — contact support or measure garments directly. | Sartoro publishes NO measurements in the customer account. 42 garments, the largest block in the wardrobe, cut to an unpublished Jan 28 2025 profile. The single biggest blind spot. | — | OPEN | pre-existing |
TIER 4 — WORKBOOK BUILD TASKS (mine, not yours)
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T26 | HIGH | Build | Add the 39 StudioSuits garments to Orders, Garment Inventory and Shirt Inventory. | Deliberately held. 39 garments is a large insertion and the basis question (T12) should be settled first so rows go in correctly labelled rather than corrected later. | — | BLOCKED by T12 | StudioSuits tab |
| T27 | MEDIUM | Build | Add the Apposta order and garment to Orders and Garment Inventory. | Held pending the MTM spec (T16) and the true shipping split (T18). | — | BLOCKED by T16/T18 | New Brands tab |
| T28 | MEDIUM | Build | Add the two hidden StudioSuits suits to Fabric Groups: Reda Black Wool 3-piece (458152 + 475824, $819) and Blue Velvet 2-piece (473320 + 473325, $377, same DHL tracking). | Both are split across separate orders and read as unrelated garments. Same pattern as the Suitsupply Purple Wool Silk Linen suit already documented. | — | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T29 | HIGH | Build | Build the UNTUCKED shirt spec as a separate variant of the tucked spec: midsection +0.5 or more, back length 1.5-2.5 in shorter, hem widened to clear the hip, plus a shrinkage allowance for tumble-dried fabrics. | This distinction has never existed in the workbook — every shirt figure has been treated as one interchangeable set. Proper Cloth publishes the offsets. | — | BLOCKED by T1/T2 | MTM SPEC SHEET |
| T30 | MEDIUM | Build | Add the StudioSuits velvet jacket alterations to the Alterations tab once amounts are known. | 473320 and 485932 were both let out at waist and bottom. Amounts NOT recorded. | — | BLOCKED by T6 | Alterations tab |
| T31 | LOW | Build | Fix stale counters: Proper Cloth Fit Ladder header says "4 of 9 orders read", Shirt Inventory says "3 of 9". The body of the ladder holds SIX. | Internal contradiction. The same class of error as the Fit Ladder "PREFERRED" label that propagated into today's analysis before it was caught. | — | OPEN | Proper Cloth tab |
| T32 | HIGH | Build | Rebuild the HANDOFF document. The one in the project is dated Aug 12 and describes a 6-tab, 3-brand, 63-garment workbook. | The actual file is 44 tabs across 20+ brands. Anyone navigating from that handoff will be badly misled. | — | OPEN | project folder |
BLOCKED DECISIONS — do not act until the inputs above are in
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| D1 | — | Decision | APPOSTA REORDER — BLOCKED pending sizing update. | Owner instruction. Current stored profile is on the old 18-shoulder block, traceable to the Black Lapel pattern of 1 Jul 2025. Working targets: shoulder to 17.2-17.3 (NOT 17.5 — that was an as-cut number), chest RAISE from 20.5 flat to about 21.2, sleeve 25 LEAVE ALONE, waist and neck LEAVE ALONE. | — | BLOCKED by T3/T4/T11/T13 | New Brands tab |
| D2 | — | Decision | NEXT STUDIOSUITS SHIRT ORDER — shorten and/or widen the hem. | Shoulder 17.5 and chest 42.5 stay as ordered — owner-excluded and confirmed by heavy wear. CHANGE ONE VARIABLE AT A TIME: changing length and hem together removes the ability to tell which fixed it — the same error made with the Feb 18 Suitsupply trouser revision. | — | BLOCKED by T1/T2 | StudioSuits tab |
| D3 | — | Decision | NEXT VELVET ORDER — add allowance at waist and hem. | Provisional: at least +0.75 in over the wool number at the waist (+0.5 was tried and proved insufficient), similar at the hem, plus bicep allowance on any SLIM cut. Velvet is harder to let out cleanly than wool, so getting it right first time matters more here. | — | BLOCKED by T6/T7 | StudioSuits tab |
| D4 | — | Decision | SUPERSEDED by D5 — the queued +5 cm is the WRONG number and the queued list is incomplete. | Queued since before Nov 2025 and NEVER APPLIED to any garment. Even applied, the shoulder lands at 17.48 rather than ~17.2. | — | OPEN | pre-existing |
COUNT: 32 actions + 4 blocked decisions. Tier 1 is eight items, costs about 25 minutes of tape-and-try-on, and unblocks eleven of the rest.
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the Sunspel capture
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T33 | HIGH | Ask — ownership | Sunspel US-73202: who were the Classic Jersey Polo (M) and Cotton Linen T-shirt (M) for, and do you still own/wear them? | Bought 06 Jul 2025 — THE SAME DAY as the BR Factory order of 7 size-M linen pieces that were too big and given away. Until RECIPIENT and OWNERSHIP STATUS are known these two garments cannot be counted as size evidence in either direction. Blocks adding them to inventory. | 1 min | DONE Aug 16 2026 — Jesse, owned/worn | New Brands tab |
| T34 | MEDIUM | Ask — sizing | Does the Sunspel Classic Jersey Polo in M fit, and how does it compare to the Suitsupply size-M polo cardigans? | The Wear Log already lists "two Suitsupply size M polo cardigans and the Black Merino M — suspected too big, never confirmed". A worn Sunspel M polo would be the first confirmed data point on knitwear at M. | 1 min | PARTIAL — fit ok, garment unclear | Wear Log |
| T35 | LOW | Capture | Decode the Sunspel SKU colour codes: MPOL1052-BKAA and MTSH0192-BRFQ. | Colours are NOT recorded because they are not confirmed. Fabric-and-colour analysis in this workbook depends on accurate colour data. | 2 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the Sunspel fit verdict
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T36 | HIGH | Ask — sizing | Sunspel: does "fit ok" refer to the Classic Jersey Polo, the Cotton Linen T-shirt, or both? | Different cuts in different fabrics. If only one was assessed the other is still unknown, and the S recommendation may only apply to one of them. | 30 sec | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T37 | HIGH | Measure — knitwear | Lay the Sunspel M Classic Jersey Polo flat: chest, shoulder, length. Compare against Sunspel's published size chart for S. | Turns "tempted to try S" into arithmetic — shows exactly how much comes off. Sunspel cuts trim and a jersey polo has no seam allowance to let out, so going from slightly loose to too tight is a real risk. | 5 min | OPEN | New Brands tab |
| T38 | MEDIUM | Try-on — knitwear | Try on the two Suitsupply size-M polo cardigans, the Black Merino M and the CT Cream Merino M sweater. Record a verdict on each. | Flagged as "suspected too big, never confirmed" in both the Wear Log and Shirt Inventory. The Sunspel M is now the first confirmed size-M knit verdict and it was only slightly loose — so these are probably wearable rather than write-offs. Do not write them off unworn. | 5 min | DONE Aug 16 2026 — M knits WORN | Wear Log |
| T39 | LOW | Decision | Sunspel reorder in SIZE S — supported by the ladder and by three brands already at Small. | If ordering blind, test S on the $73 Cotton Linen T-shirt rather than the $130 polo. NOTE the caveat: a good S in the tee does not prove a good S in the polo. | — | BLOCKED by T36/T37 | New Brands tab |
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the two-size knitwear finding
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T40 | CRITICAL | Ask — body | How much does the waist actually vary between a low-fluctuation day and a high one — roughly how many inches? Is it mostly abdominal? | Day-to-day fluctuation appears NOWHERE in this workbook and every sizing conclusion has assumed a stable body. This one number determines how much ease a WOVEN needs to be comfortable across the range instead of on a single day. It touches the shirt spec, the trouser spec and every future MTM order. | 1 min | DONE Aug 16 2026 — 1.5-2 in at navel | Wear Log |
| T41 | HIGH | Ask — body | Which body state were the MTM specs measured in — a low day or a high day? Specifically the settled shirt midsection (17.5 flat) and the StudioSuits trouser waist (31.5). | Nobody has recorded it. The StudioSuits trouser waist stayed pinned at 31.5 for nine months while hip and thigh wandered — which is what correcting against a moving body looks like. | 1 min | OPEN | MTM SPEC SHEET |
| T42 | MEDIUM | Try-on — knitwear | CT Cream Merino M sweater — still unverified. Try it on. | The Suitsupply M knits are now confirmed worn. This one was flagged alongside them and has not been checked. Likely fine; confirm rather than assume. | 1 min | OPEN | Shirt Inventory |
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the fluctuation figure
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T43 | CRITICAL | Ask — fit | Does the Proper Cloth merino AC2024242 — the spec shirt — feel TIGHT AT THE WAIST on a bloated day? | At the top of the stated swing the spec midsection of 35.0 circ has ZERO ease over a 33.0 navel. If it feels tight, the spec midsection must rise and the whole shirt block moves. If it does not, the garment midsection sits above the navel and the arithmetic overstates the problem. ONE ANSWER SETTLES IT. | 30 sec | DONE Aug 16 2026 — wearable, spec stands | MTM SPEC SHEET |
| T44 | HIGH | Resolve | Reconcile the belly-button body waist: this sheet cites 33.5 in, the Lower Body Block records 33.0 in from the Apr 8 2025 self-measurement. | A 0.5 in disagreement is immaterial most places but decisive here — it is the difference between the spec shirt having zero ease on a high day and having negative ease. | 2 min | OPEN | Lower Body Block |
| T45 | HIGH | Measure — body | Measure the navel circumference on a LOW day and again on a HIGH day, and note both. Also measure at the height the shirt midsection actually falls. | Turns "1.5 to 2 in sometimes" into two dated figures, and establishes whether the garment midsection sits at the navel or above it — the caveat that currently limits every conclusion here. | 2 min x2 | SUPERSEDED by T46 | MTM SPEC SHEET |
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the rib-cage landmark
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| T46 | CRITICAL | Measure — body | Measure the NARROWEST point, just below the rib cage. It has NEVER been captured. | It is where the shirt midsection is actually built, and the owner reports it is STABLE. The most important body number missing from this workbook — load-bearing for the shirt block and reliable enough to trust. Replaces the navel as the figure to quote to any shirtmaker. | 1 min | OPEN | MTM SPEC SHEET |
| T47 | MEDIUM | Observe | Is the StudioSuits bottom button left undone MORE OFTEN the morning after a big dinner? | If yes, the untucked hem problem is partly a fluctuation problem rather than purely length/width — which changes the fix. Costs nothing but attention over a couple of weeks. | — | OPEN | StudioSuits tab |
| T48 | LOW | Build | Record the navel as a named UNMEASURED ZONE: every shirt is specified above it (midsection) and below it (bottom), and no brand has a field at it. | Structural gap worth recording, so a future maker who does offer a field there gets a real number rather than an inferred one. | — | OPEN | MTM SPEC SHEET |
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — from the orphan re-correction and the Oliver Wicks lengthening
| ID | Priority | Category | ACTION | WHY IT MATTERS / WHAT IT UNBLOCKS | Effort | Status | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| D5 | — | Decision | OLIVER WICKS — DO NOT ORDER until the full spec is rebuilt against Suitsupply. The three queued changes are not sufficient and one is wrong. | The delivered jacket had to be LENGTHENED (owner-confirmed). As built it is 0.90 in SHORT of Suitsupply, but the queued +5 cm would OVERSHOOT by 1.07 in — the right correction is about +2.3 cm. Two dimensions have no pending change at all: sleeve length (0.66 in short) and chest (1.89 in FULL, the largest gap). Applying the queued list alone leaves the jacket wrong on four of five dimensions. | — | OPEN | Size Passport |
| T49 | HIGH | Measure — jackets | Lay the Oliver Wicks jacket and a Suitsupply jacket flat together. Measure length, chest, shoulder, sleeve, bicep on both by the same method. | Oliver Wicks and Suitsupply both measure jacket length from unstated points, and six measuring-point errors surfaced today. The +2.3 cm figure is arithmetic on two numbers that may not describe the same thing. One side-by-side measurement replaces the whole calculation. | 8 min | OPEN | Size Passport |
| T50 | MEDIUM | Ask — Sartoro | Diamantia Teal and Charcoal Stretch have BUTTONS listed (Rimmed brown, Obsidian) but no jacket. Are those trouser buttons? | Open in Sartoro Master for several sessions. With only two stretch jackets now confirmed, the answer is almost certainly yes — closing it removes a standing ambiguity from the orphan analysis. | 1 min | OPEN | Sartoro Master |
| T51 | HIGH | Audit | Sweep the workbook for other corrections appended without marking the original line. | THREE found today — the pique "PREFERRED" label, the Sunspel/Apposta not-found claims, and the orphan list. Each published a superseded claim to the live website. The Lower Body Block orphan line was itself wrong and had been sitting unchallenged. | 20 min | OPEN | Fabric Groups |
StudioSuits
STUDIOSUITS — CAPTURED IN FULL, Aug 16, 2026
Source: 15 owner-supplied account order pages (studiosuits.com/account/orders/...). Complete: every order reconciles line items to subtotal and subtotal+shipping to total, with ZERO discrepancies.
THE WORKBOOK HELD NO STUDIOSUITS RECORD OF ANY KIND BEFORE TODAY. Not a partial capture — a completely missing brand.
HEADLINE
15 orders · 39 garments · $3,389 subtotal + $201 shipping = $3,590 total · plus $139 of separately-booked surcharges
28 SHIRTS · 6 trousers · 3 jackets · 2 waistcoats. Average $83 per garment.
StudioSuits is now the LARGEST SHIRT SOURCE IN THE WARDROBE BY UNIT COUNT — 28 against Proper Cloth 6 (9 orders) and Charles Tyrwhitt 59 pieces across 13 orders.
ORDERS
| Order | Placed | Shipped | Line items | Subtotal | Ship | Total | Garments | Courier/Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 449531 | May 4 2025 | Jun 2 2025 | Washed Black Stretch Chino Pants | 69 | 10 | 79 | 1 | DHL 1975063451 |
| 450808 | May 12 2025 | Jul 8 2025 | 2 SS + 1 LS Filafil Poplene + 4 Linen half-sleeve | 345 | 23 | 368 | 7 | Part-shipped Jun 7; 'Awaiting reconfirmed measurements' May 19 |
| 456867 | Jun 22 2025 | Jun 26 2025 | Filafil Poplene Light Gray + Black, both monogrammed JWM | 93 | 10 | 103 | 2 | DHL 5010853503 |
| 457579 | Jun 26 2025 | — | Other Charges x40 @ $1 | 40 | 0 | 40 | 0 | Surcharge only — no garment |
| 457817 | Jun 28 2025 | Jul 4 2025 | 4x Filafil Poplene short-sleeve (Blue, Sky Blue, Gray, Lt Gray) | 156 | 14 | 170 | 4 | DHL 8274918186 |
| 458152 | Jun 30 2025 | Aug 13 2025 | Reda Black Pure Wool PANTS + JACKET — the suit | 624 | 17 | 641 | 2 | TRIAL SHIPMENT Jul 17, final Aug 13. 'Awaiting information' Jul 4 |
| 458780 | Jul 4 2025 | Jul 23 2025 | Other Charges x99 (ref 458152) + 3 Stretch Poplene shirts | 259 | 12 | 271 | 3 | DHL 6686578286 |
| 461815 | Jul 21 2025 | Aug 9 2025 | 3 Linen shirts (Dublin Pink Orange, Euro Pale Blue, Euro Orchid Purple) | 205 | 12 | 217 | 3 | Fedex 391935864645 |
| 473320 | Sep 22 2025 | Oct 7 2025 | Blue Velvet Tuxedo Jacket | 257 | 12 | 269 | 1 | Same DHL tracking as 473325 — shipped together |
| 473325 | Sep 22 2025 | Oct 7 2025 | Velvet Waist Coat - Blue Velvet | 120 | 10 | 130 | 1 | Placed 71 min after 473320. SAME TRACKING — a split velvet suit |
| 475824 | Oct 14 2025 | Oct 30 2025 | Wool Waist Coat - Reda Black Pure Wool | 195 | 10 | 205 | 1 | Fedex 394797527493. Matches the Jun 30 Reda Black suit |
| 485117 | Dec 22 2025 | Dec 31 2025 | 3x Tailored Corduroy Trousers (Red, Light Blue, Ivory - 8 Wales) | 324 | 20 | 344 | 3 | DHL 6043818970 |
| 485932 | Dec 29 2025 | Jan 8 2026 | Velvet Jacket - Black Velvet | 202 | 12 | 214 | 1 | DHL 1370354016 |
| 486081 | Dec 30 2025 | Jan 14 2026 | 9 SHIRTS — largest single order in the brand | 373 | 29 | 402 | 9 | DHL 9668264594 |
| 489347 | Jan 20 2026 | Jan 29 2026 | Berry Wine Corduroy Pants | 127 | 10 | 137 | 1 | Fedex 888303075819 |
| TOTAL | 3389 | 201 | 3590 | 39 |
*** THE SHIRT PROFILE — 28 GARMENTS, ONE UNCHANGED SPEC ***
| Order | Date | Collar | Chest | Waist | Bottom | Shoulder | FrontLen | Sleeves | Bicep / Cuff |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 450808 | May 12 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 25.5 | 8.5 and 25 | 15 / 13.5 |
| 456867 | Jun 22 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 30 | 25 | 15.5 / 8.75 |
| 457817 | Jun 28 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 30 | 8.5 | 15 / 13.5 |
| 458780 | Jul 4 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 30 | 25 | 15.5 / 8.75 |
| 461815 | Jul 21 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 30 | 8.5 and 25 | both |
| 486081 | Dec 30 2025 | 15.5 | 42.5 | 35.5 | 39.5 | 17.5 | 28.5 | 8.5 | 15 / 13.5 |
CONSTANT ACROSS ALL 28 SHIRTS AND ALL 14 MONTHS: collar 15.5 · chest 42.5 · waist 35.5 · bottom 39.5 · shoulder 17.5.
THE ONLY FIELD THAT EVER MOVED IS FRONT LENGTH: 25.5 (May 2025) -> 30 (Jun-Jul 2025) -> 28.5 (Dec 2025).
LONG vs SHORT SLEEVE is set per garment, not per profile: 25 = long sleeve (cuff 8.75, bicep 15.5); 8.5 = short sleeve (cuff 13.5, bicep 15).
*** AND THE PROFILE IS ALMOST EXACTLY THE SETTLED SPEC ***
| Field | StudioSuits | Merino AC2024242 (THE SPEC, circ) | Difference |
|---|---|---|---|
| Chest | 42.5 | 42.4 | +0.1 |
| Waist / midsection | 35.5 | 35 | +0.5 |
| Bottom | 39.5 | 38.8 | +0.7 |
| Collar | 15.5 | 15.4 | +0.1 |
| Shoulder | 17.5 | 17.1 | +0.4 |
THE CHEST MATCHES THE SPEC TO ONE TENTH OF AN INCH. 42.5 against 42.4. He has been ordering StudioSuits at the merino chest since MAY 2025 — ten months before the merino shirt that settled the spec was even delivered (Mar 2026).
The whole profile sits 0.1 to 0.7 in above the spec — consistently a shade fuller, never tighter, and never by more than the Proper Cloth sewing tolerance of +/-0.25 on two of the five fields.
CONSEQUENCE: StudioSuits is not an outlier to be corrected. It is INDEPENDENT CORROBORATION of the settled shirt spec, from 28 garments and a different maker. The workbook has never had a second source on the shirt block until now.
THE SHOULDER MATTERS MOST. 17.5 sits between the merino 17.1 and the failed 18.00 cohort — and it is the ONLY shirt shoulder in the workbook in that gap. Whether these fit is the missing evidence for the whole shoulder question. NO WEAR VERDICT IS RECORDED FOR ANY OF THE 28.
*** THE TROUSER PROFILE — "dress pants good at 155" ***
The profile name states the weight it was built at: 155 lb. Cross-reference the Weight & Fit Timeline tab.
| Order | Date | Waist | Hip | Thigh | Knee | LegOpen | Outseam | FrontRise | BackRise |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 449531 | May 4 2025 | 31.5 | 36 | 22 | 16 | 12.5 | 39 | 10 | 15 |
| 458152 | Jun 30 2025 | 31.5 | 36 | 22.5 | 16 | 12.5 | 39 | 9.5 | 14.5 |
| 485117 | Dec 22 2025 | 31.5 | 38 | 23.25 | 17 | 13 | 39 | 9.5 | 14.5 |
| 489347 | Jan 20 2026 | 31.5 | 37 | 22 | 16 | 13 | 39 | 9.5 | 14.5 |
WAIST 31.5 AND OUTSEAM 39 NEVER MOVED across 9 months. Everything else drifted and then partly came back.
*** THIS CLOSES THE BIGGEST GAP ON THE MTM SPEC SHEET ***
That sheet states: "FINISHED GARMENT seat and thigh. Only the BODY figures are verified... If Luxire asks for garment seat/thigh the honest answer is that we do not have it." And for Suitsupply: "SEAT NOT PUBLISHED — the governing dimension still has no finished number."
STUDIOSUITS PUBLISHES BOTH. Hip Width 36-38 and Thigh Width 22-23.25, on four trousers, with dates.
BASIS IS NOT STATED ON THE PAGE AND MUST BE CONFIRMED. Against the verified BODY figures (waist 31 at the hip bones, seat 35, thigh 19) these read as GARMENT numbers with ease: waist +0.5, hip +1 to +3, thigh +3 to +4.25. But StudioSuits labels one field "Waist CIRCUMFERENCE" and the rest "Width", which is the same mixed-convention trap found today at Suitsupply, Proper Cloth and Apposta. DO NOT hand these to a maker until the basis is confirmed.
LEG OPENING 12.5 -> 13.0 brackets the MTM Spec Sheet's VERIFIED target of 13.5 from below. Both StudioSuits values are NARROWER than the stated preference.
FRONT RISE 10 then 9.5 across all later orders. The Spec Sheet records front rise 9-10 as VERIFIED and the Suitsupply reference reads 8.6. StudioSuits sits INSIDE the 9-10 band on all four trousers — independent support for the Spec Sheet figure and against the Suitsupply 8.6 being typical.
*** THE JACKET PROFILE — AND A DOCUMENTED SHOULDER NARROWING ***
| Order | Date | Garment | Height | Chest | SHOULDER | Midsection | Length | Sleeve | Bicep / SlvOpening |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 458152 | Jun 30 2025 | Reda Black Pure Wool | 70 | 39 | 18 | 35 | 30.75 | 23.75 | 15 / 11 |
| 473320 | Sep 22 2025 | Blue Velvet Tuxedo | 70 | 39 | 18 | 35 | 30.75 | 23.75 | 15 / 11 |
| 485932 | Dec 29 2025 | Black Velvet | 70 | 39 | 17 | 35.5 | 30.75 | 24.5 | 15 / 11 |
THE SHOULDER WENT 18 -> 18 -> 17 ON DEC 29, 2025. That is a deliberate 1 in narrowing, and it is the SAME CORRECTION the rest of the wardrobe was making at the same time.
TIMING: the Suitsupply Plano fitting was on or before Nov 7, 2025 and produced a 17.13 in jacket shoulder. The StudioSuits jacket shoulder dropped to 17 on Dec 29, 2025 — SEVEN WEEKS LATER. This looks like the Plano number being applied at a second maker.
IT IS ALSO THE ONLY PLACE IN THE WORKBOOK WHERE THE 18-TO-17 CORRECTION WAS ACTUALLY EXECUTED ON AN ORDER. Black Lapel shirt and overcoat still run 18.00; Oliver Wicks queued -1 cm and never applied it; Apposta still holds 18. StudioSuits did it.
Sleeve length moved with it: 23.75 -> 24.5 (+0.75) on the same order. A narrower shoulder needs a longer sleeve to reach the same wrist — internally consistent, and evidence the change was considered rather than accidental.
JACKET CHEST 39 vs the Suitsupply finished 40.0. StudioSuits jackets are cut 1 in tighter in the chest than the Suitsupply reference.
*** THE WAISTCOAT PROFILE ***
| Order | Date | Fabric | Height | Vest Length | Chest | Stomach |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 473325 | Sep 22 2025 | Blue Velvet | 71 | 26 | 38 | 33 |
| 475824 | Oct 14 2025 | Reda Black Pure Wool | 71 | 27 | 38 | 32.5 |
Vest length 26 -> 27, stomach 33 -> 32.5 three weeks apart. Chest held at 38.
Suitsupply waistcoat for comparison: chest 38.8 circ, waist 35.6 circ. StudioSuits 38 / 32.5-33 is TIGHTER in both — notably 2.6-3.1 in tighter at the stomach.
*** TWO HIDDEN SUITS — THE ORDER NUMBERS DISGUISE THEM ***
REDA BLACK PURE WOOL 3-PIECE, assembled across TWO orders four months apart:
458152 (Jun 30 2025) jacket $365 + pants $259 · 475824 (Oct 14 2025) waistcoat $195. Same fabric, same Purple lining ($15), same Horn Royal Black buttons ($7). TOTAL $819 + shipping.
BLUE VELVET 2-PIECE, split across two orders SEVENTY-ONE MINUTES APART on the same day:
473320 (4:14 pm) tuxedo jacket $257 · 473325 (5:25 pm) waistcoat $120. Both Electric Blue lining ($15). BOTH SHIPPED ON THE SAME DHL TRACKING NUMBER 1132156922 — proof they are one garment set. TOTAL $377 + shipping.
This is the same pattern the workbook already documents at Suitsupply, where the Purple Wool Silk Linen suit was bought as jacket and trousers on two separate orders a month apart. Add these to the Fabric Groups tab.
*** THE $139 OF "OTHER CHARGES" ***
457579 (Jun 26 2025) — Other Charges, 40 units @ $1 = $40. No garment, no shipping, no comment.
458780 (Jul 4 2025) — Other Charges, 99 units @ $1 = $99, with the comment "Order 458152".
The $99 is EXPLICITLY tied to the Reda Black Wool suit. StudioSuits appears to bill upcharges as a separate $1-unit line, sometimes on a separate order entirely.
CONSEQUENCE FOR COSTING: the true landed cost of the Reda Black suit is $624 + $99 = $723 before shipping, not $624. The $40 on 457579 is unattributed — it most likely belongs to 456867 (placed 4 days earlier) or 457817 (2 days later), but nothing on the page says so. RECORDED AS UNATTRIBUTED.
*** WHAT IS NOT KNOWN — DO NOT FILL THESE IN BY INFERENCE ***
1. NO WEAR OR FIT VERDICT EXISTS FOR ANY OF THE 39 GARMENTS. 28 shirts at shoulder 17.5 and not one word on whether they fit. This is the single largest untapped fit signal in the workbook.
2. BASIS UNCONFIRMED on every StudioSuits field — body vs garment, flat vs circumference. The site has a "Suit Sizing" help page and a "Cm to Inches Converter"; neither has been read.
3. FABRIC COMPOSITION unknown for Filafil Poplene and Stretch Poplene — the two most-repeated shirt fabrics. Stretch content matters given the documented 2-4% elastane rule on denim.
4. SHRINKAGE UNKNOWN, and these are washable cotton shirts. Per the MTM Spec Sheet principle established Aug 15, every figure above is AS-CUT and may not describe the garment as worn.
5. The 486081 order (9 shirts, Dec 30 2025) has ONE item — European Sapphire Blue Linen at $71 — priced nearly double the poplenes. Not investigated.
6. Two items now read "Sold out" (Air Blue Stretch Poplene, European Pale Blue Linen, European Orchid Purple Linen) — they cannot be reordered.
NOT YET ADDED to the Orders tab, Garment Inventory or Shirt Inventory. Held deliberately: 39 garments is a large insertion and the basis question should be settled first so the rows carry correct labels rather than being corrected later.
*** WEAR VERDICT — OWNER, Aug 16, 2026. FIRST FIT RECORD FOR ALL 28 SHIRTS. ***
Owner: "yes, i wear those shirts a lot ... they run a little bit LONGER than the others despite having the same length measurement. I sometimes have to leave the bottom button undone because of the length, because it falls across the absolute widest part of my hips ... the changes I would make really dont involve the shoulder, but I would either shorten them and/or widen the opening at the bottom."
*** FINDING 1 — THE SHOULDER AT 17.5 IS CONFIRMED GOOD. THIS IS THE BIGGEST RESULT. ***
28 shirts worn heavily at shoulder 17.5, and the owner explicitly excludes the shoulder from the changes he would make.
17.5 was the ONLY shirt shoulder in the workbook sitting between the merino 17.1 (fits) and the failed 18.00 cohort. That gap is now filled with a WORN, HEAVY-USE verdict rather than an inference.
CONSEQUENCE — THE WEARABLE SHOULDER BAND IS 17.1 TO AT LEAST 17.5, PROVEN ON GARMENTS. Not a single point. Anything inside it is safe; the question was never as tight as this workbook has treated it.
CONSEQUENCE FOR APPOSTA: the reorder guidance was to pull 18 down to about 17.2-17.5. 17.5 is now PROVEN on 28 garments, so that is the target to use — the conservative end of the range, not the aggressive end. Do not chase 17.1.
CONSEQUENCE FOR BLACK LAPEL: the 18.00 DO NOT ORDER verdict still stands untouched — 18.00 is above 17.5 and nothing here vindicates it. But the reasoning is now cleaner: the demonstrated ceiling is 17.5, not 17.1.
*** FINDING 2 — "SAME LENGTH MEASUREMENT" IS AN ILLUSION. DIFFERENT FIELDS. ***
StudioSuits measures FRONT LENGTH. Proper Cloth measures BACK LENGTH. They are not the same dimension and must never be compared directly.
| Brand | Field | Value | |
|---|---|---|---|
| StudioSuits | FRONT Length | 30 | (28.5 on the Dec 2025 order; 25.5 on the first order) |
| Proper Cloth merino | BACK Length | 31 | THE SPEC |
| Proper Cloth black pique | BACK Length | 30.7 | |
| Apposta | "length" — side unstated | 30 | UNKNOWN which |
| Black Lapel | "Shirt length" | 30 | UNKNOWN which |
THIS EXPLAINS THE OWNER OBSERVATION EXACTLY. On a shirt with a dropped or rounded back hem the back is longer than the front. A StudioSuits garment with a 30 in FRONT length can easily carry a 32-33 in BACK length — genuinely longer on the body than a Proper Cloth measured at 31 on the BACK, despite the numbers looking almost identical.
The owner felt a real difference that the paper denied. The paper was wrong, because the paper was comparing two different measurements.
FIFTH MEASURING-POINT ERROR FOUND TODAY — after Suitsupply upper leg, Proper Cloth yoke, Proper Cloth midsection, and the Apposta chest/waist mix. The pattern is now beyond doubt: NEVER compare a field across brands on the strength of its name.
*** FINDING 3 — A FAILURE MODE THE WORKBOOK HAS NEVER RECORDED: THE HEM CATCHES THE HIP ***
The hem lands across the widest part of the hip, so the bottom button has to be left undone. That is an INTERACTION of two fields, not a fault in either one alone.
Too LONG -> the hem descends to the widest point of the hip instead of stopping above it.
Too NARROW AT THE HEM -> at that widest point, 39.5 in of circumference is not enough.
Shorten it and the hem lands higher, where less width is needed. Widen it and it clears at the same height. EITHER lever works, which is exactly what the owner said. Both is safest.
*** AND HERE IS THE PART THAT MATTERS FOR EVERY FUTURE SHIRT ORDER ***
| Shirt | Hem, circ in | vs body seat 35 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| StudioSuits — all 28 | 39.5 | +4.5 | WIDEST HEM CURRENTLY ORDERED — AND STILL CATCHING |
| Proper Cloth merino — THE SPEC | 38.8 | +3.8 | 0.7 in NARROWER than the one that catches |
| Proper Cloth black pique | 39.4 | +4.4 | as-cut; this fabric shrank |
| Proper Cloth navy pique | 38.6 | +3.6 | as-cut; shrank; least preferred |
| Proper Cloth Jan 2025 woven | 42.2 | +7.2 | the earliest and widest — 16 collar era |
THE SETTLED SHIRT SPEC CARRIES A HEM OF 38.8, WHICH IS NARROWER THAN THE ONE ALREADY FAILING. Ordering the spec verbatim at a new maker would make this problem WORSE, not better.
THE SPEC IS THEREFORE NOT COMPLETE. It is correct on chest, waist, collar, shoulder and sleeve — all confirmed twice over today — but its BOTTOM WIDTH of 19.4 flat / 38.8 circ is now contradicted by wear evidence from 28 garments. See the correction added to the MTM SPEC SHEET.
WHY THIS WAS NEVER CAUGHT: the merino shirt is the reference and it fits — but "fits" was recorded on chest and shoulder. Nobody asked about the hem. It is possible the merino ALSO catches and it was never mentioned. WORTH ASKING DIRECTLY.
*** THE TEST HE HAS ALREADY RUN WITHOUT REALISING IT ***
Front length went 25.5 (May 2025) -> 30 (Jun-Jul 2025) -> 28.5 (Dec 30, 2025). The nine shirts on order 486081 are 1.5 IN SHORTER than the nineteen before them.
SO BOTH LENGTHS ARE IN THE WARDROBE RIGHT NOW. Compare a Dec 2025 shirt (28.5) against a Jun-Jul 2025 shirt (30) and the answer arrives free: if 28.5 clears the hip, shortening alone is the fix and the hem can stay at 39.5. If 28.5 still catches, the hem must be widened regardless of length.
THAT IS THE CHEAPEST OPEN QUESTION IN THE ENTIRE PROJECT — no measuring, no maker, no order. Put on one of each.
NOTE: the 25.5 on the May 2025 order was almost certainly a different intent — that order was mostly short-sleeve and half-sleeve linen, likely untucked casual. Do not read 25.5 as a failed experiment in the same series.
*** REVISED CHANGE LIST FOR THE NEXT STUDIOSUITS ORDER ***
SHOULDER 17.5 LEAVE ALONE. Owner-excluded, proven across 28 garments.
CHEST 42.5 LEAVE ALONE. Within 0.1 of the settled spec.
WAIST 35.5 Leave. 0.5 above spec, no complaint recorded.
FRONT LENGTH SHORTEN. 28.5 is already ordered and in the wardrobe — verify it before choosing a number. If it still catches, go to 27.5-28.
BOTTOM 39.5 WIDEN. Direction is certain, size is not. 40.5-41 is the sensible first step; 42.2 exists on the Jan 2025 Proper Cloth shirt and is a known-tolerable upper reference.
DO BOTH ONE AT A TIME IF POSSIBLE. Changing length and hem together on the same order removes the ability to tell which one fixed it — the same error this workbook made with the Feb 18 Suitsupply trouser revision.
OPEN QUESTIONS CREATED BY THIS VERDICT
1. Does the merino AC2024242 also catch at the hip? Its hem is NARROWER. Never asked. If it does, the spec needs correcting at source.
2. Do the Dec 2025 shirts at 28.5 front length clear the hip? Both lengths are owned. One try-on settles it.
3. What is the actual BACK length of a StudioSuits shirt? Unknown — only the front is published. One tape measure answers it and converts the whole brand onto the Proper Cloth convention.
4. Is the Apposta "length 30" a front or a back measurement? Still unknown, and it now matters — that shirt is also a candidate for the same problem.
*** VELVET RUNS SMALL — A NEW FABRIC RULE. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "I had to have those velvet jackets taken out around the waist and the bottom. it is almost like every single velvet jacket I have is smaller than the wool jacket ... it is across brands."
*** THE CONTROLLED EXPERIMENT — HE RAN IT WITHOUT MEANING TO ***
Two StudioSuits jackets, SAME MAKER, ordered to the IDENTICAL profile, three months apart:
| Order | Date | Garment | Chest | Shoulder | Midsection | Length | Sleeve | Bicep | Outcome |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 458152 | Jun 30 2025 | Reda Black PURE WOOL | 39 | 18 | 35 | 30.75 | 23.75 | 15 | No alteration reported |
| 473320 | Sep 22 2025 | Blue VELVET Tuxedo | 39 | 18 | 35 | 30.75 | 23.75 | 15 | LET OUT at waist and bottom |
EVERY NUMBER IS IDENTICAL. Same maker removes the measuring-convention problem. Same numbers remove the spec problem. THE ONLY VARIABLE IS THE FABRIC.
This is the cleanest controlled comparison anywhere in this workbook. Nothing else in the project isolates a single variable this well.
*** HE ALREADY COMPENSATED ONCE — AND IT WAS NOT ENOUGH ***
485932 Dec 29 2025 Black VELVET 39 17 35.5 30.75 24.5 15 Midsection already +0.5 over the wool. STILL required letting out.
The Dec 2025 velvet jacket was ordered at midsection 35.5 against the wool 35.0 — a deliberate +0.5 velvet allowance. The owner reports EVERY velvet jacket still needed taking out.
THEREFORE THE REQUIRED ALLOWANCE IS GREATER THAN +0.5 IN AT THE WAIST. That is a measured lower bound, not a guess.
*** THE VESTS CORROBORATE IT INDEPENDENTLY ***
| 473325 | Sep 22 2025 | Blue VELVET Waist Coat | chest 38 | stomach 33 | length 26 |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 475824 | Oct 14 2025 | Reda Black WOOL Waist Coat | chest 38 | stomach 32.5 | length 27 |
Same chest. The VELVET was ordered 0.5 in LOOSER at the stomach than the wool that followed it three weeks later.
So a velvet allowance was ALREADY being applied at the vest in Sep-Oct 2025, before the jacket problem was articulated. The behaviour predates the diagnosis.
OPEN: no fit verdict exists for either waistcoat. If the velvet vest at 33 fits and the wool at 32.5 fits, +0.5 is the correct vest allowance and the jacket needs more. ASK.
*** IT IS GENUINELY CROSS-BRAND — THERE IS A THIRD VELVET GARMENT ***
HANGRR Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer, order HNG1733063, May 9 2026, $332.93. The Alterations tab already records it: "Arms far too tight as delivered. NOT yet altered."
Three velvet jackets. Two brands. All three too small. Every wool equivalent from the same makers fits.
*** THIS CHALLENGES THE EXISTING HANGRR DIAGNOSIS ***
The workbook currently explains the Hangrr velvet blazer through the FIT LADDER: "The wool suit that fits was ordered MODERN-SLIM. The velvet blazer that does not was SLIM. Those are different ladders."
That explanation is brand-internal and cannot account for StudioSuits, where no ladder was involved and the velvet was ordered to numbers identical to a wool jacket that fits.
BOTH CAN BE TRUE. The likely reading is that they COMPOUND: Hangrr SLIM took the ease out, and velvet took out more on top.
THE DISCRIMINATING TEST IS ALREADY IN THE WORKBOOK AND STILL UNANSWERED: the Hangrr Deep Purple Wool VEST was ordered SLIM on the SAME order as the velvet blazer. If that wool vest fits, SLIM alone is not the culprit and fabric carries the weight. The Alterations tab flags this and nobody has checked it.
*** WHY VELVET WOULD RUN SMALL — MECHANISM, HYPOTHESIS NOT FACT ***
1. PILE OCCUPIES MEASURED SPACE IT DOES NOT GIVE BACK. Velvet has a raised pile. A garment measured flat across the outside includes the pile depth on BOTH panels, but that depth is fabric, not wearing room. At roughly 1/8 in of pile per face that is about 0.5 in of circumference measured but not available — which matches the +0.5 the owner already applied and found insufficient.
2. VELVET HAS ALMOST NO RECOVERY. Wool eases, gives and can be pressed and coaxed. Velvet does not, so the same nominal measurement feels tighter in wear.
3. IT BITES WHERE THE GARMENT IS ALREADY CLOSEST TO THE BODY. That explains why the two failures look different: on the StudioSuits cut the tightest points are the waist and hem, so it failed there; on the Hangrr SLIM blazer the tightest point is the sleeve, so it failed at the bicep. Same mechanism, different location, because the cuts differ.
NONE OF THIS IS CONFIRMED. It is a mechanism that fits all three garments and predicts the right magnitude. Testable — see below.
*** ANSWERING THE OWNER QUESTION: "is it supposed to be measured the same too?" ***
MEASURED the same — YES. Same convention, same points. Nothing about velvet changes where a tape goes.
ORDERED the same — NO. The ALLOWANCE must differ. The right correction is a fabric-specific ease addition on top of an unchanged measurement, not a different measuring method.
That distinction matters when briefing a maker. Do NOT say "measure velvet differently" — say "add X inches at the waist and hem BECAUSE it is velvet."
*** THIS IS THE THIRD FABRIC-BEHAVIOUR RULE IN THE WORKBOOK ***
DENIM STRETCH — 2 to 4 percent elastane works; below 2 fails on seated thigh give; above 4 feels synthetic.
CARE CLASS — merino wool woven is dimensionally stable; Japanese cotton pique SHRANK on first wash, so as-cut specs overstate it.
VELVET / PILE — runs smaller than a flat-faced cloth at the same stated measurement. Add allowance at the closest-fitting points. <- NEW, Aug 16 2026
THE UNIFYING PRINCIPLE: a measurement is not a fit. Fabric behaviour sits between the number and the garment, and this workbook now has three separate confirmations of it.
*** WORKING RULE FOR THE NEXT VELVET ORDER — PROVISIONAL ***
WAIST / MIDSECTION add AT LEAST +0.75 in over the wool number. +0.5 was tried and proved insufficient. Consider +1.0.
BOTTOM / HEM add a similar amount. Named as a failure point alongside the waist and never separately quantified.
BICEP / SLEEVE add allowance on any SLIM-cut velvet. The Hangrr failure was at the arm.
CHEST / SHOULDER no evidence of a problem. Leave at the wool numbers.
ALTERATION NOTE velvet is harder to let out cleanly than wool — the nap shows old seam lines. Ordering it right first time is worth more here than on a wool garment.
*** THE TEST THAT CONVERTS ALL OF THIS FROM THEORY TO NUMBERS ***
Lay the Blue Velvet Tuxedo and the Reda Black Wool jacket flat, side by side, and measure the waist and hem on both. They were ORDERED to identical numbers, so any difference is what velvet actually costs.
Then measure the velvet jacket AS ALTERED. The difference between as-ordered and as-altered is the exact allowance to add on the next order.
Two garments, one tape, and the rule stops being provisional. Same method already recommended for the Hangrr sleeves on the Alterations tab.
*** TWO CONFOUNDS DISCLOSED — THEY OVERTURN MY HEM CONCLUSION. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "I WASH and DRY all the studiosuits stuff ... the suit supply stuff has never been dried, only washed in cold water. The studiosuits stuff, at least the cotton stuff, is washed in cold water and DRIED in the drier. also ... the studiosuits shirts are about the only thing i wear UNTUCKED. the other things dont catch because they are mostly TUCKED IN."
*** WITHDRAWN — "THE SETTLED SHIRT SPEC HEM IS TOO NARROW" ***
One turn ago I concluded: StudioSuits 39.5 catches, the spec is 38.8, therefore the spec hem is contradicted and must be widened. THAT CONCLUSION IS UNSAFE AND IS WITHDRAWN.
It compared a TUMBLE-DRIED COTTON shirt worn UNTUCKED against a COLD-WASH-ONLY MERINO shirt worn TUCKED. Two uncontrolled variables, either of which explains the difference on its own.
CONFOUND 1 — CARE. StudioSuits cotton is washed cold AND TUMBLE DRIED, the most aggressive care regime in the wardrobe. The merino is cold-wash-only and dimensionally stable across three shirts. 39.5 is an AS-CUT figure for a garment that has been through a dryer many times; 38.8 is as-cut AND as-worn.
CONFOUND 2 — WEAR MODE. The StudioSuits shirts are the ONLY shirts worn UNTUCKED. A tucked hem is never asked to clear the hip. The other shirts do not "pass" the test — THEY ARE NEVER GIVEN IT.
WHAT DRYING WOULD DO — ILLUSTRATIVE, NOT MEASURED:
| Field | As cut | -1% | -2% | -3% |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chest | 42.5 | 42.1 | 41.6 | 41.2 |
| Waist | 35.5 | 35.1 | 34.8 | 34.4 |
| Bottom / hem | 39.5 | 39.1 | 38.7 | 38.3 |
| Shoulder | 17.5 | 17.3 | 17.1 | 17 |
| Front length | 30 | 29.7 | 29.4 | 29.1 |
AT ONLY 2 PERCENT SHRINKAGE THE STUDIOSUITS HEM FALLS TO 38.7 — BELOW the spec hem of 38.8. At 3 percent it is 38.3.
So the shirt that catches may well be NARROWER at the hem than the spec, not wider. The entire basis of my conclusion inverts. These percentages are illustrative of a plausible range for tumble-dried cotton shirting; NOTHING HERE IS MEASURED.
*** PROPER CLOTH PUBLISHES THE ANSWER, AND IT MATCHES THE OWNER DIAGNOSIS EXACTLY ***
From their fit guidance, verified Aug 16 2026: an untucked casual shirt wants a MIDSECTION at least 0.5 in BIGGER than a slim tucked dress shirt, and untucked shirts run 1.5 to 2.5 in SHORTER in back length than tucked ones.
That is precisely the two-lever fix the owner named unprompted — shorten and/or widen.
AND HE HAS ALREADY MADE THE FIRST MOVE: front length 30 -> 28.5 on the Dec 2025 order is a 1.5 in reduction, sitting exactly at the BOTTOM of the recommended untucked range. If it still catches, the guidance says there are another 1.0 in of shortening available before the range is exhausted.
*** THE ROOT CAUSE, RESTATED ***
The StudioSuits shirts are not evidence that the shirt spec is wrong. They are TUCKED-SHIRT NUMBERS BEING WORN UNTUCKED, in a fabric that shrinks, under the harshest care in the wardrobe.
THE SPEC IS FOR TUCKED SHIRTS AND REMAINS CORRECT FOR THEM. What the workbook lacks is a SECOND, separate spec for untucked wear.
*** TWO SHIRT SPECS ARE NEEDED, NOT ONE ***
TUCKED — the settled spec, unchanged: chest 21.2 flat / collar 15.4 / yoke 17.1 / midsection 17.5 / bottom 19.4 / back length 31.0. Confirmed on the merino.
UNTUCKED — a derived variant, NOT yet validated: midsection +0.5 or more, back length 1.5 to 2.5 in shorter, hem widened to clear the hip. Add a shrinkage allowance on top for any fabric that will be tumble dried.
This distinction has never existed in the workbook. Every shirt figure recorded to date has been treated as one interchangeable set.
*** WHAT ELSE THIS DAMAGES — I HAVE TO WALK TWO MORE CLAIMS BACK ***
1. "STUDIOSUITS INDEPENDENTLY CORROBORATES THE SPEC — chest 42.5 vs 42.4." WEAKER THAN I SAID. That is a match of ORDERED numbers. As worn, the dried StudioSuits chest is smaller than 42.5 while the merino sits at 42.4. Both fit. The real finding is that the wearable chest range is WIDER ON THE TIGHT SIDE than the spec implies — which agrees with the Apposta shirt at 41.0 as-cut also being wearable.
2. "THE SHOULDER AT 17.5 IS CONFIRMED GOOD." STILL TRUE BUT MISLABELLED. 17.5 is what was ORDERED. After repeated drying the worn shoulder is lower — around 17.0-17.3 at 1-3 percent. So the proven-good shoulder is nearer 17.2 than 17.5, which lands almost exactly on the Suitsupply 17.13 and the merino 17.1 rather than extending the band upward.
CONSEQUENCE FOR APPOSTA: my advice to target 17.5 because "17.5 is proven" was built on an as-cut number. If Apposta is NOT tumble dried, ordering 17.5 there gives a genuinely wider shoulder than the StudioSuits shirts wear at. TARGET 17.2-17.3 INSTEAD — and first ask whether the Apposta shirt gets dried.
*** WHAT IS UNAFFECTED ***
THE VELVET FINDING STANDS ENTIRELY. Jackets are not washed or dried, and the controlled pair (473320 velvet vs 458152 wool) shared a maker, a profile and a care regime. Fabric was the only variable and remains so.
The order, price and date capture is unaffected — those are transaction facts.
*** THE OPEN TENSION I CANNOT RESOLVE ***
Drying SHORTENS a shirt. Yet the owner reports the StudioSuits shirts wear LONGER than the others. Those pull in opposite directions.
The front-length-versus-back-length explanation must therefore be doing MORE work than I credited: the back-hem drop has to be large enough to overcome real shrinkage and still read as longer. That makes measuring the actual BACK length of a StudioSuits shirt more valuable, not less.
ALTERNATIVE WORTH TESTING: these may barely shrink at all. If StudioSuits pre-shrinks its cotton, the whole shrinkage analysis above collapses and the hem numbers can be taken at face value. UNKNOWN — the site has a "Suit Sizing" help page that has never been read.
*** THE MEASUREMENT THAT SETTLES EVERYTHING ABOVE ***
Lay ONE StudioSuits shirt flat and measure: chest, hem, shoulder, FRONT length and BACK length.
Against the as-cut figures on this tab that gives the true shrinkage rate for tumble-dried StudioSuits cotton — one number that then corrects every StudioSuits figure in this workbook at once.
It simultaneously answers the front-vs-back length question and tells us whether the hem really is narrower than the spec. One garment, one tape, four minutes.
Use a Jun-Jul 2025 shirt (front length 30) — the most-washed and most-dried cohort, so the worst case.
New Brands — Alex Crane etc
ALEX CRANE · APPOSTA · SUNSPEL — searched Aug 15, 2026. ALL THREE CONCLUSIONS BELOW WERE OVERTURNED ON Aug 16, 2026 — see the corrections further down this tab. Read the corrections first.
*** ALEX CRANE — CONFIRMED PURCHASES, AND NOT ONE ORDER EMAIL EXISTS ***
ZERO order confirmations in the mailbox. The purchases were found in BANK ALERT emails from Empower:
| Date | Amount | Merchant | Card | Source |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Mar 3, 2026 | 336.00 | Sp Alex Crane Llc, Brooklyn NY | BoA Adv Plus ...9065 | Empower daily financial monitor, Mar 5 2026 |
| Mar 26, 2026 | 316.00 | Sp Alex Crane Llc, Brooklyn NY | BoA Adv Plus ...9065 | Empower daily financial monitor, Mar 29 2026 |
| 652.00 | TWO PURCHASES, 23 DAYS APART — amounts CORRECTED Aug 16 2026 from $36/$16 to $336/$316 | TRUE amounts, CORRECTED Aug 16 2026. Contents UNKNOWN. |
THIS VALIDATES THE CARD-STATEMENT ROUTE THE WORKBOOK HAS BEEN PROPOSING ALL DAY.
The SEARCH METHOD tab lists card statements as the way to reach brands with no email trail — Ferragamo, Prada,
Armani, Boss. Alex Crane is the PROOF OF CONCEPT: a real brand, $652 of real spend, entirely invisible to every
order-email search, surfaced only through a bank alert.
ACTION: search the Empower and Aura alert emails systematically for merchant names. That is now a PRIMARY method,
not a fallback. Every uncaptured brand should be run through it.
WHAT IS KNOWN ABOUT THE PRODUCTS — indirect only, NOT purchased-confirmed
- Shop.app (Shopify) recommendation emails list Alex Crane items he had engaged with: KNIT OLA SHIRT $158.00 and
ALTA SHORTS in NIGHT $148.00. Those are viewed/carted items, NOT confirmed purchases.
- A Nordstrom abandoned-bag email (Jul 7, 2025) shows ALEX CRANE SUN LINEN T-SHIRT, SIZE MEDIUM, $68.
SIZE MEDIUM IS NOTEWORTHY — by Jul 2025 his alpha size was already S. Either Alex Crane runs small, or this was
a mis-sized bag item, or it was never bought. DO NOT record M as his Alex Crane size on this evidence.
- Alex Crane is a LINEN brand (Brooklyn, NY). Products seen: Sun Linen T-Shirt, Long Sleeve Sun Tee, Knit Ola
Shirt, Alta Shorts, Kite Jacket (linen suiting). Fits the documented summer-linen direction exactly.
- $336 and $316 are both multi-item sized against $68-158 unit prices. Probably 2-3 pieces each.
STILL NEEDED ON ALEX CRANE: itemisation. Routes — (1) alexcrane.co account order history, (2) the Yahoo address,
(3) Shop.app order history, since Shop Cash emails indicate he uses Shop Pay.
*** SUPERSEDED Aug 16, 2026 — SUNSPEL IS A CONFIRMED CUSTOMER. Order US-73202, 6 Jul 2025, $203, fulfilled. The "no purchase" reasoning below is retained only to show why it failed. ***
Sunspel emails constantly — 10+ campaigns Jul-Aug 2026 alone, most recent Aug 16, 2026 (yesterday).
EVERY SINGLE ONE carries: "10% off your FIRST ORDER with code WELCOME10 at checkout."
A brand does not offer a first-order discount to an existing customer. That is a strong negative signal.
SUPERSEDED — CONCLUSION: he is on the Sunspel list but has almost certainly NEVER ORDERED. Recorded as PROSPECT, not owner. [WRONG. He ordered 6 Jul 2025 and simply never used the WELCOME10 code.]
CAVEAT: not proof. Automated welcome-flow footers sometimes persist. But combined with zero order emails and zero
bank alerts naming Sunspel, the reading is sound.
WORTH KNOWING — Sunspel is dimensionally relevant: Supima cotton jersey tees and pique polos, and the Riviera Polo
is the Casino Royale Bond polo. Their RELAXED FIT tee is explicitly cut loose, which conflicts with his extra-slim
block. If he ever orders, size and fit model need care. WELCOME10 is live and unused.
*** SUPERSEDED Aug 16, 2026 — APPOSTA HAS A CONFIRMED ORDER. 1751558736647, 3 Jul 2025, $211.60, shipped. The "nothing found" text below is retained only to show why the search missed it. ***
No order emails, no marketing, no bank-alert hits in this mailbox. Apposta is an Italian MTM shirt maker, which
would fit the shirt-block work exactly — but there is no evidence of any relationship here.
THIS IS NOT A CONCLUSION THAT HE HAS NEVER USED THEM. Per the SEARCH METHOD tab, two channels remain unsearched:
the myers_jesse@yahoo.com address, and Apposta may simply not email. CHECK: apposta.com account, and the Yahoo inbox.
If he HAS ordered from Apposta, their order records would carry a full MTM shirt spec — high value for the spec sheet.
*** THREE CORRECTIONS — Aug 16, 2026. ALL THREE CONCLUSIONS ON THIS TAB WERE WRONG. ***
1. ALEX CRANE AMOUNTS — TRANSCRIPTION ERROR OF $600, NOW FIXED.
The table above read $36.00 and $16.00, totalling $52. The Empower alerts actually read -$336.00 (03/03) and -$316.00 (03/26), totalling $652.
The leading "3" was dropped from BOTH figures in the original transcription. The PROSE on this tab was right ($652, $336, $316); the TABLE was wrong. The two disagreed with each other for a full session and nobody caught it.
Verified verbatim from: Empower "Your daily financial monitor", Mar 5 2026 ("Purchase 0303 Sp Alex Crane Llc Brooklyn Ny ... -$336.00") and Mar 29 2026 ("Purchase 0326 Sp Alex Crane Llc Brooklyn Ny ... -$316.00").
LESSON: when a tab states a figure twice, reconcile the two before trusting either. This one was a factor of ten.
2. APPOSTA — "NOTHING FOUND" IS OVERTURNED. THERE IS A CONFIRMED ORDER.
The tab above says "APPOSTA — NOTHING FOUND ... no order emails, no marketing, no bank-alert hits." That is wrong on both counts. Apposta has emailed heavily since Mar 2025 and there is a completed purchase.
CONFIRMED ORDER — Jul 3, 2025:
Jul 3, 2025 01:21 support@apposta.com "You haven't completed your shirt order yet" (abandoned-cart prompt)
Jul 3, 2025 16:06 support@apposta.com "Confirmation of order placed" — body reads: "We have successfully received payment for the order you placed on 03/07/2025."
Jul 4, 2025 05:47 support@apposta.com "Your order is entering production"
Jul 25, 2025 support@apposta.com "Get 10% Off Your NEXT Shirt Order" — post-purchase, confirming an existing customer
Jul 29 + Aug 5 2025 Trustpilot "your recent purchase from Apposta" / "Thanks again for choosing Apposta"
WHAT THE EMAILS DO NOT CARRY: no order number, no item, no fabric, no collar, no measurements, no price, no shipping notice. The confirmation is a bare four-line acknowledgement.
SO THE ORDER IS PROVEN BUT UNITEMISED. Apposta is an Italian MTM shirtmaker (Apposta Ltd, 30 Moorgate, London; since Nov 2025 part of Camiceria Taccaliti). Their account records would carry a FULL MTM SHIRT SPEC — the single highest-value uncaptured fit record in the project.
NEXT ACTION: log in to apposta.com and pull the order. Failing that, the Empower monitor for 07/03-07/06 2025 will give the amount.
3. SUNSPEL — "ALMOST CERTAINLY NEVER ORDERED" IS OVERTURNED. HE IS A CUSTOMER.
SUPERSEDED — The tab above concludes: "he is on the Sunspel list but has almost certainly NEVER ORDERED. Recorded as PROSPECT, not owner." The reasoning was that every campaign carries a WELCOME10 first-order discount. [WRONG. He ordered 6 Jul 2025 and simply never used the WELCOME10 code.]
DISPROVED BY: noreply@email.sunspel.com, Jul 6, 2026 — subject "One Year Since Your Sunspel Purchase", body: "you made your first Sunspel purchase, and we're delighted to mark this moment with you."
An anniversary email naming a FIRST PURCHASE is direct evidence of a completed order. Implied purchase date: approximately JULY 2025.
The tab's own caveat — "not proof. Automated welcome-flow footers sometimes persist" — was the correct read, and the confident conclusion drawn over the top of it was not.
LESSON, AND IT IS THE SAME ONE AS THE EMAIL ARCHIVE GENERALLY: absence of an order email is NOT evidence of no purchase. A marketing footer is not evidence either. Only the account page or the card statement settles it.
*** THE TIMING COINCIDENCE WORTH CHECKING ***
Apposta order: Jul 3, 2025. Sunspel first purchase: approximately Jul 6, 2025 (one year before the Jul 6, 2026 anniversary email). Three days apart.
Early July 2025 looks like a concentrated shirt-buying burst. The Proper Cloth BLACK LAPEL shirt pattern is also dated Jul 1, 2025. Three shirt sources inside one week.
ACTION: pull the Empower daily financial monitors for 07/01/2025 through 07/10/2025 in full. That single window should yield the Apposta amount, the Sunspel amount, and anything else bought in that burst.
STATUS AFTER THIS SESSION:
ALEX CRANE — 2 purchases, $652 total, CONFIRMED. Contents still unknown. Needs alexcrane.co account history.
APPOSTA — 1 order, Jul 3 2025, CONFIRMED. Amount and full MTM spec unknown. Needs apposta.com account.
SUNSPEL — at least 1 purchase, approx Jul 2025, CONFIRMED. Amount, items and size unknown. Needs sunspel.com account.
All three were previously recorded as zero-order or unknown. None of them are.
*** APPOSTA ORDER CAPTURED IN FULL — Aug 16, 2026. Source: apposta.com order-status page (owner-supplied PDF). ***
ORDER NUMBER 1751558736647 (internal orderId=74386 in the page URL)
ORDER DATE 03/07/2025 = 3 JULY 2025 — DD/MM/YYYY. See date-format note below.
EST. SHIP DATE 18/07/2025 = 18 July 2025. 15 days production.
STATUS Shipped
ORDER TOTAL $211.60
PAYMENT Credit card
SHIP TO Jesse Myers, 7836 NW 131st St, Oklahoma City OK, United States
SELLER Apposta, a brand of Camiceria Giovanni Taccaliti srl (Italy). Apposta Ltd, 30 Moorgate, London.
LINE ITEMS
Shirt COTTON-BAMBOO POPLIN qty 1 $214.00
Coordinated handkerchief EUR 10 <- priced in EUROS while the rest of the order is in USD
*** THE TOTAL DOES NOT RECONCILE — $19.00 UNEXPLAINED ***
Shirt list $214.00, less the 10% first-order discount he was sent on May 11 2025 ("Jesse 10% Discount for Your First Custom-Made Shirt") = $192.60.
Order total $211.60 minus $192.60 leaves a residual of EXACTLY $19.00.
That residual is NOT the handkerchief on its own: EUR 10 converts to roughly $10.80-$11.70 at 2025 rates. Nor does a 10%-off-the-whole-basket reading work — it would require a second item of $21.11.
MOST LIKELY: handkerchief (~$11) plus shipping (~$8), or a flat shipping charge with the handkerchief comped. NOT ESTABLISHED. Do not record a shipping figure until the Empower monitor for 03/07/2025-06/07/2025 is read, which will give the actual amount charged to the card.
NOTE: it is also unconfirmed whether the 10% discount was applied at all. The $192.60 fit is clean enough to be suggestive but it is reverse-engineered, not shown on the page.
*** DATE FORMAT CONFIRMED — DD/MM/YYYY ***
The order page reads "Order Date: 03/07/2025" and the confirmation email reads "the order you placed on 03/07/2025". The email itself is TIMESTAMPED 3 July 2025.
So 03/07/2025 is 3 JULY, not 7 March. Apposta is an Italian/UK company using European date order. Any other Apposta date in this workbook must be read the same way.
*** STILL MISSING — THE MTM SPEC, WHICH IS THE WHOLE POINT ***
The line item carries a "View all details" link that is COLLAPSED on the captured page. That is where the made-to-measure shirt specification lives — collar style, cuff, fit, and the measurement set.
Apposta is a made-to-measure Italian shirtmaker. Its stored measurement profile is the highest-value uncaptured fit record in this project and sits directly alongside the Proper Cloth / Suitsupply shirt-block work done this session.
NEXT ACTION: expand "View all details" on order 1751558736647 and capture the spec. Second action: "EDIT & REORDER" on that page will likely expose the full stored profile in an editable form, which is the richer capture.
FABRIC NOTE — WITHDRAWN Aug 16, 2026. The claim that "Cotton-Bamboo Poplin is unlike anything else in the shirt inventory" and that "a bamboo blend is a first" was WRONG. Sartoro supplied THREE Ultrasoft Bamboo shirts plus bamboo trousers and jackets. See the correction block below.
BRAND STATUS UPDATED: APPOSTA — 1 order, CONFIRMED, ITEMISED, $211.60, 1 shirt + 1 handkerchief, shipped Jul 2025. Was "NOTHING FOUND" at the start of this session.
NOT YET ADDED to the Orders tab or Garment Inventory — hold until the MTM spec and the true shipping split are captured, then add as one order and one garment.
*** ACTION REQUIRED — DO NOT REORDER FROM APPOSTA UNTIL THE SIZING IS UPDATED. Owner instruction, Aug 16, 2026. ***
WHY THIS MATTERS MORE THAN IT LOOKS:
The Apposta order was placed 3 JULY 2025. Whatever measurements Apposta holds were entered on or before that date — which puts them on the OLD, SUPERSEDED shirt block, before every correction this project has since made.
Timeline that brackets it: the Black Lapel SHIRT pattern is dated 1 JULY 2025 and carries an 18.00 in shoulder — the spec this workbook has condemned as too wide. The Apposta order was placed TWO DAYS LATER.
The Suitsupply Plano fitting (on or before 7 Nov 2025), the Proper Cloth Mar 2026 shirt, the shoulder correction and the corrected ease band ALL POSTDATE the Apposta profile. None of them are reflected in it.
*** CONFIRMED BY OWNER Aug 16, 2026 — THE APPOSTA SHIRT IS AN 18 IN SHOULDER. *** This was written as a dated inference from the Jul 1 2025 Black Lapel pattern and is now owner-confirmed. The Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt WAS cut to the old wide-shoulder spec. Apposta holds an 18 in shoulder on file and will rebuild to it unless the profile is corrected first.
WHAT TO GIVE APPOSTA — current targets as of Aug 16, 2026. All FLAT garment inches from Proper Cloth AC2024242, the shirt confirmed to fit.
Collar around 15.4 (Ledbury and Charles Tyrwhitt both cut 15; use 15 to 15.4)
Yoke / shoulder 17.1 flat, seam to seam <- THE CRITICAL ONE. NOT 18.0. See note below.
Chest width 21.2 flat = 42.4 around preferred band 21.2 to 21.7 flat (4.4 to 5.4 in ease over a 38 in body chest)
Midsection width 17.5 flat = 35.0 around
Bottom width 19.4 flat = 38.8 around
Back length 31.0
Sleeve length 34.3 centre-back-of-collar to cuff | 25.5 shoulder-seam to cuff (DERIVED this session)
Sleeve width 7.5 flat | Cuff around 8.4
Body chest 38 in · body bicep 12 in — give these only if Apposta asks for BODY rather than GARMENT figures.
THE SHOULDER IS THE ONE TO GET RIGHT. Every shirt cut before Nov 2025 in this workbook runs an 18.00-18.31 in shoulder and every one of them is too wide. The corrected shirt target is roughly 17.8 in or NARROWER, and the Proper Cloth shirt that actually fits reads 17.1 flat seam-to-seam.
AND THE TRAP THAT CAUGHT US THREE TIMES TODAY — MEASURING POINTS.
APPOSTA FIELD DEFINITIONS ARE COMPLETELY UNREAD. Do NOT type Proper Cloth numbers into Apposta fields on the assumption that same-sounding names mean the same thing.
This session alone: Suitsupply "upper leg width" turned out to be 6 in BELOW the crotch, not at it; Proper Cloth "yoke width" turned out to BE shoulder width after the workbook had said it was not; and Proper Cloth publishes two different definitions of "midsection" on two different pages.
BEFORE ENTERING ANYTHING AT APPOSTA: (1) find out whether their fields want BODY or GARMENT figures, (2) find out whether widths are FLAT or CIRCUMFERENCE, (3) read the definition of the shoulder/yoke field specifically. Apposta publishes a "How to Get Your Shirt Measurements" guide — they emailed it on 6 Apr 2025 and it is still in the mailbox.
CHEAPEST ROUTE: Apposta already holds a profile and the order page offers "EDIT & REORDER". Open that, read the stored values in Apposta's own convention, and correct them field by field against the targets above rather than entering a fresh set blind. That sidesteps the whole convention problem — you are editing numbers that are already in their language.
ALSO UNKNOWN AND WORTH SETTLING FIRST: whether the July 2025 Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt actually fits. No wear or fit note exists for it anywhere in this workbook. If it is still owned, measuring it flat would show exactly what Apposta builds to and convert this from guesswork into a correction.
*** CORRECTION — BAMBOO IS NOT NEW. Owner correction, Aug 16, 2026. ***
I wrote that the Apposta Cotton-Bamboo Poplin was the first bamboo blend in the wardrobe. That is false, and this workbook already said so.
This tab now carries the SECOND correction of the same error: the "BAMBOO IS UNDER-LABELLED IN THIS WORKBOOK" block on the Garment Inventory tab is dated Aug 13, 2026 and was itself prompted by the owner asking "do I not have blue bamboo Sartoro pants?". The claim above was made three days later without checking it.
THE FULL BAMBOO HOLDING — 8 garments across 2 brands
SHIRTS — all three are Sartoro "ULTRASOFT BAMBOO", the same fabric in three colours:
White Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt order 6751 Aug 2025 price cut off, not captured
Deep Blue Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt order 6949 Sep 2025 $165.00
Black Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt order 7241 Dec 2025 $123.75 (list $165, CYBER MONDAY bundle -25%)
TROUSERS:
Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Pants order 6949 $215 fabric Sartoro 255172 (inferred)
Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants order 7625 $215 fabric Sartoro 255147
JACKETS:
Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (1st) order 6964 $550 fabric 255172
Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (2nd) order 7625 $550 fabric 255172 — a reorder with different specs
APPOSTA:
Shirt Cotton-Bamboo Poplin order 1751558736647 Jul 2025 $214.00
*** WHAT THIS ACTUALLY MEANS — IT STRENGTHENS THE APPOSTA CASE RATHER THAN WEAKENING IT ***
The three Sartoro bamboo shirts are White, Deep Blue and Black — the SAME fabric bought across its colour range. That is the documented buying pattern in this workbook: fabric is the unit of decision, not colour, independently confirmed at Naked & Famous and at Ledbury. Bamboo shirting is now a THIRD instance of it.
So the Apposta Cotton-Bamboo Poplin was not an experiment. It sits inside an established, repeated fabric preference spanning shirts, trousers and jackets, and it was ordered in Jul 2025 — between the White (Aug 2025) and Deep Blue (Sep 2025) Sartoro bamboo shirts. Concurrent, not exploratory.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE REORDER DECISION: bamboo is a proven preference, so an Apposta reorder in the same cloth is well supported on FABRIC. The open question is purely SIZING — see the action note above. Those are separable, and only one of them is blocked.
COMPARISON WORTH MAKING WHEN THE SPEC IS CAPTURED: Sartoro "Ultrasoft Bamboo" vs Apposta "Cotton-Bamboo Poplin" are not necessarily the same cloth — poplin is a weave, ultrasoft is a marketing name, and the blend ratios are unrecorded for both. Do not treat them as interchangeable without checking composition.
PROCESS NOTE FOR FUTURE SESSIONS: before asserting that anything is a FIRST in this wardrobe, grep the workbook for the term. This is the second bamboo miss and the fourth correction of the day. The workbook is now large enough that memory of it is not reliable — search it.
*** APPOSTA SHOULDER CONFIRMED AT 18 IN — owner, Aug 16, 2026. Inference closed. ***
The Apposta Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt (order 1751558736647, 3 Jul 2025) carries an 18 IN SHOULDER. Confirmed by the owner, not derived.
THE JULY 2025 COHORT IS NOW FOUR GARMENTS WIDE, AND EVERY ONE OF THEM IS AT 18:
Jul 1, 2025 Black Lapel SHIRT pattern 18.00 in — DO NOT ORDER flag already standing
Jul 3, 2025 APPOSTA Cotton-Bamboo Poplin 18 in — CONFIRMED TODAY
~Mar 2025 Suitsupply SHIRT, as built 18.31 in — owner: take in AT LEAST 0.5 in
May 7, 2025 Black Lapel OVERCOAT pattern 18.00 in — never rebuilt
Plus Sartoro old generation at 18 in across 9 jackets and their pants and vests.
This is no longer a scatter of separate problems. It is ONE SPEC, applied by four different makers across 2025, and it is the spec that stopped fitting.
HOW MUCH TO TAKE OUT — AND WHY I WILL NOT GIVE A SINGLE NUMBER YET
Against Proper Cloth AC2024242 (the shirt confirmed to fit, yoke 17.1 flat seam-to-seam) the reduction would be -0.9 in.
Against the owner-corrected Suitsupply shirt target (17.81 or narrower, from an 18.31 as-built) the reduction would be about -0.2 in.
THE GAP BETWEEN THOSE TWO IS ENTIRELY A MEASURING-POINT QUESTION. Apposta's shoulder definition is UNREAD. If Apposta measures over the curve of the shoulder it will read larger than Proper Cloth's flat chord for the very same garment, and -0.9 would overcorrect.
*** THE CLEAN WAY TO SETTLE IT — HE OWNS BOTH SHIRTS ***
Lay the APPOSTA Cotton-Bamboo Poplin and the PROPER CLOTH merino AC2024242 flat, side by side, and measure BOTH the same way: shoulder seam to shoulder seam, straight across the back, flat chord.
That is garment-to-garment by one method. It removes Apposta's convention, Proper Cloth's convention and the whole ease question in a single measurement, and it gives the exact number to take out — not a range.
It also answers the other open question for free: whether the Apposta shirt is actually wearable or belongs with the too-big cohort.
DO THIS BEFORE TOUCHING THE APPOSTA PROFILE. Editing their stored 18 in down by a guessed amount risks landing on the wrong side of a target that is only 0.9 in wide in total.
*** WEAR VERDICT — APPOSTA IS WEARABLE. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: the Apposta shirt is WEARABLE, and NOT as big as the Suitsupply shirts.
This is the first wear/fit record of any kind for the Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt. Previously nothing was recorded.
THE SHOULDER WEARABILITY LADDER — now four points with verdicts attached
Proper Cloth merino AC2024242 17.1 flat, seam to seam PREFERRED — the confirmed-fitting reference
APPOSTA Cotton-Bamboo Poplin 18 (convention unread) WEARABLE — new, Aug 16 2026
Black Lapel shirt pattern 18.00 point to point DO NOT ORDER — never worn, verdict is on paper only
Suitsupply shirt, as built 18.31 TOO FULL — owner wants at least 0.5 in out
NOTE THE DISTINCTION THAT MATTERS: WEARABLE IS NOT PREFERRED. Proper Cloth 17.1 remains the target. Apposta clears the bar; it does not set it.
*** THIS RE-OPENS THE BLACK LAPEL SHIRT VERDICT. THIRD TIME. ***
Black Lapel reads 18.00 and is flagged DO NOT ORDER. Apposta reads 18 and is WORN AND WEARABLE. On the face of it those two cannot both be right.
History of this verdict in the workbook: (1) condemned by comparison against the Suitsupply JACKET figure of 17.13 — a cross-garment-class comparison, later admitted to be imperfect reasoning; (2) CHALLENGED when the Suitsupply SHIRT profile turned up at 18.31, making 18.00 look defensible; (3) challenge WITHDRAWN after the try-on showed 18.31 was too wide, so the verdict was reaffirmed at "about 17.8 or narrower".
NOW (4): a garment at 18 is confirmed wearable. The reaffirmed 17.8 ceiling does not survive that cleanly.
THE HONEST RESOLUTION IS THAT WE STILL CANNOT TELL, BECAUSE THE CONVENTIONS ARE NOT KNOWN. Apposta's shoulder definition is unread and Black Lapel's 18.00 is a derived PATTERN value, not a measured garment. Two garments can both read "18" and be materially different widths.
DO NOT lift the Black Lapel DO NOT ORDER flag on this evidence. But DO record that the case against it is now weaker than it was this morning, and that it rests on a number-to-number comparison across three unverified conventions.
*** WHAT THIS CHANGES FOR THE REORDER — THE DANGER HAS FLIPPED ***
Before this wear note, the working assumption was that Apposta was built to a failed spec and needed a large correction, potentially -0.9 in down to the Proper Cloth 17.1.
That is now the WRONG risk to optimise against. The shirt works. An aggressive correction on a wearable garment is more likely to ruin the next one than a conservative one is to repeat a mistake.
REVISED GUIDANCE: correct the Apposta shoulder MODESTLY or not at all on the first reorder. A reduction of roughly 0.25 to 0.5 in moves it toward the Proper Cloth preference without leaving the wearable band. Do NOT take out 0.9.
AND SPEND THE ADJUSTMENT BUDGET ELSEWHERE. The owner-recorded complaints against the Suitsupply shirt were shoulder, chest, waist and SLEEVE LENGTH — with sleeve called the LARGEST single error (1 to 1.5 in too long). No sleeve figure has ever been captured for Apposta. That is the more likely source of a bad next shirt than the shoulder is.
THE MEASUREMENT IS STILL WORTH TAKING, BUT ITS PURPOSE HAS CHANGED.
It is no longer needed to decide whether Apposta failed. It is needed to convert Apposta's "18" into the workbook's flat seam-to-seam convention, so that a WEARABLE reference point can finally be placed on the same scale as the PREFERRED one.
Lay the Apposta shirt and the Proper Cloth AC2024242 flat together and measure both shoulder-seam to shoulder-seam, straight across. If Apposta measures 17.1-17.4 flat, its "18" is simply a different convention and there is nothing to correct at all. If it measures near 18.0 flat, the wearable band is genuinely wider than this workbook has assumed and several verdicts need revisiting.
EITHER RESULT IS VALUABLE. That single measurement is now the highest-yield action in the shirt programme.
*** APPOSTA MEASUREMENT PROFILE CAPTURED IN FULL — Aug 16, 2026. THE GAP IS CLOSED. ***
Source: apposta.com/sp/measurement.3sp?return=list&measureId=1 — owner-supplied PDF. Profile name "goodat155". Unit: INCHES. measureId=1, so this is the first/only profile on the account.
PAGE TITLE: "Modify your measurements profile FROM A SHIRT". BASIS IS GARMENT, NOT BODY. Apposta built this by having him measure an existing shirt.
| Apposta field | Value (in) | Reading | Cross-check |
|---|---|---|---|
| neck | 15.5 | circumference | Proper Cloth collar 15.4. Charles Tyrwhitt and Ledbury both cut 15. Consistent. |
| chest | 20.5 | FLAT — x2 = 41.0 around | Proper Cloth chest 21.2 flat / 42.4 around. Apposta is 1.4 in TIGHTER in circumference. |
| waist | 35.5 | CIRCUMFERENCE | Proper Cloth midsection 17.5 flat = 35.0 around. NEAR-IDENTICAL. 35.5 cannot be flat — that would imply a 71 in waist. |
| shoulders | 18 | direct across | Proper Cloth yoke 17.1. Apposta reads 0.9 in wider. |
| left sleeve | 25 | direct | |
| right sleeve | 25 | direct | No asymmetry. Proper Cloth 34.3 is measured centre-back-to-cuff and is NOT comparable; the derived shoulder-to-cuff figure of 25.5 IS. Apposta 25 sits 0.5 in shorter. |
| Left cuff | 9 | circumference | |
| Right cuff | 9 | circumference | Proper Cloth cuff 8.4. Black Lapel wrist 9.75. |
| length | 30 | direct | Proper Cloth back length 31.0. |
*** THE CONVENTION IS MIXED WITHIN ONE FORM — CHEST IS FLAT, WAIST IS CIRCUMFERENCE ***
chest 20.5 can only be a FLAT half-measure (x2 = 41.0 around, sane). waist 35.5 can only be a CIRCUMFERENCE (35.5 flat would mean a 71 in waist, absurd).
So Apposta mixes conventions field by field, exactly as Suitsupply and Proper Cloth do. Third brand, same trap. The "How to take the measurement" link sits beside EVERY field on that page and would settle each one definitively — it has not been read.
*** WHERE THE 18 CAME FROM — IT IS ALMOST CERTAINLY A COPY OF THE BLACK LAPEL SHIRT PATTERN ***
Black Lapel shirt pattern is dated 1 Jul 2025. The Apposta order was placed 3 Jul 2025 — two days later. The profiles line up field for field:
| Field | Apposta | Black Lapel | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|
| shoulders | 18 | 18 | IDENTICAL |
| sleeve left / right | 25 / 25 | 25 / 25 | IDENTICAL |
| length | 30 | 30 | IDENTICAL |
| chest | 20.5 flat = 41.0 | 41.25 | 0.25 apart — Black Lapel figure HALVED and rounded |
| waist / stomach | 35.5 | 36.5 | 1.0 apart |
| cuff / wrist | 9 | 9.75 | 0.75 apart |
| neck | 15.5 | 14.75 | 0.75 apart — the one clear divergence |
Three fields identical to the digit, chest matching once halved, and the whole set rounded to halves and whole numbers. This reads as a TRANSCRIPTION of the Black Lapel pattern into the Apposta form, not an independent measuring session.
THAT IS THE EXPLANATION FOR THE 18. It was never measured for Apposta. It was carried across from a pattern this workbook has flagged DO NOT ORDER.
STATUS: STRONG INFERENCE from the date proximity and the field match. NOT owner-confirmed. Ask him whether he copied the Black Lapel numbers across in July 2025.
*** THE REAL SURPRISE — THE CHEST, NOT THE SHOULDER ***
Apposta chest 41.0 around, over a 38 in body chest = +3.0 in of ease. Place that on the workbook ease ladder:
| Suitsupply shirt | 44.5 | +6.5 | TOO FULL |
|---|---|---|---|
| Black / White pique | 43.4 | +5.4 | AS-CUT ONLY — SHRANK |
| Merino AC2024242 | 42.4 | +4.4 | FITS |
| Navy pique | 41.4 | +3.4 | LESS PREFERRED — the tight end |
| APPOSTA | 41 | +3.0 | WEARABLE per the owner |
CORRECTED Aug 16, 2026 — "Apposta is the tightest shirt in the inventory" was overstated. It is the tightest AS-CUT at 41.0. But the navy pique (41.4 as-cut) SHRANK on first wash and is very likely tighter as worn. Apposta is cotton-bamboo poplin, a washable fabric, so it may have shrunk too — its 41.0 is also an AS-CUT figure. Nothing here is measured in the same state. The honest statement is that Apposta was CUT tighter than any Proper Cloth shirt.
And yet he reports it as wearable. Two possible readings, both worth testing: (a) cotton-bamboo poplin drapes or gives enough to carry an ease level that fails in a merino woven; (b) the tight-end boundary is lower than the navy pique suggested and the navy pique was disliked for a reason other than chest girth — note the workbook already warns that the Charles Tyrwhitt complaint was RANGE OF MOTION, not chest girth.
EITHER WAY THIS REVISES THE EASE BAND. The recorded band is 4.4 to 5.4 in. A garment at +3.0 is confirmed wearable, so the floor is lower than recorded — for this fabric at least.
*** REVISED REORDER GUIDANCE — THE SHOULDER IS NO LONGER THE FIRST PROBLEM ***
1. SHOULDER 18 -> reduce to about 17.2-17.5. The 0.9 gap to Proper Cloth 17.1 is now credible rather than convention noise, because the 18 is traceable to a Black Lapel pattern rather than to an Apposta measurement. Still do not take the full 0.9 in one step on a garment he wears.
2. CHEST 20.5 -> RAISE to about 21.2 flat (42.4 around) to match the merino that fits, or 21.7 (43.4) to match the preferred pique. This is the LARGEST fit gap in the profile and it points the OPPOSITE WAY to everything else. Do not shrink this shirt.
3. SLEEVE 25 -> the owner-recorded complaint against the Suitsupply shirt was that sleeves ran 1 to 1.5 in TOO LONG. Apposta 25 is already 0.5 in shorter than the derived Proper Cloth shoulder-to-cuff of 25.5. LEAVE IT ALONE. This was the field I flagged as the likely hidden problem; it is not.
4. WAIST 35.5 and NECK 15.5 -> both already sit on the Proper Cloth figures. No change.
5. LENGTH 30 vs Proper Cloth back length 31.0 -> 1 in shorter. Only relevant if it untucks; no complaint recorded.
NEXT ACTION, AND IT IS CHEAP: open the "How to take the measurement" link on the CHEST and SHOULDERS fields. Those two carry the whole reorder decision and both definitions are one click away on a page already open.
*** CORRECTION — I USED A SUPERSEDED PREFERENCE ORDER TODAY. Owner caught it, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Everywhere in today's Apposta analysis I labelled the BLACK/WHITE PIQUE at 43.4 circ as "PREFERRED" and described a 4.4-5.4 in ease BAND. Both are superseded.
THE SETTLED POSITION, from the MTM SPEC SHEET dated Aug 15, 2026:
"SUPERSEDED Aug 15, 2026 — owner prefers the MERINO WOVEN. Single spec below. DO NOT USE A BAND."
"FINAL — THE SPEC IS THE MERINO WOVEN AC2024242. SETTLED Aug 15, 2026."
Owner: "actually prefer the merino woven ... let's just use the merino woven as the spec."
The pique 21.70 is AS-CUT ONLY. That garment SHRANK on first wash, so the figure does not describe it as worn.
HOW THE ERROR HAPPENED — AND IT WAS NOT A STALE FILE
The Proper Cloth Fit Ladder tab still carried the OLD ease ladder labelling the black pique "PREFERRED". The MTM SPEC SHEET superseded it on Aug 15 but the Fit Ladder rows were never updated. I read the Fit Ladder, took the stale label, and did not reconcile it against the spec sheet — even though the SAME TAB, fifty rows lower, already says "THE PIQUES ARE NOT THE SPEC".
The stale rows on the Fit Ladder have now been rewritten so the contradiction cannot be picked up again.
WHAT ACTUALLY CHANGES IN THE APPOSTA ANALYSIS — LESS THAN IT LOOKS, AND IT POINTS THE SAME WAY
The reorder target was already the merino: raise Apposta chest from 20.5 flat to about 21.2 flat (42.4 circ). That was right and is now the SINGLE spec rather than the bottom of a band.
WHAT IS WITHDRAWN: the suggestion to consider 21.7 "to match the preferred pique". There is no preferred pique. 21.7 is an as-cut number from a garment that shrank. DO NOT order to it.
GUARDRAILS from the spec sheet, which do survive: do not go below 21.0 flat, do not go above 22.0 flat.
AND A SECOND-ORDER POINT I MISSED ENTIRELY — SHRINKAGE APPLIES TO APPOSTA TOO
The spec sheet establishes the principle: an order confirmation records a garment AS CUT, and on a washable fabric that is not what you wear.
Apposta Cotton-Bamboo Poplin is a washable cotton blend. Its 20.5 flat / 41.0 circ is an AS-CUT figure from the profile, not a measured garment. If it shrank like the piques did, the shirt on the body is tighter than 41.0 — and the owner still reports it as wearable.
THAT MAKES THE "WEARABLE" DATA POINT MORE INTERESTING, NOT LESS: it may sit meaningfully below 41.0 as worn.
IT ALSO MEANS THE CORRECTION SHOULD BE LARGER, NOT SMALLER. If Apposta shrinks, ordering 21.2 flat lands under 21.2 as worn. Ask Apposta whether their quoted measurements are pre- or post-shrink before setting the chest — step 1 of the spec sheet's own washable-fabric procedure.
THE MEASUREMENT THAT SETTLES BOTH QUESTIONS AT ONCE: lay the Apposta shirt flat and measure chest and shoulder. That converts it from as-cut to as-worn AND onto the workbook's convention. It is the same single action already flagged, and it is now the blocker on the chest as well as the shoulder.
*** SUNSPEL ORDER CAPTURED IN FULL — Aug 16, 2026. Source: us.sunspel.com account order page. ***
ORDER US-73202 · 06 JULY 2025 · Paid / Fulfilled · $203.00 · Visa via Stripe · Standard UPS, $0 shipping
| Item | SKU | Size | Price |
|---|---|---|---|
| Classic Jersey Polo Shirt | MPOL1052-BKAA-M | M | 130 |
| Cotton Linen T-shirt | MTSH0192-BRFQ-M | M | 73 |
Subtotal 203
Discount 0
Tax 0
Shipping 0
TOTAL 203
THE INFERRED DATE WAS EXACTLY RIGHT. Earlier today the purchase was placed at "approximately July 2025, implied ~Jul 6" from the anniversary email dated Jul 6, 2026. The order is dated 06 July 2025. Inference confirmed to the day.
*** WHY THE OLD "NEVER ORDERED" REASONING FAILED — NOW PROVEN, NOT GUESSED ***
The workbook concluded he had never ordered because every Sunspel campaign carries a WELCOME10 first-order discount, and it reasoned that a customer would not keep receiving one.
DISCOUNT ON THIS ORDER: $0.00. He ordered and simply DID NOT USE the welcome code. The premise was sound and the conclusion was still wrong.
The account page still shows "Get 10% off your first order" today, a year after a fulfilled order. Sunspel's marketing state and its order state are not linked. RULE: a first-order discount offer is not evidence of anything.
*** SIZE M — AND THE DATE IS THE PROBLEM ***
BOTH ITEMS ARE SIZE M. And 06 July 2025 is the SAME DAY as Banana Republic Factory order 1MMRW2J.
That BR order: SEVEN linen pieces, EVERY ONE SIZE M, bought for himself, FOUND TOO BIG, GIVEN AWAY to his father-in-law. It is recorded on the Banana Republic tab as size evidence.
So on one day in July 2025 he bought NINE size-M garments across two brands, and the seven we know about did not fit.
THE SUNSPEL PIECES ARE THEREFORE PRIME SUSPECTS FOR THE SAME OUTCOME — but nothing is recorded either way. DO NOT ASSUME. The BR pieces were RELAXED/STANDARD linen; a Sunspel Classic Jersey Polo is a different cut in a different fabric and may well fit at M.
RECIPIENT AND OWNERSHIP STATUS — BOTH UNKNOWN, DO NOT FILL IN BY INFERENCE
The Banana Republic tab established the two-column rule after exactly this error: a size-M garment bought FOR THE WIFE is not size evidence, while a size-M garment bought for himself and given away IS. The two look identical in a size column and mean opposite things.
RECIPIENT = UNKNOWN. Ask.
OWNERSHIP STATUS = UNKNOWN. Ask.
Until both are answered these two garments contribute NOTHING to the size analysis and must not be counted as evidence in either direction.
*** THE JULY 2025 BUYING BURST IS NOW FULLY MAPPED — SIX SOURCES IN SIX DAYS ***
Jul 1, 2025 Black Lapel shirt pattern created (shoulder 18.00)
Jul 3, 2025 APPOSTA Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt, $211.60 — profile copied from the Black Lapel pattern
Jul 4, 2025 STUDIOSUITS order 458780 — 3 Stretch Poplene shirts + $99 surcharge
Jul 6, 2025 SUNSPEL order US-73202 — polo + tee, both size M, $203
Jul 6, 2025 BR FACTORY order 1MMRW2J — 7 linen pieces, ALL size M, $129.55. TOO BIG, GIVEN AWAY.
Jul 21, 2025 STUDIOSUITS order 461815 — 3 linen shirts
Late June through July 2025 was the densest buying period in the wardrobe, and it sits squarely in the middle of the loose-to-snug migration. That is why so much of it is size-M and so much of it was too big.
MINOR ANOMALIES, RECORDED NOT RESOLVED
Billing address reads 7832 NW 131st St; shipping reads 7836 NW 131st St. Every other order in this workbook uses 7836. Almost certainly a typo in the billing record, but noted rather than silently corrected.
Shipping was $0 on a $203 order while the site banner states free shipping over $250. Either a promotion applied or the threshold differed in Jul 2025. Not material — recorded for completeness.
SKU colour codes not decoded: MPOL1052-BKAA (BK reads as black) and MTSH0192-BRFQ. COLOURS ARE NOT CONFIRMED — do not record a colour.
BRAND STATUS: SUNSPEL — 1 order, CONFIRMED, ITEMISED, $203, 2 garments, fulfilled Jul 2025. Was recorded as "PROSPECT, almost certainly never ordered" at the start of this session.
NOT YET ADDED to Orders or Garment Inventory — held pending RECIPIENT and OWNERSHIP STATUS, which determine whether these are Jesse's garments at all.
*** SUNSPEL FIT VERDICT — Owner, Aug 16, 2026 ***
Owner: "the sunspel fit ok. not too bad. i would be tempted to order a size S next to see how it fit."
RECIPIENT = JESSE. OWNERSHIP STATUS = OWNED / WORN. T33 resolved.
*** THIS BREAKS THE "SIZE M WAS TOO BIG" PATTERN — AND THAT IS THE USEFUL PART ***
Same day, 06 Jul 2025, two brands, both size M, DIFFERENT OUTCOMES:
| Brand | Garment | Size | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|
| BR Factory | 7 linen pieces (relaxed / standard woven) | M | TOO BIG — given away to father-in-law |
| Sunspel | Classic Jersey Polo + Cotton Linen T-shirt | M | FIT OK, "not too bad" — owned and worn |
CONCLUSION: SIZE M IS NOT UNIFORMLY WRONG. It failed on RELAXED WOVEN LINEN and held on FITTED JERSEY KNIT. Cut and fabric decide it, not the letter on the label.
This matters because the workbook has been treating the alpha ladder as a single body-driven sequence. It is that, but a size letter also means different things across cut and fabric class — the same lesson the measuring-point work produced today in a different domain.
*** THE LADDER SAYS ORDER THE SMALL. THREE INDEPENDENT BRANDS ALREADY AGREE. ***
The Bonobos tab records the alpha ladder as LARGE 2024 -> MEDIUM 2025 -> SMALL 2026, driven by a documented 30 lb weight loss.
The Sunspel M was bought 06 Jul 2025 — squarely in the MEDIUM era. It is being judged in Aug 2026, from the SMALL era. "Fit ok, not too bad" is exactly what a one-rung-stale garment feels like: wearable, but no longer the right size.
AND IT MAY HAVE BEEN STALE ON ARRIVAL. The Weight & Fit Timeline records that PAUL JAMES cut him SMALL in Aug 2025 — FOUR WEEKS after this order. An independent maker put him in Small a month later.
EVERY BRAND CURRENTLY AT SMALL:
Paul James Aug 2025 cut him SMALL — independent, four weeks after this Sunspel order
Charles Tyrwhitt Feb 2026 15 collar / Small — "current and correct"
Bonobos Mar 2026 Linen Polo, size S — "matches the current alpha ladder"
Sunspel Jul 2025 size M — THE ONLY ALPHA GARMENT STILL ON THE OLD RUNG
THE INSTINCT TO TRY S IS NOT A GUESS. It is the ladder, and three brands got there first. RECOMMENDATION: ORDER THE SMALL.
*** BEFORE ORDERING — TWO CHEAP CHECKS, IN THIS ORDER ***
1. WHICH GARMENT DOES "FIT OK" REFER TO? The order held a Classic Jersey Polo AND a Cotton Linen T-shirt. Those are different cuts in different fabrics and may not size the same. If only one was assessed, the other is still unknown.
2. MEASURE THE M POLO FLAT (chest, shoulder, length) AND COMPARE AGAINST SUNSPEL'S PUBLISHED SIZE CHART FOR S. That converts a guess into arithmetic and shows exactly how much comes off. Sunspel is British and cuts trim; going from "slightly loose" to "too tight" is a real risk on a jersey polo that has no seam allowance to let out.
*** WHAT TO ORDER, IF ORDERING BLIND ***
Test the SMALL on the COTTON LINEN T-SHIRT at $73 rather than the CLASSIC JERSEY POLO at $130. Same brand, same size system, roughly half the cost of being wrong.
CAVEAT, STATED PLAINLY: a tee and a polo are different cuts in different fabrics, so a good S in the tee does NOT prove a good S in the polo. It is a cheaper test of the BRAND'S sizing, not a proof for the specific garment. If the polo is what he actually wants, test the polo.
*** THIS ALSO BEARS ON THREE OPEN SIZE-M KNITS ***
The Wear Log and Shirt Inventory both carry an unresolved item: "the two Suitsupply size M polo cardigans and the Black Merino M — suspected too big, never confirmed", plus a CT Cream Merino M sweater.
The Sunspel M is now the FIRST CONFIRMED WEAR VERDICT ON ANY SIZE-M KNIT: only slightly loose, not unwearable.
THAT MAKES THE SUSPICION ABOUT THE OTHER M KNITS WEAKER, NOT STRONGER. If a Sunspel M jersey polo is merely a shade loose, comparable M knits are probably wearable too rather than write-offs. They should be TRIED ON before being written off — the same error the workbook made with Sunspel itself, where "almost certainly never ordered" turned out to be wrong.
SUNSPEL BRAND STATUS: 1 order, 2 garments, $203, both size M, both OWNED and WORN, fit acceptable but one rung stale. NEXT ORDER: SIZE S.
*** SUNSPEL SIZE-S RECOMMENDATION REFRAMED — Aug 16, 2026 ***
The owner wears BOTH size M and size S Suitsupply knits, choosing by day according to bloating. See the Wear Log for the full note.
THAT CHANGES THE PURPOSE OF THE SUNSPEL S ORDER. It is not a replacement for the M and the M should NOT be disposed of.
ORDER THE S TO COMPLETE THE PAIR — the same two-rung arrangement he already runs at Suitsupply. M for higher-fluctuation days, S for the rest.
This also LOWERS THE RISK OF THE ORDER. Previously the worry was that S might come back too tight and the money would be wasted. Now: if S is snug it is exactly the lower rung and gets worn; if it is skin tight it is genuinely too small. The failure band narrowed.
AND IT RAISES CONFIDENCE THE S WILL WORK. He already wears Small in Suitsupply knits, Charles Tyrwhitt (Feb 2026), Bonobos (Mar 2026) and Paul James (Aug 2025). Sunspel would be the fifth brand at Small.
Summary
Summary
Orders captured (all brands) 62
— Sartoro orders 33
— Suitsupply orders 12
— Oliver Wicks orders 1
— Black Lapel orders 2
— Hangrr orders 2
— Wool & Prince orders 2
— Allen Edmonds orders 5
— Christian Louboutin orders 1
— Hogan orders 1
— Raf Simons orders 1
— Saks Fifth Avenue orders 1
— Dillard's orders 1
Pants 30
Jackets 25
Vests 11
Shirts 5
Knitwear 26
Accessories 3
Footwear 10
Total garments 110
— Sartoro garments 42
— Suitsupply garments 32
— Oliver Wicks garments 2
— Black Lapel garments 2
— Hangrr garments 4
— Wool & Prince garments 6
— Allen Edmonds garments 7
— Christian Louboutin garments 1
— Hogan garments 1
— Raf Simons garments 1
— Saks Fifth Avenue garments 1
— Dillard's garments 8
Coordinated fabric groups 19
Orphan pants 11
Merchandise subtotal (captured) 25101.72
Sales tax paid 760.14
Shipping paid (captured) 548
Grand total spent (captured) 26409.86
— Sartoro 10990
— Suitsupply 9760.49
— Oliver Wicks 808
— Black Lapel 0
— Hangrr 850.18
— Wool & Prince 403.2
— Allen Edmonds 1740.62
— Christian Louboutin 917.88
— Hogan 392
— Raf Simons 214.09
— Saks Fifth Avenue 0
— Dillard's 333.4
Line items with NO captured price 8
Garments with NO confirmed delivery date 16
Average per garment (captured spend ÷ garments) 240.089636363636
First delivery (all sources) Jul 25-28, 2022 (Raf Simons via Farfetch) — earliest captured; was Feb 17, 2025 before the PST archive harvest
Most recent confirmed delivery Apr 18, 2026
Most recent order placed May 9, 2026 (Hangrr HNG1733063)
• The grand total EXCLUDES four orders with no usable price: the Aug 7, 2025 Sartoro Ellis Black Pindot jacket order, Sartoro #7072, and BOTH Black Lapel orders. True spend is higher than the figure above.
• It also includes derived totals for seven Sartoro orders whose total line was cut off, and SUBTOTAL FLOORS (tax excluded) for three Suitsupply orders — see Total Basis on the Orders tab.
• FIVE BRANDS, all made-to-measure: Sartoro remotely from a digital tailor profile (Jan 28, 2025, never published); Suitsupply from an in-store fitting at Plano; Oliver Wicks remotely; Black Lapel from stored editable patterns; Hangrr from a stored editable body profile.
• Only Suitsupply order screens showed a sales-tax line. Sartoro, Oliver Wicks, Black Lapel and Hangrr showed none.
• The Hangrr Deep Purple Wool suit is priced as one line covering jacket AND trousers, so it counts as 2 garments but contributes its $379.01 only once.
• EIGHT garments have no confirmed delivery date on any captured screen: the Black Lapel pants ('On its way'), all four Hangrr items ('Order Shipped'), and the three Oliver Wicks items, whose Orders History page shows only 'Finished' / 'Shipped' statuses and no dates.
• KNOWN FIT PROBLEM: the Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer (Hangrr) does not fit — arms far too tight. NOT caused by a bad body measurement: Hangrr stores BODY measurements while every other brand stores GARMENT or pattern values, and once converted for ease Hangrr's figures are consistent. Most likely the SLIM fit model plus velvet's lack of give. See 'Alterations & Fit History'.
• The Sartoro garment count excludes the 6 add-on/selection lines, which are charges rather than garments.
FOLDED IN — Aug 14, 2026
Five brands were living on their own tabs and were counted nowhere. They are now in Garment Inventory and Orders.
The figures below are recomputed from those master tabs, not carried over from the brand tabs.
Orders added 16
— Hiroshi Kato orders 6
— Mauvais orders 5
— Archer Apparel orders 4
— Banana Republic Factory orders 1
— Naked & Famous orders 3
Garment rows added 30
— Hiroshi Kato rows 10
— Mauvais rows 12
— Archer Apparel rows 4
— Naked & Famous rows 1
— Banana Republic Factory rows 3
(Mauvais 12 rows = 13 garments: two lines carry qty 2. N&F is one row covering 4 pairs.)
Money added by the fold-in 4714.3
— Hiroshi Kato (6 orders, TRUE total) 2386.5
— Mauvais (4 direct orders, TRUE total) 984.97
— Naked & Famous (3 orders, TRUE total) 747
— Archer Apparel (3 of 4 priced — FLOOR) 535
— Banana Republic Factory (1 of 11 read — FLOOR) 60.83
RECOMPUTED MASTER TOTALS
Orders in the Orders tab 78
Garment rows in Garment Inventory 150
Sum of order totals (Orders tab) 30377.16
Sum of item prices (Garment Inventory) 29504.47
The two figures differ legitimately: order totals include tax and shipping, item prices do not, and some
orders carry a total where the individual item prices were never shown (and vice versa).
STILL A FLOOR — what the new numbers do NOT include
- Banana Republic: 10 of 11 orders unread. Both BR and BR Factory, Nov 2024 to Jul 2026. Biggest remaining read.
- Mauvais eBay order 07-14346-79815 — amount never read.
- Archer 3965 — price never read.
- Bonobos, Thursday Boot Co., Amberjack — declared owned, ZERO records anywhere.
- Ferragamo, Prada, and 2 of 3 Louboutin pairs — still no transactional record.
- White linen shorts — the Mauvais beige shorts are the only shorts captured; the white linen ones are not.
OWNERSHIP STATUS IS STILL NOT MODELLED
Captured spend and current wardrobe remain the same column. Known departures: the Mauvais W30 (returned),
Archer 3194 (returned), seven size-M Banana Republic linen pieces (given to father-in-law), Allen Edmonds 9.0,
and 20 too-big Charles Tyrwhitt pieces. None of these are flagged as gone. Adding an OWNERSHIP STATUS column
to Garment Inventory is the single highest-value structural change left.
UPDATE — Aug 14, 2026 (later): Banana Republic 1PS8JWR added
Orders in the Orders tab 79
Garment rows in Garment Inventory 158
Sum of order totals 30985.42
Sum of item prices 30064.43
BANANA REPUBLIC REMAINS THE BIGGEST OPEN READ: 2 of 11 orders read.
Read: 1PS8JWR ($608.26) and 1R4PMVW ($60.83). Nine still unread across both senders.
UPDATE 2 — Aug 14, 2026: Banana Republic 4 of 11 orders read
Orders in the Orders tab 81
Garment rows in Garment Inventory 162
Sum of order totals 31178.23
Sum of item prices 30224.43
BR read: 1PS8JWR $608.26 · 1R03L81 $144.20 · 1R4PMVW $60.83 · 1QTFP23 $48.61 = $861.90
BR unread: 7 orders — 1Q1269G, 1PMHQ0C, 1YQBTKB, 1K3WDHL, 1MYC4DD, 1MMRL4V, 1MMRW2J
NOTE: 2 garment rows (the wife's M tees) are counted in spend but are NOT Jesse's wardrobe. See BR tab.
SPEND vs WARDROBE — the split now exists (Aug 14, 2026)
Garment Inventory gained RECIPIENT and OWNERSHIP STATUS columns after the owner confirmed two garments were
bought for his wife. Captured spend and current wardrobe are no longer the same number.
Spend on garments for Jesse 30114.43
Spend on garments for others (wife) 110
Total captured spend 30224.43
*** THIS IS NOT A WARDROBE COUNT YET ***
Only 9 of 162 rows carry ownership EVIDENCE. The other 153 read "Jesse (assumed) / UNRESOLVED" — which records
that nobody has checked, not that it is confirmed. Do NOT publish a "current wardrobe" figure from this column
until the unresolved rows are worked through with the owner.
Known-gone items NOT yet reflected: 20 too-big Charles Tyrwhitt pieces · 7 size-M BR linen pieces (father-in-law)
· Allen Edmonds Caleb Derby 9.0 · Thomas Bird Ellington 43. These sit on other tabs and need the same columns.
MTM SPEC SHEET
MTM SPEC SHEET — what to type into Luxire, or any new custom maker
Built Aug 15, 2026 from the Lower Body Block, Upper Body Block, Proper Cloth ladder and the Suitsupply reference.
EVERY NUMBER HERE IS TRACEABLE. Nothing is estimated unless the row says ESTIMATE.
*** READ THESE THREE RULES FIRST — THEY CAUSE MORE ERRORS THAN THE NUMBERS DO ***
1. BODY vs GARMENT. Most sites ask which you are giving. BODY = measured on him. GARMENT = a finished item laid
flat. They are NOT interchangeable — garment carries ease on top of body. This sheet labels every row.
2. HALF (FLAT) vs FULL (CIRCUMFERENCE). Proper Cloth quotes FLAT inches. Trav at Archer quoted 6.75 FLAT for a
leg opening, which is 13.5 full. THE SUITSUPPLY WAIST UNIT IS STILL UNRESOLVED (46.5 vs 96; 41 vs 82).
A 2x error on the waist is the single most expensive mistake available. ALWAYS confirm the convention.
3. WAIST POSITION. He wears trousers at the TOP OF THE HIP BONES, about 2 in BELOW the natural waist.
Natural waist / belly button = 33.5 in. Wear point = just under 31 in. Say which you mean, every time.
================= trousers ==================
| Field | Value | Type | Confidence | Note / what to say to the maker |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Waist | 31 in (just under) | BODY | VERIFIED | AT THE TOP OF THE HIP BONES. Not the natural waist. State this explicitly or you get a trouser 2 in too big. |
| Seat / hips | 35 in | BODY | VERIFIED | THE GOVERNING DIMENSION. Owner: "very small ass." This is what RTW gets wrong. |
| Thigh, thickest | 19 in | BODY | VERIFIED | Second governing dimension. Owner: "skinny legs." |
| Knee | 14 in | BODY | VERIFIED | Owner-supplied Aug 13, 2026. |
| Calf | 13 in | BODY | VERIFIED | SMALLER than the knee. Unusual and worth stating. |
| Ankle | 8 in (about) | BODY | VERIFIED | Very slim. This is why wide hems fail. |
| Rise — front | 9 to 10 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | A TOLERANCE, not a target. Centre 9.5. He wears the whole range. |
| Rise — back | 14 to 15 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | Consistent +5 in over the front. Do NOT let a maker shorten the rise. |
| Inseam | 31 in (about) | GARMENT | INFERRED | Archer cut 30/31; Kato stock accepted twice with "no hemming needed". Confirm against a pair that fits. |
| LEG OPENING | 13.5 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | FULL CIRCUMFERENCE (= 6.75 flat). The number he reaches for. Acceptable to 14-14.25. 15+ REJECTED — "bell bottoms". |
*** THE ONE FACT THAT MATTERS MOST ON A TROUSER ORDER: THE DROP IS +4 ***
Waist 31, seat 35. That is a +4 in drop. The industry drafts to +8 to +10.
CONSEQUENCE: any block cut to his waist arrives 4-6 in too large in the seat and 3-5 in too large in the thigh.
WHAT TO WRITE IN THE NOTES FIELD, VERBATIM:
"My waist-to-seat drop is only about 4 inches, not the usual 8-10. Please do not add standard seat and thigh
ease. Waist 31 at the top of the hip bones, seat 35, thigh 19. Cut the seat and thigh close; the waist has
never been the problem. Finished leg opening 13.5 inches."
Trav at Archer said the same thing in sizing language: "his waist is a size 30/29.5 but he needs the BODY of the
pants to be a size 28." Independent corroboration, eighteen months earlier.
WHAT IS NOT KNOWN FOR TROUSERS — do not invent these
- FINISHED GARMENT seat and thigh. Only the BODY figures are verified. No well-fitting trouser has ever been
measured flat and written down. If Luxire asks for garment seat/thigh rather than body, the honest answer is
that we do not have it — give body figures and let them apply their own ease, or measure a pair that fits.
- Knee circumference on the garment, and front/back rise on a pair confirmed to fit.
THE CHEAPEST FIX: lay the best-fitting trouser he owns flat and measure waist, seat, thigh, knee, hem, rise and
inseam. That converts this whole block from BODY to GARMENT and removes all ease guesswork permanently.
================= shirts ==================
GOOD NEWS: for shirts there ARE verified finished-garment numbers. Proper Cloth publishes flat garment inches on
every order, and the March 2026 shirt (AC2024242) is the newest, tightest and owner-confirmed as fitting.
| Field | Value | Type | Confidence | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Collar around | 15.4 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Proper Cloth AC2024242. Ledbury and Charles Tyrwhitt both cut 15 — use 15 to 15.4. |
| Chest width | 21.2 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | = 42.4 in circ over a 38 in body = 4.4 in ease. THE SPEC. Owner-confirmed Aug 15, 2026. |
| Midsection width | 17.5 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Proper Cloth AC2024242. |
| Yoke / shoulder width | 17.1 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Seam-to-seam, measured FLAT/straight across on the garment — Proper Cloth confirms yoke width = shoulder width (verified from their measuring guide, Aug 16 2026). BUT their sewing tolerance on this dimension is +/-0.25 in, so the "four brands inside 0.15 in" cluster is tighter than the noise. Use ~17.2; do not defend the second decimal. |
| Sleeve length | 34 to 34.3 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Stable across every shirt and every brand. 34 is the safe entry. |
| Sleeve width | 7.5 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Body bicep is 12 in, so this is close but proven. |
| Cuff around | 8.4 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Proper Cloth AC2024242. |
| Back length | 31 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Shortened from 32 on the two earliest shirts. |
| Bottom width | 19.4 in | GARMENT FLAT | VERIFIED | Proper Cloth AC2024242. |
| Body chest | 38 in | BODY | VERIFIED | Measured twice 16 months apart, identical. The most reliable body number in the project. |
| Body bicep | 12 in | BODY | VERIFIED | Aug 2026. |
THE EASE BAND — this is the transferable rule
Over a 38 in body chest, the workbook has three data points on finished chest:
Charles Tyrwhitt Extra Slim — static fit fine, MOVEMENT CONSTRAINED. The tight bound.
Proper Cloth Mar 2026, 42.4 in — about 4.4 in ease. WORKS.
Suitsupply shirt, about 44.5 in — about 6.5 in ease. JUDGED TOO FULL.
SUPERSEDED Aug 15, 2026 — see the corrected band below. 4-4.5 in was derived from the merino alone.
CRITICAL CAVEAT: the Charles Tyrwhitt problem was diagnosed as RANGE OF MOTION — back width and armhole — NOT
chest girth. DO NOT widen the chest to fix a pulling shirt. That correction is on record and still stands.
NON-NUMERIC SHIRT SPEC — get these wrong and the measurements will not save it
COLLAR STYLE: SHORT SPREAD (Ledbury "Alden" is the settled choice). Any spread-family collar is acceptable —
spread, semi-spread, quint, alden are interchangeable to him.
*** NEVER BUTTON-DOWN. *** Owner: "i HATE button down collars." Zero owned across 61 shirt records.
WATCH OUT: Ledbury DEFAULTS to button-down unless you change it. Assume other sites do too.
FIT MODEL: Extra-slim / very tailored. Shoulder-armpit "Very Tailored" on all four Proper Cloth shirts.
POSTURE: CHEST FORWARD 1 in — on the newest Proper Cloth shirt only. Whether it is required is NOT yet
confirmed; the shirt fits, but so did the shirt before it. Offer it, do not insist on it.
BACK DARTS: Yes on three of four. Default to yes.
FABRIC: Merino wool wovens have worked repeatedly. Brompton Mouline (Ledbury) bought out entirely.
A verified review warns the Ledbury CREAM is sheer and needs ironing every wash.
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SHOULDER 43.5 cm = 17.13 in. Suitsupply, professionally measured, and FOUR BRANDS INDEPENDENTLY AGREE near it:
Suitsupply 17.13 · Black Lapel rebuilt to 17.25 · Hangrr body profile 17.2 · Proper Cloth yoke 17.1-17.6.
This is the single most corroborated number in the entire workbook. Use it.
BASE SIZE: Suitsupply 36 jacket / 28 trouser (trouser figure is the BODY of the trouser, not the waist).
DO NOT USE THE 18.00 in SHOULDER. Black Lapel still holds it on a shirt and an overcoat, and nine old Sartoro
jackets were built to it. It is a stale pre-weight-loss spec and it is the worst number in the project.
NO BODY SHOULDER MEASUREMENT EXISTS. Every shoulder figure above is a GARMENT figure. If a maker asks for a body
shoulder, that is a genuine gap — measure seam to seam across the back, or give them the 17.13 garment figure and
say so explicitly.
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TROUSERS — body, inches: waist 31 (at top of hip bones) · seat 35 · thigh 19 · knee 14 · calf 13 · ankle 8
TROUSERS — garment, inches: rise front 9.5 / back 14.5 · inseam 31 · LEG OPENING 13.5 full circumference
TROUSERS — note: drop is +4, not +8-10. Do not add standard seat or thigh ease.
SHIRT — garment flat, inches: collar 15.4 · chest 21.2 · midsection 17.5 · yoke 17.1 · sleeve 34.3 ·
sleeve width 7.5 · cuff 8.4 · back length 31 · bottom 19.4
SHIRT — body: chest 38 · bicep 12 · neck 15
SHIRT — style: extra-slim, very tailored, back darts, SHORT SPREAD COLLAR, NEVER BUTTON-DOWN
JACKET: shoulder 17.13 in (43.5 cm) · base size 36 · NEVER 18.00 in
*** CORRECTED EASE BAND — Aug 15, 2026, after reading the BLACK pique AC1786802 ***
Four finished-chest data points now exist, with an owner-stated preference order:
20.70 flat / 41.4 circ / 3.4 in ease Navy pique LESS PREFERRED — too tight for his taste
21.20 flat / 42.4 circ / 4.4 in ease Merino woven FITS, worn Aug 14 2026
21.70 flat / 43.4 circ / 5.4 in ease BLACK pique AS-CUT ONLY — this garment SHRANK on first wash
22.25 flat / 44.5 circ / 6.5 in ease Suitsupply TOO FULL
SUPERSEDED Aug 15, 2026 — owner prefers the MERINO WOVEN. Single spec below. Do not use a band.
Do not go below 21.0 flat. Do not go above 22.0 flat.
FABRIC CLASS DOES NOT CHANGE THE TARGET.
The preferred shirt is a KNIT at 21.7 and the confirmed-fitting shirt is a WOVEN at 21.2. The two shirts he likes
bracket each other across fabric classes. Knit vs woven changes DRAPE, not the numbers to order.
The navy pique at 20.7 was a one-off tight cut, not a knit-specific rule.
SECONDARY MEASUREMENTS FROM THE PREFERRED SHIRT (black pique AC1786802) — use as the upper bound:
Collar 15.50 · Midsection 17.70 · Yoke 17.40 · Sleeve 33.70 · Sleeve width 7.80 · Cuff 8.70 ·
Bottom 19.70 · Back length 30.70 · BACK DARTS NONE · Two forearm pleats · President SPREAD collar.
NOTE: the preferred shirt has NO BACK DARTS while the merino has them. Untested whether that matters — offer
either, but if a maker asks, the preferred garment is dartless.
*** FINAL — THE SPEC IS THE MERINO WOVEN AC2024242. SETTLED Aug 15, 2026. ***
Owner: "actually prefer the merino woven ... let's just use the merino woven as the spec."
The pique shirts were captured for completeness only. They are NOT the target.
THE SPEC — give a new maker exactly this, flat garment inches:
Collar 15.4 · Chest 21.2 · Midsection 17.5 · Yoke 17.1 · Sleeve length 34.3 · Sleeve width 7.5 ·
Cuff 8.4 · Back length 31.0 · Bottom 19.4 · Back darts YES · Three forearm pleats · VERY TAILORED armhole
Chest ease 4.4 in over a 38 in body. Collar family SHORT SPREAD. NEVER button-down.
Optional: Chest Forward 1 in posture — present on this shirt, benefit unconfirmed.
*** NEW PRINCIPLE — SHRINKAGE MAKES ORDER SPECS UNRELIABLE ON WASHABLE FABRICS ***
Owner: "I think the pique shirt shrunk a bit when I washed it the first time too."
An order confirmation records the garment AS CUT. If the fabric shrinks on first wash, that number no longer
describes the garment on the body. EVERY measurement in this workbook taken from an order email is AS-CUT.
WHAT THIS INVALIDATES
- The black pique 21.70 chest is AS-CUT. Post-shrink it is smaller by an unknown amount, plausibly landing near
the merino 21.20 — which explains why the owner reads them as similar while the paper says 0.5 in apart.
- The navy pique 20.70 as-cut is the tightest shirt in the ladder; post-shrink, tighter still. That is the most
likely reason it is his least-preferred pique — a FABRIC-CARE outcome, not a spec error.
- Any inference from comparing a washable knit against a wool woven ON PAPER is suspect. After the first wash
they are no longer measured in the same state.
THE CARE-CLASS SPLIT — carry this into every future order
MERINO WOOL WOVEN (Reda PCF2333) — THE SPEC. No shrink reported across three merino shirts (Jan 2025,
Jul 2025, Mar 2026). Dimensionally stable, which is exactly why it is the reliable reference.
JAPANESE COTTON PERFORMANCE PIQUE (PCK04, PCK31) — washable, and SHRANK. As-cut specs overstate it.
ACTION FOR ANY NEW MAKER ON A WASHABLE FABRIC:
1. Ask whether quoted finished measurements are PRE-SHRUNK or POST-SHRUNK. Most sites do not say.
2. If pre-shrunk or unstated, add allowance rather than ordering the merino numbers verbatim.
3. DO NOT add that allowance to wool wovens — the merino numbers are proven as-worn across three shirts.
4. CHEAPEST TEST AVAILABLE: lay the black pique flat NOW and compare against its as-cut 21.70. That gives a
REAL shrinkage figure for this fabric instead of a guessed percentage.
*** FINISHED-GARMENT TROUSER BLOCK — ADDED Aug 16, 2026. THIS IS THE THING THIS SHEET SAID WAS MISSING. ***
The sheet above states: "FINISHED GARMENT seat and thigh. Only the BODY figures are verified... THE CHEAPEST FIX: lay the best-fitting trouser he owns flat and measure." Suitsupply publishes those numbers directly. No measuring required.
Source: Suitsupply Create Trousers Size dialog, Size 28 Brescia Slim Leg, profile shortened20260218, unit toggle = in. Width fields are FLAT; doubled below. See "SS MASTER — Full Measurements".
Field | Finished GARMENT value | Type | Confidence | Note
Waist | 32.4 in around | GARMENT | VERIFIED | Over a 31 in body waist at the hip bones = +1.4 in ease.
Thigh | 20.0 in around AT 6 IN BELOW THE CROTCH | GARMENT | VERIFIED VALUE, WRONG POINT FOR MOST MAKERS | Suitsupply measures the upper leg 6 in down. Do NOT quote this to a maker who measures at the crotch. Estimated crotch-level equivalent approx 21.6 in (ESTIMATE, treat as a floor).
Knee | 16.0 in around | GARMENT | VALUE VERIFIED, POINT UNCONFIRMED | Suitsupply calls this "lower leg width". Assumed to be the knee. NOT confirmed against the field tooltip.
Leg opening | 13.6 in around | GARMENT | VERIFIED | Confirms the 13.5 in target already on this sheet, from a second source.
Inseam | 29.8 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | CORRECTS the "31 in (about), INFERRED" row above. Use 29.8.
Front rise | 8.6 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | CONFLICTS with the "9 to 10 in, VERIFIED" row above. See flag below.
Back rise | 14.2 in | GARMENT | VERIFIED | Inside the 14-15 in range already recorded. Front-to-back difference +5.6 in, close to the +5 recorded.
Outseam | 38.4 in | DERIVED | inseam + front rise | Black Lapel outseam reads 39 in.
SEAT | NOT PUBLISHED | — | GAP REMAINS | Seat width, hip width and crotch are all dropdowns reading "Standard". The governing dimension still has no finished number. Measuring a trouser flat is STILL the only way to close it.
FRONT RISE CONFLICT — DO NOT AVERAGE THESE. This sheet records front rise 9-10 in as VERIFIED with the centre at 9.5, described as a tolerance he wears across. The Suitsupply reference trouser — the locked master, the one that fits — reads 8.6 in, below the entire stated range. Establish which garments each figure was taken from before quoting either to a maker.
EASE RULES NOW DERIVABLE FROM THE REFERENCE (garment minus body, circumference):
Waist +1.4 in · Thigh SEE CORRECTION BELOW · Knee +2.0 in (point unconfirmed) · Jacket chest +2.0 in · Jacket bicep +3.6 in over a 12 in body bicep
CORRECTED Aug 16, 2026 — THE THIGH FIGURE CANNOT BE USED AS WRITTEN. Suitsupply measures "upper leg width" 6 IN BELOW THE CROTCH; the 19 in body thigh is at the thickest point, at the crotch. The two are different places on the leg and the "+1.0 in of ease" derived from them is void. Estimated crotch-level garment thigh approx 21.6 in, implying roughly +2.6 in of ease or more — ESTIMATE ONLY, from a linear taper that almost certainly understates it. If a maker asks for thigh ease, say the honest thing: it has not been established, and give the body thigh of 19 in with the +4 drop instruction instead.
*** MEASURING-POINT WARNING — added Aug 16, 2026, owner-supplied ***
Rule 2 at the top of this sheet warns about HALF vs FULL. There is a third trap of the same kind and it is not yet written anywhere else: WHERE ON THE BODY the measurement is taken.
Confirmed instance: Suitsupply "upper leg width" is taken 6 IN BELOW THE CROTCH. A thigh measured at the crotch is a different and larger number.
WHAT TO SAY TO A MAKER, VERBATIM, WHEN GIVING A THIGH: "Is that measured at the crotch or below it, and how far below?" Then state which one your figure is.
This applies in both directions. Quoting a 6-in-down figure to a maker who drafts at the crotch produces a trouser roughly 1.5 in too tight through the upper leg — the mirror image of the seat-too-big problem this whole sheet exists to prevent.
*** YOKE = SHOULDER, CONFIRMED — and a tolerance warning. Aug 16, 2026 ***
Proper Cloth "Yoke Width" is measured from where the yoke meets the sleeve, straight across, to the same point on the other side — i.e. shoulder seam to shoulder seam, flat. When a maker asks for a shoulder measurement, 17.1 is a valid answer FOR A SHIRT.
SAY WHICH KIND: "17.1 inches, measured flat straight across the back from shoulder seam to shoulder seam — not over the curve of the shoulder." A maker who measures over the shoulder will read a larger number for the same garment.
DO NOT QUOTE IT TO THE SECOND DECIMAL. Proper Cloth accepts +/-0.25 in on this dimension. The working figure is about 17.2 for shirts; the Suitsupply JACKET figure of 17.13 is a different garment class and not interchangeable.
*** RETRACTED Aug 16, 2026 — "THE SHIRT SPEC IS INCOMPLETE / BOTTOM WIDTH CONTRADICTED". The comparison behind it was invalid. See the retraction immediately below. ***
The spec above gives Bottom 19.4 flat (38.8 circ), taken from the merino AC2024242. New evidence says that is too narrow.
StudioSuits — 28 heavily-worn shirts — carry a hem of 39.5 circ, which is 0.7 in WIDER than the spec, and the owner reports the hem catches the widest part of his hips and the bottom button must sometimes be left undone.
IF 39.5 CATCHES, 38.8 CATCHES HARDER. Handing this spec to a new maker verbatim would reproduce and worsen a known problem.
EVERY OTHER FIELD IN THE SPEC IS NOW DOUBLY CONFIRMED — StudioSuits independently runs chest 42.5 (spec 42.4), collar 15.5 (15.4), waist 35.5 (35.0), shoulder 17.5 (17.1), across 28 garments since May 2025. The spec is right; the hem is the one exception.
INTERIM GUIDANCE: order the spec as written EXCEPT the bottom, which should go to at least 40.5 circ (20.25 flat) pending the try-on test below. The Jan 2025 Proper Cloth shirt ran 42.2 circ, so there is headroom.
ALSO ADD TO ANY MAKER BRIEF: "The shirt hem must clear the widest part of the hip, or finish above it. This has been a real problem." A maker cannot infer that from a bottom-width number alone.
RESOLVE FIRST, IT IS FREE: StudioSuits front length went 30 -> 28.5 in Dec 2025 and BOTH are in the wardrobe. Wearing one of each shows whether shortening alone fixes it. Do that before setting a hem number.
AND ASK THE OBVIOUS QUESTION NOBODY HAS: does the merino AC2024242 — the spec garment itself — also catch at the hip? Its hem is narrower than the shirts that do. "Fits" was recorded on chest and shoulder; the hem was never discussed.
LENGTH FIELDS DO NOT MATCH ACROSS BRANDS: StudioSuits publishes FRONT length, Proper Cloth publishes BACK length. A StudioSuits 30 wears LONGER than a Proper Cloth 31 because the back hem drops below the front. Never transfer a length number between these two brands without stating which side it is.
*** RETRACTION — THE HEM CONCLUSION WRITTEN EARLIER TODAY IS WITHDRAWN. Aug 16, 2026. ***
The claim that the spec bottom width of 19.4 flat / 38.8 circ is "too narrow" rested on comparing StudioSuits (39.5, catches) against the spec (38.8). That comparison was invalid on TWO counts, both disclosed by the owner after it was written.
1. CARE. StudioSuits cotton is washed cold AND TUMBLE DRIED. The merino is cold-wash-only and dimensionally stable. At only 2 percent shrinkage the StudioSuits hem reaches 38.7 — BELOW the spec, not above it. The comparison may point the opposite way.
2. WEAR MODE. StudioSuits shirts are the only ones worn UNTUCKED. A tucked hem is never asked to clear the hip, so the other shirts were never tested — they did not pass.
THE SPEC AS WRITTEN IS FOR TUCKED SHIRTS AND STANDS UNCHANGED. Do not widen the bottom on that basis.
WHAT IS GENUINELY MISSING IS A SECOND SPEC. Proper Cloth publishes the rule: an untucked shirt wants a midsection at least 0.5 in BIGGER and a back length 1.5 to 2.5 in SHORTER than a slim tucked dress shirt. Build an UNTUCKED variant from the tucked spec using those offsets, plus a shrinkage allowance for any fabric that will be tumble dried.
CARE CLASS — THIRD ENTRY. The sheet already splits merino wool woven (stable) from Japanese cotton pique (shrank on wash). Add: STUDIOSUITS COTTON — washed AND TUMBLE DRIED, the harshest regime in the wardrobe. Every StudioSuits figure in this workbook is as-cut and overstates the garment as worn by an unmeasured amount.
ASK BEFORE EVERY FUTURE SHIRT ORDER, IT TAKES ONE LINE: will this shirt be TUCKED or UNTUCKED, and will it be TUMBLE DRIED? Those two answers change the numbers more than any maker-to-maker difference found in this project.
*** A THIRD WAIST — DAILY FLUCTUATION AT THE BELLY BUTTON. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: the fluctuation is "around the belly button", and it is "1.5 to 2 inches sometimes".
THIS SHEET ALREADY WARNS ABOUT TWO WAISTS. THERE ARE THREE.
1. WEAR POINT — top of the hip bones, just under 31 in. Where trousers sit.
2. NATURAL WAIST / BELLY BUTTON — 33 in (Apr 8 2025 self-measurement) or 33.5 in (cited elsewhere on this sheet).
3. THE SAME BELLY-BUTTON WAIST ON A HIGH DAY — 1.5 to 2 in larger. NEW, and never recorded anywhere in this workbook.
Rule 3 at the top of this sheet says "Say which you mean, every time." It now needs a fourth word: say which POSITION, and which DAY.
*** THE ARITHMETIC — AND IT IS TIGHT ***
THE SETTLED SHIRT SPEC puts midsection at 17.5 flat = 35.0 circumference.
vs belly button on a LOW day (33.0) -> ease +2.0 in
vs belly button at +1.5 (34.5) -> ease +0.5 in
vs belly button at +2.0 (35.0) -> ease 0.0 in
AT THE TOP OF THE STATED RANGE THE SPEC SHIRT HAS NO EASE AT ALL AT THE BELLY BUTTON. If the 33.5 figure is the right one rather than 33.0, it goes NEGATIVE.
StudioSuits and Apposta both run a shirt waist of 35.5 circ — half an inch more, and still only +0.5 on a high day.
IMPORTANT CAVEAT, STATED BEFORE ANYONE ACTS ON THE ABOVE:
The garment "midsection" and the body "belly button" are NOT confirmed to sit at the same height. Proper Cloth defines midsection as the narrowest part of the shirt, roughly halfway between the armpits and the hem — which may sit ABOVE the navel. The comparison shows the DIRECTION of the problem, not a precise ease figure.
AND THE BODY FIGURE ITSELF IS UNSETTLED: this sheet cites 33.5 while the Lower Body Block records 33.0 from the Apr 8 2025 self-measurement. That 0.5 in disagreement matters at these margins. RESOLVE IT.
*** THIS EXPLAINS THREE THINGS THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY UNCONNECTED ***
1. WHY THE TROUSER WAIST NEVER MOVES. Trousers are worn at the top of the hip bones, about 2 in BELOW the navel — BELOW the fluctuation zone. The StudioSuits trouser waist held at exactly 31.5 across nine months while hip wandered 36->36->38->37 and thigh 22->22.5->23.25->22. The one dimension that sits out of the swing is the one dimension that never needed correcting.
2. WHY THE VELVET JACKETS WERE LET OUT AT THE WAIST AND BOTTOM SPECIFICALLY. That is exactly the region that swings 1.5-2 in — and velvet has no recovery. Two problems stacking in one place: a fabric that cannot give, across the only part of the body that changes daily. The wool jacket at identical numbers survived because wool eases.
3. WHY KNITWEAR IS RUN AS A TWO-SIZE PAIR. A 1.5-2 in daily swing is roughly one alpha size. He is not indecisive between S and M — HIS BODY CROSSES A SIZE BOUNDARY MOST WEEKS. Holding both rungs is the correct response.
*** THE DESIGN RULE THIS PRODUCES — AND IT IS ASYMMETRIC ***
His own acceptance thresholds are NOT symmetric: "loose but not billowy" is ACCEPTABLE. "Skin tight" is NOT.
A woven garment built to the LOW day is unwearable on a high day. A woven built to the HIGH day is merely slightly loose on a low day — which lands inside his acceptable band.
THEREFORE: BUILD WOVENS AT THE WAIST TO THE HIGH DAY. The cost of erring loose is comfort. The cost of erring tight is a garment he cannot wear at all on a given morning.
*** BUT DO NOT GENERALISE THIS — IT APPLIES TO ONE DIMENSION ONLY ***
This sheet and the Wear Log both record the rule "when torn between two sizes, take the tighter", driven by the documented preference migration and the wife's preference. That rule STANDS.
IT STANDS FOR EVERY DIMENSION THAT DOES NOT FLUCTUATE: shoulder, chest, sleeve, seat, thigh, knee, leg opening. Those are bone and muscle and do not change overnight.
THE WAIST AND THE MIDSECTION ARE THE EXCEPTION, and only in the belly-button region. Cut everything else close, and give the waist the swing.
THAT IS ALSO EXACTLY WHAT THE +4 DROP INSTRUCTION ALREADY SAYS: "Cut the seat and thigh close; the waist has to be right but it is the least of the problems." The fluctuation finding gives that sentence a mechanism.
*** WHAT I AM NOT DOING ***
I am NOT changing the settled shirt spec. The merino AC2024242 is the spec because it FITS and is worn — and if it were unwearable on high days that would presumably have been said by now.
The right next step is a question, not an edit: DOES THE MERINO FEEL TIGHT AT THE WAIST ON A BLOATED DAY? If yes, the spec midsection needs to rise and the whole shirt block moves with it. If no, then the garment midsection sits above the navel and the arithmetic above overstates the problem.
One answer settles whether this is a real defect in the spec or an artefact of comparing two different heights on the body.
*** RESOLVED — THE SHIRT SPEC IS SAFE. THE FLUCTUATION SITS BELOW IT. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "it's still wearable. my smallest measure I have is right below my rib cage. and it does not change much. it's just right around the belly button. and a big dinner with wine late at night can cause it to be measurably larger in the morning."
T43 ANSWERED: the merino AC2024242 remains wearable on a bloated day. THE SETTLED SHIRT SPEC STANDS UNCHANGED. No edit required.
*** AND HERE IS WHY THE ARITHMETIC OVERSTATED THE PROBLEM ***
Proper Cloth defines MIDSECTION as "the narrowest part of the shirt's body". The owner's narrowest BODY point is RIGHT BELOW THE RIB CAGE — and that point DOES NOT CHANGE MUCH.
So the garment field and the stable body landmark line up. The spec was never measured at the navel, which is why it survives a navel that swells.
I compared a garment field defined at the NARROWEST point against a body point (the navel) that is neither the narrowest nor stable. Wrong pairing — the same class of measuring-point error this session has now hit SIX times.
THE CAVEAT I FLAGGED IS CLOSED, AND IT CLOSED IN FAVOUR OF THE SPEC.
*** THE WAIST MAP IS NOW COMPLETE — THREE LANDMARKS, TWO STABLE, ONE NOT ***
1. JUST BELOW THE RIB CAGE — the NARROWEST point. STABLE ("does not change much"). VALUE HAS NEVER BEEN MEASURED. This is where a shirt midsection lands.
2. NAVEL / natural waist — 33.0 to 33.5 in. FLUCTUATES 1.5 to 2 in. NOTHING IS SPECIFIED HERE BY ANY BRAND.
3. TOP OF THE HIP BONES — just under 31 in. STABLE. This is where trousers sit.
THE TWO STABLE LANDMARKS ARE THE TWO THAT GARMENTS ARE ACTUALLY BUILT TO. The one that moves is the one nobody measures. That is why this wardrobe works as well as it does — and it looks like luck rather than design.
*** THE GAP THAT FALLS OUT OF THIS — AND IT IS STRUCTURAL ***
A shirt is specified at the MIDSECTION (narrowest, above the navel, stable) and at the BOTTOM (hem, at the hip, stable). BETWEEN THOSE TWO POINTS IT CROSSES THE NAVEL — the one region that swells 1.5-2 in — AND NO BRAND IN THIS WORKBOOK HAS A FIELD THERE.
Proper Cloth, StudioSuits, Apposta, Suitsupply, Black Lapel: all specify above it and below it. None specify at it. The fluctuating zone is unmeasured and uncontrolled on every shirt he owns.
POSSIBLE CONNECTION, NOT ESTABLISHED: the StudioSuits untucked hem catching the hip may be worse on high-fluctuation days, because a swollen midriff pushes the shirt outward and shortens its effective drop. WORTH NOTICING — is the bottom button left undone more often the morning after a big dinner?
*** THE TRIGGER IS PREDICTABLE, WHICH MAKES IT MANAGEABLE ***
A big dinner with wine late at night produces a measurably larger navel THE FOLLOWING MORNING. Not random, and not same-day only — it carries overnight.
PRACTICAL: on that morning, reach for the MEDIUM knit rather than the Small, and expect the untucked shirts to sit differently. The wardrobe already contains the answer; it has just never been named as a rule.
*** REVISED RULE FOR EVERY FUTURE MAKER BRIEF ***
ALWAYS SPECIFY THE NARROWEST POINT, JUST BELOW THE RIB CAGE. NEVER BUILD A SPEC ON THE NAVEL.
A maker who asks for the "natural waist" and takes it at the navel is measuring the one landmark on this body that is not reliable, and will get a different answer depending on what was eaten the night before.
WORDING TO USE: "Take my waist at the narrowest point, just below the rib cage — not at the navel. The navel varies day to day by up to two inches; the point below the ribs does not."
Sits alongside the existing rule that trouser waist means 31 in AT THE TOP OF THE HIP BONES. Two stable landmarks named explicitly, and the unstable one excluded by name.
THE SMALLEST MEASUREMENT HAS NEVER BEEN CAPTURED. It is now the most important body number missing from this workbook — it is where the shirt block is actually built, and it is stable enough to trust.
THE REFERENCE — Suitsupply
THE REFERENCE — Suitsupply
Owner-designated baseline for all future orders, Aug 2026. This is the master fit record and every other brand should be restated against it.
WHY IT WINS: it is the only measurement set in this workbook that is clean on all three axes — taken by a professional rather than self-reported, taken at stable weight (Oct/Nov 2025, mid-plateau), and taken with no loose-to-snug preference drift baked in.
THE TWO GENERATIONS — and what each one IS
| Garment | Plano baseline | Feb 18, 2026 | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| Jacket | Havana 36, 12 adjustments | 'length/width20260218', 13 adjustments | CURRENT. Plano baseline + Jesse's own slight modification. USE THIS. |
| Trousers | Brescia Slim Leg 28, 7 adjustments | 'shortened20260218', 7 adjustments · inside leg −6.0 → −7.0 | CURRENT. Plano baseline + Jesse wanting them a touch shorter. USE THIS. |
| Waistcoat | Ferrara 36, 3 adjustments | NOT REVISED — deliberately | CURRENT. The Plano numbers were right first time. 'The vest fit perfect.' No change needed. |
A GAP THIS WORKBOOK HAD WRONG
• The unrevised waistcoat was previously logged as an oversight — 'the waistcoat was never revised and still runs the Plano profile.' It is not an oversight. It is a PASS. The Plano waistcoat fit correctly out of the box and needed nothing.
• Equally, the Feb 18 revision was previously read as evidence that Plano had been wrong. It was not. It is Plano plus two small owner-authored tweaks: trousers a touch shorter, jacket slightly modified. Refinement on a good baseline, not a correction of a bad one.
• That makes the reference stronger, not weaker. Three garment types measured professionally at stable weight, two lightly tuned by the wearer, one confirmed perfect untouched.
THE CROSS-BRAND CHECK THAT SUPPORTS IT
• Suitsupply shoulder 43.5 cm = 17.13″. Black Lapel rebuilt to 17.25″ FROM these numbers on Nov 7, 2025. Hangrr's body profile reads 17.2″. Proper Cloth's Mar 2026 yoke landed at 17.10″ independently. Four brands inside 0.15″, with Suitsupply in the middle of the cluster.
STILL RUNNING THE OLD SPEC — these need restating against the reference
• BLACK LAPEL SHIRT (Jul 1, 2025) — shoulder still 18.00. Never rebuilt.
• BLACK LAPEL OVERCOAT (May 7, 2025) — shoulder still 18.00. Never rebuilt.
• OLIVER WICKS — shoulders −1 cm queued and NEVER APPLIED. Also biceps +1.5 cm and length +5 cm outstanding.
• SARTORO old generation — 9 jackets plus their pants and vests at the 18″ shoulder spec.
THE ONE LIVE RISK ON USING THESE NUMBERS
• UNIT INCONSISTENCY, UNRESOLVED. Plano jacket waist reads 46.5 cm; the Feb 18 jacket reads 96 cm. Trousers: 41 cm versus 82 cm. That is almost exactly a 2× relationship — a half-measure versus a full circumference.
• Shoulders are unaffected: 43.5 cm is unambiguous, and it is the number four brands agree on.
• But before any waist figure is handed to Sartoro or to Chris at Covenant Brothers, CONFIRM WHICH CONVENTION IT IS IN. A 2× error on the waist is the single most expensive mistake available here, and the waist is already the dimension under active adjustment.
VALIDATION QUESTION
• Two Suitsupply orders were placed AFTER the Feb 18 revision — 04125554953 (delivered Mar 19, 2026) and 04130095970 (delivered Apr 18, 2026), the Purple Wool Silk Linen jacket and trousers. If those two fit correctly, the Feb 18 profile is proven in the real world and can be locked with confidence. Their fit is not yet recorded anywhere in this workbook.
*** UNIT QUESTION RESOLVED — Aug 16, 2026. THIS SUPERSEDES "THE ONE LIVE RISK" ABOVE. ***
Owner supplied the Create Jacket / Trousers / Waistcoat Size dialogs with the unit toggle set to INCHES. See the "SS MASTER — Full Measurements" tab.
RULE: width fields are HALF / FLAT (double for circumference); length fields are DIRECT. Both conventions coexist inside one profile — it was never a generational split.
Decoded: Plano cm figures were FLAT. Feb 18 cm figures were CIRCUMFERENCES. The apparent doubling was a display change, not a garment change.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE TROUSERS: converted to a common convention, Plano and Feb 18 are IDENTICAL on waist, upper leg, lower leg and foot opening. The Feb 18 revision altered exactly ONE dimension — the inseam, 1 cm shorter. The workbook previously read four width changes into it. There were none.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE JACKET: waist genuinely widened from 46.5 to 48.0 cm flat (+0.6 in flat / +1.2 in around) between Plano and Feb 18. That change is real.
CONSEQUENCE FOR BLACK LAPEL: the "confirm before treating them as an independent measuring session" caveat is now settled. Black Lapel jacket chest 40.0 in matches the doubled Suitsupply chest EXACTLY, and sleeve, length, front length and shoulder all match within 0.35 in. Black Lapel is a transcription of this reference, not a second opinion on it.
The waist figure can now be handed to Sartoro or to Chris at Covenant Brothers. State the convention explicitly: jacket waist 37.6 in AROUND, trouser waist 32.4 in AROUND.
ADDED Aug 16, 2026 TO "STILL RUNNING THE OLD SPEC": APPOSTA — Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt, order 1751558736647, 3 Jul 2025, shoulder 18 IN, owner-confirmed. Apposta holds this profile on file and will rebuild to it unless corrected. REORDER IS BLOCKED pending a sizing update.
The old-spec cohort is now: Black Lapel shirt (18.00) · Black Lapel overcoat (18.00) · Suitsupply shirt as built (18.31) · APPOSTA (18) · Oliver Wicks (shoulders -1 cm queued, never applied) · Sartoro old generation (9 jackets plus pants and vests at 18 in).
SS MASTER — Full Measurements
SUITSUPPLY MASTER MEASUREMENTS — captured in INCHES, Aug 16 2026
Source: owner-supplied screenshots of the Suitsupply "Create Jacket / Trousers / Waistcoat Size" dialogs with the unit toggle set to "in".
These are the SAME three profiles already in the Size Passport tab, displayed in inches and showing the FULL field list rather than only the adjusted fields.
BASIS: FINISHED GARMENT measurements of the adjusted pattern. The dialog states "Make adjustments by measuring a garment that already fits you." These are NOT body measurements.
*** THE UNIT CONVENTION IS NOW RESOLVED — THIS SUPERSEDES EVERY "UNIT INCONSISTENCY" WARNING IN THIS WORKBOOK ***
RULE: WIDTH fields are HALF / FLAT. Double them to get a circumference. LENGTH fields are DIRECT — no doubling.
Both conventions live inside a single profile. It was never a generational split. The field-by-field theory recorded on the Size Passport tab was correct.
PROOF — the stored cm profiles decode exactly under this rule:
| Field | Shown (in) | x2.54 (cm) | Doubled (cm) | Stored cm | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jacket length | 29.4 | 74.68 | 149.35 | 74.5 | DIRECT match |
| Jacket shoulder width | 17.2 | 43.69 | 87.38 | 43.5 | DIRECT match |
| Jacket front length | 31.2 | 79.25 | 158.5 | 79 | DIRECT match |
| Jacket waist width | 18.8 | 47.75 | 95.5 | 96 | DOUBLED match |
| Jacket hip width | 18.8 | 47.75 | 95.5 | 95 | DOUBLED match |
| Trouser waist width | 16.2 | 41.15 | 82.3 | 82 | DOUBLED match |
| Trouser upper leg width | 10 | 25.4 | 50.8 | 51 | DOUBLED match |
| Trouser foot opening width | 6.8 | 17.27 | 34.54 | 35 | DOUBLED match |
| Trouser inside leg | 29.8 | 75.69 | 151.38 | 75.5 | DIRECT match |
| Waistcoat chest width | 19.4 | 49.28 | 98.55 | 99 | DOUBLED match |
THREE INDEPENDENT CHECKS THAT THE WIDTH FIELDS ARE FLAT:
1. Sleeve opening 5.4 flat -> 10.8 in around. Black Lapel wrist 10.75 in; Oliver Wicks wrist 27.2 cm = 10.71 in. Three-way agreement.
2. Bicep "around" reads 7.8 — impossible as a real circumference. Doubled = 15.6; Black Lapel bicep 15.25 in.
3. Trouser foot opening 6.8 flat -> 13.6 in around, against the MTM Spec Sheet's VERIFIED leg opening of 13.5 in full circumference. Independent confirmation from a different tab.
JACKET — Size 36 Havana · profile "length/width20260218" · CURRENT
Adjusting Size 36. Owner confirms there are NO fields below Sleeve rotation — this is the complete list.
| Field | Shown | Convention | Full (in) | Full (cm) | Stored cm | Adjusted? | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chest width | 20 | width | 40 | 101.6 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. Size 36 Havana default — never adjusted. 40.0 in around vs a 38 in body chest = only +2 in ease. |
| Waist width | 18.8 | width | 37.6 | 95.5 | 96 | ADJUSTED | |
| Jacket length | 29.4 | length | 29.4 | 74.68 | 74.5 | ADJUSTED | |
| Sleeve length right | 24.4 | length | 24.4 | 61.98 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. Never adjusted. Black Lapel sleeve reads 24.5 in. |
| Sleeve length left | 24.4 | length | 24.4 | 61.98 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. Never adjusted. |
| Hip width | 18.8 | width | 37.6 | 95.5 | 95 | ADJUSTED | |
| Shoulder width | 17.2 | length | 17.2 | 43.69 | 43.5 | ADJUSTED | THE ANCHOR NUMBER. Hangrr body reads 17.2 independently. |
| Back width | 8.2 | width | 16.4 | 41.66 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. 16.4 in across the back. |
| Vent length | 9.8 | length | 9.8 | 24.89 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. |
| Front length | 31.2 | length | 31.2 | 79.25 | 79 | ADJUSTED | Black Lapel front jacket length reads 31.5 in. |
| Front panel width | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. | ||
| Skirt | -0.2 | dropdown | -0.2 | -0.51 | -1 | ADJUSTED | DISCREPANCY. -0.2 in = -0.51 cm, but the Feb 18 capture recorded -1.0 cm. Every other dropdown converts exactly. Live screen treated as authoritative; the earlier -1.0 is presumed a misread. UNRESOLVED. |
| Bicep around | 7.8 | width | 15.6 | 39.62 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. 15.6 in around. Field name says "around" but the value is flat. |
| Sleeve opening width | 5.4 | width | 10.8 | 27.43 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. 10.8 in around. |
| Upper arm & armhole | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Reduce. Converts exactly. |
| Collar height | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Reduce. Converts exactly. |
| Collar width | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. | ||
| Posture | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Backward. Converts exactly. |
| Shoulder height right | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Sloped shoulder. Converts exactly. |
| Shoulder height left | -0.2 | dropdown | -0.2 | -0.51 | -0.5 | ADJUSTED | Sloped shoulder. Right drops more than left. |
| Closing button height | -0.6 | dropdown | -0.6 | -1.52 | -1.5 | ADJUSTED | Lower slightly. Converts exactly. |
| Armhole | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. | ||
| Sleeve rotation | 0.2 | dropdown | 0.2 | 0.51 | 0.5 | ADJUSTED | Rotate. Converts exactly. LAST FIELD — owner confirms nothing below. |
Adjustment count on this screen: 13. Profile on file states 13. MATCH — confirms this screen is the CURRENT profile.
TROUSERS — Size 28 Brescia Slim Leg · profile "shortened20260218" · CURRENT
Adjusting Size 28. Advanced options expanded; Flat seat is the last field.
| Field | Shown | Convention | Full (in) | Full (cm) | Stored cm | Adjusted? | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Waist width | 16.2 | width | 32.4 | 82.3 | 82 | ADJUSTED | 32.4 in around. Black Lapel pants waist reads 32 in. |
| Seat width | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW — but NO NUMBER IS PUBLISHED. The governing dimension still has no finished figure. See gap note below. | ||
| Upper leg width | 10 | width | 20 | 50.8 | 51 | ADJUSTED | MEASURED 6 IN BELOW THE CROTCH — not at the crotch. 20.0 in around AT THAT POINT. It is NOT comparable to a body thigh taken at the thickest point, and NOT the number to hand a maker who measures at the crotch. See the correction block below. |
| Lower leg width | 8 | width | 16 | 40.64 | 41 | ADJUSTED | KNEE = 16.0 in around. Black Lapel knee reads 16.5 in. |
| Foot opening width | 6.8 | width | 13.6 | 34.54 | 35 | ADJUSTED | LEG OPENING = 13.6 in around. MTM Spec Sheet target is 13.5 in. Confirmed. |
| Inside leg right | 29.8 | length | 29.8 | 75.69 | 75.5 | ADJUSTED | INSEAM. Spec Sheet carried 31 in as INFERRED — correct it to 29.8. |
| Inside leg left | 29.8 | length | 29.8 | 75.69 | 75.5 | ADJUSTED | |
| Front rise | 8.6 | length | 8.6 | 21.84 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. BELOW the Spec Sheet's stated 9-10 in VERIFIED range. See flag below. |
| Back rise | 14.2 | length | 14.2 | 36.07 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. Inside the Spec Sheet's 14-15 in range. Front-to-back difference is +5.6 in. |
| Hip width | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. No number published. | ||
| Crotch | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. No number published. | ||
| Flat seat | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Reduce. Converts exactly. This is the ONLY seat-shaping adjustment on the profile. |
Adjustment count on this screen: 7. Profile on file states 7. MATCH — confirms this screen is the CURRENT profile.
WAISTCOAT — Size 36 Ferrara · Plano profile · CURRENT, never revised
Adjusting Size 36. Advanced options expanded; Front length is the last field.
| Field | Shown | Convention | Full (in) | Full (cm) | Stored cm | Adjusted? | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chest width | 19.4 | width | 38.8 | 98.55 | 99 | ADJUSTED | 38.8 in around — 1.2 in narrower than the jacket chest, as expected for a garment worn under it. |
| Waist width | 17.8 | width | 35.6 | 90.42 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. 35.6 in around — 2 in less than the jacket waist. |
| Hip width | 18.8 | width | 37.6 | 95.5 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. 37.6 in around — IDENTICAL to the jacket hip. |
| Waistcoat length | 23.2 | length | 23.2 | 58.93 | (never captured) | stock | NEW. |
| Front panel width | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. | ||
| Posture | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. NOTE: the jacket carries Posture -0.4 Backward. The waistcoat does not. | ||
| Shoulder height right | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. NOTE: the jacket corrects a sloped right shoulder -0.4. The waistcoat does not. | ||
| Shoulder height left | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. NOTE: the jacket corrects a sloped left shoulder -0.2. The waistcoat does not. | ||
| Armhole | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. | ||
| Armhole around | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Reduce. Converts exactly. |
| Closing button height | -0.4 | dropdown | -0.4 | -1.02 | -1 | ADJUSTED | Lower slightly. Converts exactly. |
| Front length | Standard | dropdown | (never captured) | stock | NEW. LAST FIELD. |
Adjustment count on this screen: 3. Profile on file states 3. MATCH — confirms this screen is the CURRENT profile.
*** THE FINISHED-GARMENT BLOCK — this is what to hand any new maker ***
All figures FULL CIRCUMFERENCE in inches unless the row says otherwise. Derived by doubling the flat width fields above. GARMENT, not body.
| Garment | Dimension | Finished (in) | Convention | |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Jacket | Chest | 40 | circumference | |
| Jacket | Waist | 37.6 | circumference | |
| Jacket | Hip | 37.6 | circumference | |
| Jacket | Shoulder | 17.2 | seam to seam | |
| Jacket | Back width | 16.4 | circumference-basis flat x2 | |
| Jacket | Sleeve length | 24.4 | direct | |
| Jacket | Bicep | 15.6 | circumference | |
| Jacket | Sleeve opening / wrist | 10.8 | circumference | |
| Jacket | Length | 29.4 | direct | |
| Jacket | Front length | 31.2 | direct | |
| Jacket | Vent length | 9.8 | direct | |
| Trousers | Waist | 32.4 | circumference | |
| Trousers | Seat | NOT PUBLISHED | dropdown reads Standard | |
| Trousers | Thigh | 20 | circumference | |
| Trousers | Knee | 16 | circumference | |
| Trousers | Leg opening | 13.6 | circumference | |
| Trousers | Inseam | 29.8 | direct | |
| Trousers | Front rise | 8.6 | direct | |
| Trousers | Back rise | 14.2 | direct | |
| Trousers | Outseam (derived) | 38.4 | inseam + front rise | |
| Waistcoat | Chest | 38.8 | circumference | |
| Waistcoat | Waist | 35.6 | circumference | |
| Waistcoat | Hip | 37.6 | circumference | |
| Waistcoat | Length | 23.2 | direct |
WHAT THIS CAPTURE CHANGES — read before using any older note
1. UNIT RISK CLOSED for the jacket, trousers and waistcoat. Width = flat, double it. Length = direct. The "2x error on the waist" warning on the MTM Spec Sheet and THE REFERENCE tab is retired for these three garments.
2. THE FEB 18 TROUSER REVISION CHANGED ONE THING ONLY — the inseam, 1 cm shorter. Converted to a common convention, Plano and Feb 18 are IDENTICAL on waist (41 flat), upper leg (25.5), lower leg (20.5) and foot opening (17.5). The Size Passport tab currently reads those as real changes ("was -0.5 / 25.5 cm"). They were a display-unit switch, not an alteration.
3. BLACK LAPEL IS A DERIVATIVE, NOT CORROBORATION — now proven, not suspected. Jacket chest matches to 0.0 in, and sleeve, jacket length, front length and shoulder all match within 0.35 in. "SS measurements" = Suitsupply, confirmed. The only genuinely independent shoulder readings remain Suitsupply 17.13-17.2 and Hangrr 17.2.
4. WITHDRAWN Aug 16, 2026 — the Black Lapel thigh "outlier" was a measuring-point artifact, not a real 3 in discrepancy. Suitsupply measures the upper leg 6 IN BELOW THE CROTCH. See the correction block at the end of this tab.
5. INSEAM CORRECTED. The MTM Spec Sheet inseam of "31 in (about), INFERRED" should read 29.8 in, VERIFIED from the reference garment.
6. FRONT RISE CONFLICT. The Spec Sheet records front rise 9-10 in as VERIFIED with the centre at 9.5. The reference trouser reads 8.6 — below the whole stated range. Either the Spec Sheet range came from other trousers, or the reference trouser sits lower than believed. Do not average them; establish which garments each figure came from.
7. CHEST EASE IS ONLY +2 IN. Finished jacket chest 40.0 over a 38 in body chest. Oliver Wicks by contrast built 41.9 in. If the Suitsupply jackets feel right, +2 in is the target and Oliver Wicks is nearly 2 in too full.
8. THE SEAT IS STILL NOT PUBLISHED. Seat width, hip width and crotch on the trouser profile are all dropdowns reading "Standard", so no number exists for the single governing dimension. The only way to close it remains measuring a well-fitting trouser flat.
9. WAISTCOAT SHOULDER/POSTURE INCONSISTENCY. The jacket corrects posture (-0.4 backward) and both sloped shoulders (-0.4 R, -0.2 L). The waistcoat corrects neither and reads Standard on all three. Same body, same fitting. The waistcoat was reported as fitting perfectly, so this may not matter in practice — but the two profiles disagree about the body.
10. OPEN: the jacket Skirt value. Live screen -0.2 in (= -0.5 cm); the earlier Feb 18 capture recorded -1.0 cm. Every other field on all three garments converts exactly, so the -1.0 is probably a misread — but it is not proven.
*** CORRECTION — MEASURING POINTS. Added Aug 16, 2026. Owner-supplied. ***
SUITSUPPLY MEASURES "UPPER LEG WIDTH" 6 INCHES BELOW THE CROTCH. Many makers — and most body-measurement instructions — take the thigh AT the crotch, at the thickest point.
WHAT THIS BREAKS:
• The "+1.0 in of thigh ease" figure recorded earlier today is WRONG. It compared a garment width taken 6 in down against a body thigh taken at the thickest point. Those are different places on the leg.
• The "Black Lapel thigh is 3 in wider" finding is WITHDRAWN. Black Lapel's measuring point is unknown; the gap may be mostly or entirely an artifact.
• Any instruction to hand a maker "thigh 20.0 in" is UNSAFE. A maker measuring at the crotch would cut the trouser roughly 1.5 in too narrow through the seat and upper thigh — the exact failure this project keeps hitting, in the opposite direction.
ESTIMATED CROTCH-LEVEL EQUIVALENT — ESTIMATE, NOT VERIFIED:
Taper from the 6 in point (20.0 in around) to the hem (13.6 in around) over 23.8 in of leg = 0.269 in per inch of length.
Extrapolated up 6 in to the crotch: approx 21.6 in around. Implied ease over a 19 in body thigh: approx +2.6 in.
TREAT 21.6 AS A FLOOR, NOT A TARGET. The extrapolation assumes a linear taper. Real trousers narrow FASTEST in the first few inches below the crotch, so the true crotch-level width is probably wider than 21.6 — meaning the true ease is more than +2.6 in.
Against that estimate the Black Lapel thigh of 23 in is roughly 1.4 in wider, not 3 in — and possibly not wider at all, depending on where Black Lapel measures.
THE GENERAL LESSON — THIS IS BIGGER THAN THE THIGH:
Every field name on the Suitsupply dialog carries a defined measuring point behind its "i" tooltip, and this workbook has been mapping those names onto generic terms (upper leg -> thigh, lower leg -> knee) without reading them. The unit convention is now solved; the MEASURING POINT convention is not.
CONFIRMED so far: upper leg width = 6 in below the crotch (owner-supplied).
UNCONFIRMED and in active use: lower leg width (assumed knee), waist width (assumed at the waistband), front rise and back rise (start and end points unstated), jacket chest / waist / hip (heights on the body unstated), back width, bicep around.
NEXT ACTION: open the "i" tooltip on each field and record the definition verbatim. That is the last structural unknown in the Suitsupply reference. Until then, every ease figure derived from it is provisional.
WHAT SURVIVES UNCHANGED: the unit rule (width = flat, double it; length = direct), every cm-to-inch reconciliation, the adjustment counts, the finding that the Feb 18 trouser revision only shortened the inseam, and the finding that Black Lapel is a transcription of Suitsupply rather than independent corroboration. Measuring points affect what the numbers MEAN across brands, not whether they were read correctly.
*** CROSS-BRAND FIELD MAP — PROPER CLOTH <-> SUITSUPPLY. Owner-directed, Aug 16, 2026 ***
STATUS: WORKING EQUIVALENCE, set by the owner. The Proper Cloth side is verified from their published measuring guide. The Suitsupply side is NOT — those field definitions have not been read. Use it, but know which half is evidence.
| Proper Cloth field | Suitsupply field | PC value (flat in) | PC circ (in) | Position — PC definition (verified) | Position — SS (UNVERIFIED) | Confidence |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chest width | Chest width | 21.2 | 42.4 | Across the shirt laid flat, at the chest | Assumed the same | Reasonable |
| Midsection width | Waist width | 17.5 | 35 | The narrowest part of the body, roughly halfway between the armpits and the bottom of the shirt. Explicitly NOT necessarily at the side seams. (A second PC page instead defines it as the geometric midpoint between armpit and side-seam bottom.) | Assumed to be the narrowest point of the shirt body — OWNER-ASSERTED, not read from the field definition | ROUGHLY the same position. Not confirmed. |
| Bottom width | Hip width | 19.4 | 38.8 | The width of the shirt at the BOTTOM OF THE SIDE SEAMS — a structural landmark, not a body landmark | Assumed to be at or near the shirt hem | ROUGHLY the same position. Not confirmed. |
| Yoke width | Shoulder width | 17.1 | n/a — direct | Where the yoke meets the sleeve, straight across, to the same point on the other side (seam to seam, flat chord) | Unread. Suitsupply's captured SHIRT shoulder reads 18.31 in on this body vs PC 17.10 — a 1.21 in gap that is part fit-preference and part possibly definitional | LOW — do not transfer until the tooltip is read |
| Sleeve length | Sleeve length | 34.3 | n/a — direct | Centre back of collar, along the yoke, down to the cuff edge | Assumed the same | Reasonable |
| Collar around | Collar around | 15.4 | n/a — direct | True circumference | Assumed the same | Reasonable |
*** THE USEFUL CONSEQUENCE — NO CONVERSION IS NEEDED ***
Proper Cloth stores Chest / Midsection / Bottom / Sleeve Width as FLAT half-measures (their words: multiply by 2 for circumference). Suitsupply width fields were proven FLAT today as well. Both sides of this map are therefore in the SAME convention.
So Proper Cloth flat inches can be typed straight into Suitsupply inch width fields with NO doubling and NO unit maths. That is the practical payoff of resolving the Suitsupply unit question. The only remaining variable is WHERE each field is measured, not what scale it is in.
THREE THINGS TO KNOW BEFORE RELYING ON THIS MAP:
1. "ROUGHLY the same position" is doing real work on the midsection row. Proper Cloth states the midsection point MOVES with back length — a longer shirt lowers the point at which it is measured. His back length ran 32 -> 31 -> 31 across the three Reda wovens, so even within Proper Cloth the midsection was not always taken at the same height on the body. Mapping it onto a fixed Suitsupply "waist" inherits that drift.
2. MIDSECTION AND BOTTOM ARE ONLY ABOUT 1.9 IN APART (17.5 vs 19.4 flat). If the Suitsupply waist and hip points sit higher or lower than the Proper Cloth ones, the two numbers get applied at the wrong heights and the shirt takes on the wrong shape through the body — a swap, not a scaling error. Vertical position matters more here than on any other field.
3. TOLERANCE. Proper Cloth accepts +/-0.25 in on Midsection Width and on Bottom Width. Do not carry these to the second decimal into another brand's form.
SANITY CHECK — the mapped numbers are not absurd:
Shirt waist 17.5 flat vs Suitsupply JACKET waist 18.8 flat — shirt narrower than the jacket worn over it. Correct direction.
Shirt hem 19.4 flat vs Suitsupply JACKET hip 18.8 flat — shirt flares at the hem, jacket stays fitted. Correct direction.
Neither check validates the POSITION. They only confirm the values are not nonsense.
Size Passport
Size Passport — measurement profiles by brand
MEASUREMENT BASIS DIFFERS BY BRAND — DO NOT COMPARE NUMBERS ACROSS BRANDS WITHOUT CONVERTING FOR EASE. Hangrr stores BODY measurements (inches). Oliver Wicks publishes FINISHED GARMENT measurements including ease (cm). Suitsupply publishes GARMENT ADJUSTMENTS off a base pattern size (cm). Black Lapel publishes derived PATTERN values (inches). Sartoro publishes nothing. Values below are verbatim from the account screens.
| Brand | Profile / Garment | Base Size | Fit / Model | Profile Name | Created | Status | Measurement | Value | Change / Adjustment |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sartoro | All garments (jackets, pants, vests, shirts) | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Fit_Profile: Jan 28, 2025 | Jan 28, 2025 (digital tailor measurements) | ACTIVE — unchanged across all 33 orders | NOT PUBLISHED | — | Sartoro does not expose the underlying measurements in the customer account. Every expanded line item shows only the profile date and customer_note 'digital tailor measurements'. |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana - Havana fit | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 (in-store) | SUPERSEDED by the Feb 18, 2026 jacket profile | 12 adjustments | see rows below | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Waist width | 46.5 cm | +1.5 |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Jacket length | 73 cm | -1.0 |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Hip width | 47.5 cm | -1.0 |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Shoulder width | 43.5 cm | -0.5 |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Skirt | (-0.5 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Upper arm & armhole | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Collar height | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Posture | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Shoulder height right | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Shoulder height left | (-0.5 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Closing button height | (-1.5 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Sleeve rotation | (0.5 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana - Havana fit | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | 13 adjustments | see rows below | Revised the SAME DAY the Dark Blue Bird's eye suit (order 04119572340) was delivered. |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Waist width | 96 cm | +6.0 (was +1.5 / 46.5 cm — note the units changed too) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Jacket length | 74.5 cm | +0.5 (was -1.0 / 73 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Hip width | 95 cm | -2.0 (was -1.0 / 47.5 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Shoulder width | 43.5 cm | -0.5 (unchanged) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Front length | 79 cm | +1.5 (NEW — not in the Plano profile) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Skirt | (-1.0 cm) | was (-0.5 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Upper arm & armhole | (-1.0 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Collar height | (-1.0 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Posture | (-1.0 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Shoulder height right | (-1.0 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Shoulder height left | (-0.5 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Closing button height | (-1.5 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Jacket | 36 | Havana | length/width20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Sleeve rotation | (0.5 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 (in-store) | SUPERSEDED by shortened20260218 | 7 adjustments | see rows below | |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Waist width | 41 cm | +2.0 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Upper leg width | 25.5 cm | -0.5 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Lower leg width | 20.5 cm | -0.5 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Foot opening width | 17.5 cm | -0.5 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Inside leg right | 76.5 cm | -6.0 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Inside leg left | 76.5 cm | -6.0 |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | SUPERSEDED | Flat seat | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | 7 adjustments | see rows below | Name literally says 'shortened' — created the same day the Feb 18 suit landed. |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Waist width | 82 cm | +4.0 (was +2.0 / 41 cm — units changed) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Upper leg width | 51 cm | -1.0 (was -0.5 / 25.5 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Lower leg width | 41 cm | -1.0 (was -0.5 / 20.5 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Foot opening width | 35 cm | -1.0 (was -0.5 / 17.5 cm) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Inside leg right | 75.5 cm | -7.0 (was -6.0 / 76.5 cm — 1 cm shorter) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Inside leg left | 75.5 cm | -7.0 (was -6.0 / 76.5 cm — 1 cm shorter) |
| Suitsupply | Trousers | 28 | Brescia - Slim Leg | shortened20260218 | Online, Feb 18, 2026 | CURRENT | Flat seat | (-1.0 cm) | unchanged |
| Suitsupply | Waistcoat | 36 | Ferrara fit | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 (in-store) | CURRENT — never revised | 3 adjustments | see rows below | No Feb 18 revision exists for the waistcoat. |
| Suitsupply | Waistcoat | 36 | Ferrara fit | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT | Chest width | 99 cm | +2.0 |
| Suitsupply | Waistcoat | 36 | Ferrara fit | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT | Armhole around | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Suitsupply | Waistcoat | 36 | Ferrara fit | (unnamed) | Plano, on or before Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT | Closing button height | (-1.0 cm) | |
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | (not shown) | (unnamed) | (date not shown) | CURRENT | FINAL GARMENT measurements | see rows below | Oliver Wicks states these are finished-garment numbers INCLUDING ease, NOT body measurements. |
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Jacket chest | 106.4 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Jacket waist | 92.2 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Jacket length | 72.4 cm | +5 cm PENDING for next order | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Sleeve length | 60.3 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Wrist | 27.2 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Biceps | 37 cm | +1.5 cm PENDING for next order | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Jacket | n/a | CURRENT | Shoulders | 45.4 cm | -1 cm PENDING for next order | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a — made to measure | (not shown) | (unnamed) | (date not shown) | CURRENT | FINAL GARMENT measurements | see rows below | |
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a | CURRENT | Pants length | 100.6 cm | Adjust (change cut off on screen) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a | CURRENT | Pants waist | 81.3 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a | CURRENT | Pants hips | 95.6 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a | GAP | Thigh | NOT CAPTURED | Row was cut off by the browser bar — rescreenshot needed | |||
| Oliver Wicks | Pants | n/a | CURRENT | Leg opening | 35 cm | Adjust (no pending change) | |||
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Neck | 14.75 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Chest | 41.25 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Stomach | 36.5 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Seat | 38 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Shoulder point to point | 18 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Left sleeve length | 25 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Right sleeve length | 25 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Bicep | 15 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Wrist | 9.75 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Shirt length | 30 in | |
| Black Lapel | Shirt | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Shirt Pattern | Jul 1, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Short sleeve | 8.5 in | |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Chest | 40.0 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Stomach | 36.0 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Seat | 38.5 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Shoulder point to point | 17.25 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Left sleeve length | 24.5 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Right sleeve length | 24.5 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Bicep | 15.25 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Wrist | 10.75 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Front jacket length | 31.5 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | jacket based on SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Jacket length | 29.75 in | Screen cut off below Jacket length — there may be further measurements not captured. |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Waist | 32 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Pants seat | 38.0 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Crotch | 24.0 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Thigh | 23.0 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Knee | 16.5 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Ankle | 13 in | |
| Black Lapel | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Pants Pattern from SS measurements | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Outseam | 39 in | |
| Black Lapel | Vest | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Vest Pattern from SS measurements-double check front l… (name truncated on screen) | (date not shown) | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Chest | 39.0 in | The pattern NAME contains an unresolved to-do: 'double check front length'. |
| Black Lapel | Vest | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Vest Pattern from SS measurements-double check front l… (name truncated on screen) | (date not shown) | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Stomach | 35.75 in | The pattern NAME contains an unresolved to-do: 'double check front length'. |
| Black Lapel | Vest | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Vest Pattern from SS measurements-double check front l… (name truncated on screen) | (date not shown) | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Seat | 37.5 in | The pattern NAME contains an unresolved to-do: 'double check front length'. |
| Black Lapel | Vest | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Vest Pattern from SS measurements-double check front l… (name truncated on screen) | (date not shown) | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Shoulder point to point | 17.25 in | The pattern NAME contains an unresolved to-do: 'double check front length'. |
| Black Lapel | Vest | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Vest Pattern from SS measurements-double check front l… (name truncated on screen) | (date not shown) | CURRENT — site-stated DEFAULT | Vest front length | 30.75 in | The pattern NAME contains an unresolved to-do: 'double check front length'. |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Chest | 41.25 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Stomach | 37 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Seat | 37 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Shoulder point to point | 18 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Left sleeve length | 25.75 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Right sleeve length | 25.75 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Bicep | 15.25 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Wrist | 10.75 in | |
| Black Lapel | Overcoat | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Overcoat Pattern | May 7, 2025 | ON FILE — default not stated on screen | Front jacket length | 30.75 in | |
| Hangrr | Body | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Chest | 38 in | |
| Hangrr | Body | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Tummy | 33.5 in | |
| Hangrr | Body | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Waist | 32.75 in | |
| Hangrr | Body | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Hips | 35.75 in | |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Jacket waist | 0 in | Reads 0 in — field appears unset rather than measured. |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Neck | 16.3 in | |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Bicep | 12.3 in | 12.3 in is a BODY measurement and is NOT comparable to Black Lapel's 15.25 in pattern value or Oliver Wicks' 14.57 in garment value. Implied ease vs the Oliver Wicks garment is +2.27 in, in line with the chest (+3.89) and waist (+3.55) ease from that same jacket. This number is consistent, not anomalous. |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Sleeve length | 24.4 in | |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Jacket length | 30.5 in | |
| Hangrr | Jacket | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Shoulder | 17.2 in | 17.2 in body. Shoulder is the one measurement where body and garment figures are roughly comparable (observed ease only +0.67 in), so this genuinely does agree with Suitsupply 17.13 and Black Lapel 17.25. |
| Hangrr | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Pant length | 40 in | |
| Hangrr | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Crotch | 24 in | |
| Hangrr | Pants | n/a — made to measure | n/a | Full Measurements (saved sizing profile) | (no date shown on screen) | CURRENT | Thigh | 19 in | |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Collar around | 40 cm (15.75 in) | +1.5 |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Chest width | 113 cm (44.49 in) | +2.0 |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Cuff width LEFT | 24.5 cm (9.65 in) | +2.0 |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Shoulder width | 46.5 cm (18.31 in) | +0.5 |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Shoulder height right | -1.0 cm | |
| Suitsupply | Shirt | 15 | Standard fit | 2025 Tailored Fit | Plano — "a year ago" (relative date; see note) | OLD ACCOUNT — 6 adjustments | Shoulder height left | -1.0 cm |
Notes:
• SARTORO IS THE BIG GAP. Sartoro does not publish measurements anywhere in the customer account — only the profile date (Jan 28, 2025) and the note 'digital tailor measurements'. To reconstruct it you have to ask Sartoro support directly for the profile, or measure the garments yourself. Every one of the 42 Sartoro garments was cut to that single unchanged profile.
• SUITSUPPLY HAS EXACTLY TWO GENERATIONS, not five: the Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025) created three profiles — one each for jacket, trousers and waistcoat — and Feb 18, 2026 revised two of them online (jacket and trousers). The waistcoat was never revised. Three profile CARDS from Plano is one FITTING, which matches 'only one before the Feb date'. || CORRECTED Aug 2026: this is NOT an oversight. The Plano waistcoat fit perfectly and deliberately needed no revision. The Feb 18 jacket and trouser changes were Jesse's own small tweaks, not error corrections.
• The Feb 18, 2026 revision is not a coincidence: order 04119572340 (Dark Blue Bird's eye three-piece) was DELIVERED Feb 18, 2026, and both revised profiles were created online that same day. The trouser profile is literally named 'shortened'.
• WATCH THE UNITS. On the Plano jacket, Waist width reads 46.5 cm; on the Feb 18 jacket it reads 96 cm. Same for trousers (41 cm vs 82 cm). Suitsupply appears to switch between a half-measure and a full circumference between profile versions, so the two generations are NOT directly comparable on width. Verify with Suitsupply before using either number to order.
• Which garments were cut to which Suitsupply profile is INFERRED, not confirmed — Suitsupply never showed an order date on any screen, only delivery. The inference uses the order-number sequence (PSUS02480464 < 04119572340 < 04123377141 < 04125554953 < 04127707425 < 04130095970) and delivery dates.
• OLIVER WICKS publishes the opposite of Suitsupply: final garment measurements including ease, plus a 'Change' column holding what will be applied to the NEXT order. Three changes are queued and unapplied: jacket length +5 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, shoulders -1 cm. Any Oliver Wicks garment already delivered was made WITHOUT those changes.
• Oliver Wicks pants Thigh measurement was cut off by the browser bar and is the one missing number.
• BLACK LAPEL publishes a third format again: BODY-STYLE pattern measurements in INCHES, editable directly in the account, one pattern per garment type (Shirt / Jacket / Pants / Vest / Overcoat). Sartoro publishes nothing, Suitsupply publishes adjustments off a base size in cm, Oliver Wicks publishes finished-garment numbers in cm.
• The Black Lapel Jacket, Pants and Vest patterns are all named 'from SS measurements' and all dated Nov 7, 2025 — 'SS' is almost certainly SUITSUPPLY, meaning the Plano in-store fitting is what seeded the Black Lapel patterns. Confirm before treating them as an independent measuring session.
• TIMING PROBLEM: both Black Lapel garments in this inventory shipped in Aug–Oct 2025, BEFORE the Nov 7, 2025 patterns were created. Whatever pattern they were actually cut to is not on the captured screens.
• The Shirt (Jul 1, 2025) and Overcoat (May 7, 2025) cards did NOT display the 'this is your default Pattern' notice that the Jacket, Pants and Vest cards did — so it is unconfirmed whether those two are the active defaults.
• Chest is not consistent across Black Lapel patterns: Jacket 40.00 in, Vest 39.00 in, Shirt and Overcoat 41.25 in. Shoulder point to point: 17.25 in on jacket/vest, 18 in on shirt/overcoat.
• FITTING DATE TIGHTENED. The Plano fitting was previously dated '~Dec 2025' here, inferred from the first Suitsupply delivery (Dec 19, 2025). Jesse confirms he rebuilt the Black Lapel patterns AFTER that fitting, and those patterns are dated Nov 7, 2025 — so the fitting happened ON OR BEFORE Nov 7, 2025, earlier than this workbook assumed. Still not a confirmed date; it is now an upper bound.
• The Suitsupply jacket shoulder width of 43.5 cm converts to 17.13 in, which rounds to 17.25 in at the nearest quarter — exactly the value the Nov 7, 2025 Black Lapel Jacket and Vest patterns carry. That is strong support for 'SS measurements' meaning Suitsupply, though the two brands may not define the shoulder measurement identically.
• See the 'Alterations & Fit History' tab for the post-delivery alterations and the full cross-brand shoulder comparison.
• HANGRR publishes a full editable BODY profile in inches — the most complete self-serve measurement set of any brand here, and the only one that captures tummy, hips, crotch and thigh alongside the jacket numbers.
• Hangrr's shoulder reads 17.2 in, sitting between Suitsupply (17.13) and Black Lapel (17.25). All three post-Suitsupply brands now agree on roughly 17.2. Only the un-rebuilt Black Lapel Shirt and Overcoat patterns (18 in) and the un-applied Oliver Wicks profile (17.87 in) are still on the old wide shoulder.
• BICEP — CORRECTED. Hangrr's 12.3 in is a BODY measurement. Black Lapel's 15.25 in is a pattern value and Oliver Wicks' 14.57 in is a finished-garment value; both include ease, so the apparent ~3 in gap is not a discrepancy. See the corrected analysis on the 'Alterations & Fit History' tab.
• JACKET WAIST reads 0 in. That is almost certainly an unset field rather than a measurement, and it means Hangrr is drafting the jacket waist from something other than a stated number.
• The Hangrr profile carries NO date, so there is no way to tell from the screen whether it predates or postdates the March and May 2026 orders.
• BASIS IS THE THING TO WATCH ON THIS TAB. Four brands, four conventions: Hangrr BODY (in), Oliver Wicks FINISHED GARMENT (cm), Suitsupply GARMENT ADJUSTMENTS off a base size (cm), Black Lapel derived PATTERN values (in). A raw number-to-number comparison across brands is meaningless except at the shoulder, where observed ease is only +0.67 in.
• SUITSUPPLY SHIRT PROFILE ADDED (this session). Source: owner-supplied Size Passport screen from the OLDER Suitsupply account. This is the FOURTH Suitsupply profile and the first for a shirt — the workbook previously held only Jacket, Trousers and Waistcoat.
• IT IS CONFIRMED AS THE PATTERN BEHIND BOTH CUSTOM MADE SHIRTS. Order 0466666362's confirmation email reads "Size 15 / Fit: Standard fit", matching this profile exactly.
• DATE: the screen says "created Plano, a year ago". That is a rounded relative date. The shirts cut from it were ordered Mar and May 2025, and the Mar order was placed AT Plano, so creation is most likely ~Mar 2025 — roughly EIGHT MONTHS BEFORE the Plano suit fitting. Plano is a relationship, not a single visit.
• DO NOT COMPARE THE SHIRT SHOULDER TO THE JACKET SHOULDER WITHOUT THINKING. Shirt shoulder width reads 46.5 cm (18.31 in); the jacket profile reads 43.5 cm (17.13 in). A 3 cm difference is roughly 1.5 cm of shoulder drop per side, which is ordinary for a shirt over a body — so these are probably ONE body measured on TWO garment classes, not a contradiction. This is the same trap the Proper Cloth woven-vs-knit note warns about, one level up.
• CONSEQUENCE — THE BLACK LAPEL SHIRT VERDICT IS CHALLENGED, NOT OVERTURNED. That shirt was condemned for an 18.00 in shoulder by comparison against Suitsupply's JACKET figure of 17.13 in. Against Suitsupply's own SHIRT figure of 18.31 in, 18.00 in looks defensible. Do not lift the "do not order" flag until the owner has tried the Lyocell Silk shirts on and reported where the shoulder seam lands.
• CORRECTED Aug 16, 2026 — THE "YOKE PANEL" CLAIM WAS WRONG. Proper Cloth's own measuring guide says: button the shirt, spread it out on its front, measure from the point where the yoke meets the sleeve, straight across, to the same point on the other side. The yoke meets the sleeve AT THE SHOULDER SEAM, so PC yoke width IS shoulder-seam to shoulder-seam. Their fit article is titled "How the Shoulder/Yoke Width Should Fit" — they use the terms interchangeably. Source: propercloth.com/reference/how-to-measure-a-shirt-yoke-width/, verified Aug 16 2026. Proper Cloth 17.10 should NOT have been discounted from the shoulder cluster. What DOES still stand: Black Lapel 17.25 is a transcription of Suitsupply, not independent; and a shirt shoulder is not a jacket shoulder.
• UNIT INCONSISTENCY IS WORSE THAN RECORDED. The workbook frames half-measure vs circumference as a difference BETWEEN generations (Plano 46.5 vs Feb 18 96). This shirt profile shows it varies WITHIN one generation: "Chest width" 113 cm can only be a circumference (a half-measure would imply a 226 cm chest), while Plano "Waist width" 46.5 cm appears to be a half-measure. The convention must be resolved FIELD BY FIELD, not by date.
• ASYMMETRY DISAGREEMENT BETWEEN TWO SUITSUPPLY PROFILES: this shirt drops BOTH shoulders equally (-1.0 / -1.0) while the jacket profile drops right -1.0 and left -0.5. Same brand, same store. One of them is wrong.
• Base size 15 here is independently corroborated by Charles Tyrwhitt (15 collar from Feb 2025) and Proper Cloth (15.00-15.50). The fulfilment emails call it "Size 38" — that is the same thing, a 38 cm collar.
SHIRT PROFILE — CORRECTED TARGETS FROM REAL WEAR, Aug 13 2026
- Owner alteration list for a re-order, against the as-built 2025 Tailored Fit profile:
SHOULDER WIDTH: as built 46.5 cm (18.31 in). Take in AT LEAST 0.5 in -> 45.2 cm (17.81 in) OR NARROWER. The +0.5 adjustment made at the fitting was in the wrong direction.
CHEST WIDTH: as built 113 cm (44.49 in). Take in about 1 in -> approx 110.5 cm (43.5 in). The +2.0 adjustment made at the fitting was roughly double what was wanted.
WAIST: no baseline published. Take in a good 1 in.
SLEEVE LENGTH: no baseline published. SHORTEN by 1 to 1.5 in. Largest single error.
COLLAR 40 cm and CUFF 24.5 cm: no complaint reported. Leave as built.
CORRECTION — MY EARLIER CHALLENGE TO THE BLACK LAPEL SHIRT VERDICT IS WITHDRAWN
- Earlier in this session the workbook note argued that the Black Lapel shirt shoulder of 18.00 in looked DEFENSIBLE, because Suitsupply's own SHIRT profile read 18.31 in and the original condemnation had compared it against the JACKET figure of 17.13 in. That challenge was recorded as "challenged, not overturned", pending a try-on.
- The try-on has now happened and it goes the other way. Suitsupply's 18.31 in shirt shoulder is TOO WIDE for this body - the owner wants at least 0.5 in taken out of it. The corrected shirt-shoulder target is 17.81 in or narrower, which sits BELOW the Black Lapel 18.00 in.
- THEREFORE: the original "DO NOT ORDER the Black Lapel shirt" verdict STANDS. It was right. The reasoning behind it was imperfect - it compared across garment classes - but the conclusion was correct, and 18.00 in is wider than this body wants in a shirt.
- What survives from the challenge: shirt and jacket shoulders are still NOT directly comparable, and a shirt shoulder does sit above a jacket shoulder. The corrected shirt target of about 17.8 in sits roughly 0.7 in above the jacket 17.13 in - real drop, but far less than the 1.2 in Suitsupply built in.
WHERE THE SHOULDER NUMBER NOW SITS ACROSS FOUR SOURCES
Suitsupply JACKET (locked, correct): 43.5 cm / 17.13 in
Proper Cloth yoke, Mar 2026 (working): 17.10 in [seam-to-seam, measured FLAT/straight across, garment; +/-0.25 in sewing tolerance]
Hangrr body measurement: 17.2 in
Suitsupply SHIRT as built (TOO WIDE): 46.5 cm / 18.31 in
Suitsupply SHIRT corrected target: approx 45.2 cm / 17.81 in or narrower
Black Lapel shirt (DO NOT ORDER): 18.00 in - above the corrected target
SUITSUPPLY FULL MEASUREMENTS IN INCHES — CAPTURED Aug 16, 2026. See the dedicated "SS MASTER — Full Measurements" tab for the complete field list of all three garments.
The unit warnings above are now RESOLVED, not open: width fields are HALF / FLAT, length fields are DIRECT. Adjustment counts confirm the captures are the CURRENT profiles (jacket 13, trousers 7, waistcoat 3 — all exact).
CORRECTION to the trouser rows above: the annotations reading "was -0.5 / 25.5 cm" on upper leg, lower leg and foot opening imply real changes at the Feb 18 revision. They are NOT changes. In a common convention those four widths are identical across both generations. Only the inside leg changed (-1.0 cm).
CORRECTION to the Black Lapel note above: "SS = Suitsupply, confirm before treating as an independent measuring session" is now CONFIRMED and the answer is that it is NOT independent. Jacket chest matches to 0.0 in.
NEW FIELDS never previously captured — jacket: chest, sleeve length L/R, back width, vent length, bicep, sleeve opening, front panel width, collar width, armhole. Trousers: seat width, front rise, back rise, hip width, crotch. Waistcoat: waist, hip, length, and six dropdowns.
STILL OPEN: trouser seat / hip / crotch publish no number (all dropdowns reading "Standard"), and the jacket Skirt value does not reconcile with the earlier Feb 18 capture (-0.2 in vs -1.0 cm on file).
*** YOKE WIDTH vs SHOULDER WIDTH — DEFINITION RESOLVED, Aug 16, 2026 (primary source) ***
QUESTION: is "yoke width" the same as "shoulder width"? For a SHIRT, at Proper Cloth: yes — same two endpoints.
Proper Cloth verbatim: "Button up the shirt and spread the shirt out on its front. Measure for the point where the yoke meets the sleeve, straight across, to the same point on the other side."
Tolerance, Proper Cloth verbatim: "We consider a tolerance of +0.25” to -0.25” acceptable for the Yoke Width dimension."
Source: https://propercloth.com/reference/how-to-measure-a-shirt-yoke-width/ — fetched and read Aug 16, 2026.
WHAT THIS CORRECTS:
• The note above claiming PC "yoke" measures the yoke PANEL rather than seam-to-seam was wrong, and the discount it applied to the 17.10 figure is withdrawn.
THREE QUALIFIERS THAT DO SURVIVE:
1. STRAIGHT ACROSS vs OVER THE SHOULDER. Proper Cloth measures a flat CHORD on a laid-out garment. Other makers measure the same endpoints but follow the curve over the top of the shoulders — Gambert: "from the outside seam, where the yoke joins the sleeve, across the top of the shoulders (below the collar) to the opposite side"; The Custom Shop: "taken directly across the top of the shoulder". Over-the-curve always reads LARGER than the flat chord. Same field name, different number.
2. A SHIRT SHOULDER IS NOT A JACKET SHOULDER. Suitsupply's own account proves it: shirt profile 18.31 in vs jacket 17.13 in, same body, same store.
3. THE CLUSTER IS PRECISE ONLY TO ABOUT HALF AN INCH. This workbook celebrates "four brands inside 0.15 in". Proper Cloth's stated sewing tolerance on that very dimension is +/-0.25 in — so a delivered 17.10 shirt is legitimately anywhere from 16.85 to 17.35. The agreement band is NARROWER THAN THE NOISE FLOOR of one of its own members. Treat roughly 17.2 as the shoulder figure; do not defend the second decimal.
CONNECTION TO THE SUITSUPPLY MEASURING-POINT AUDIT (same day, same class of error): "upper leg width" was assumed to mean thigh-at-the-crotch and does not; "yoke width" was assumed NOT to mean shoulder width and does. Both were assumptions about measuring points, made without reading the definition. Read the definition.
APPOSTA ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt, 3 Jul 2025, SHOULDER 18 IN (owner-confirmed). Measuring point UNREAD; Apposta field definitions have never been captured. Sits with Black Lapel 18.00 and Suitsupply shirt 18.31 in the superseded wide-shoulder cohort, ABOVE the corrected shirt target of about 17.8 or narrower and well above the Proper Cloth 17.1 that fits.
WEAR VERDICT ADDED Aug 16, 2026 — the APPOSTA shirt at 18 in is WEARABLE per the owner, and NOT as big as the Suitsupply shirts (18.31, judged too full). First fit record for that garment. CONSEQUENCE: a garment reading 18 is confirmed wearable, which sits awkwardly against the Black Lapel 18.00 DO NOT ORDER verdict reaffirmed earlier today. Conventions are unverified on both, so neither is resolved — see the full note on the "New Brands — Alex Crane etc" tab.
*** OLIVER WICKS JACKET — LENGTH WAS ALTERED. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "the oliver wicks jacket had to be lengthened. it was too short, so i really need to make sure it matches suit supply all the way around."
THIS CONVERTS A PENDING CHANGE INTO A PROVEN DEFECT. Jacket length +5 cm has been sitting in Oliver Wicks' pending column, unapplied, since before Nov 2025. The delivered garment was TOO SHORT and had to be lengthened after the fact.
AS BUILT: Oliver Wicks jacket length 72.4 cm = 28.50 in.
SUITSUPPLY REFERENCE (the locked master): jacket length 29.4 in = 74.68 cm. Front length 31.2 in = 79.25 cm.
GAP: 2.28 cm / 0.90 in SHORT of Suitsupply. The queued +5 cm would take it to 77.4 cm = 30.47 in — which OVERSHOOTS Suitsupply by 2.72 cm / 1.07 in.
SO THE QUEUED +5 CM IS NOT THE RIGHT NUMBER EITHER. To match Suitsupply the correction is +2.3 CM, not +5.
CAUTION BEFORE ACTING ON THAT: Oliver Wicks and Suitsupply measure jacket length from unstated points, and this session found SIX measuring-point errors. Confirm both definitions, or measure the two jackets flat together, before ordering to +2.3.
"MATCH SUITSUPPLY ALL THE WAY AROUND" — the full delta, Oliver Wicks as built vs the Suitsupply reference:
Jacket length OW 72.4 cm (28.50 in) vs SS 74.68 cm (29.40 in) -> OW is 0.90 in SHORT [confirmed too short in wear]
Shoulder OW 17.87 in vs SS 17.13 in -> OW is 0.74 in WIDE [-1 cm queued, never applied]
Biceps OW 37 cm (14.57 in) vs SS 39.62 cm (15.60 in) -> OW is 1.03 in TIGHT [+1.5 cm queued, never applied]
Sleeve length OW 60.3 cm (23.74 in) vs SS 61.98 cm (24.40 in) -> OW is 0.66 in SHORT [no pending change recorded]
Chest OW 106.4 cm (41.89 in) vs SS 101.6 cm (40.00 in) -> OW is 1.89 in FULL [no pending change recorded]
EVERY DIMENSION IS OFF, AND TWO OF THEM HAVE NO PENDING CHANGE AT ALL — sleeve length and chest. The queued list is incomplete, not merely unapplied.
THE CHEST IS THE BIGGEST SINGLE GAP at 1.89 in, and it points the opposite way to the length: the jacket is too FULL in the chest and too SHORT in the body.
DO NOT ORDER FROM OLIVER WICKS UNTIL THE FULL SET IS REBUILT AGAINST SUITSUPPLY. Applying the three queued changes alone would still leave the chest 1.89 in full, the sleeve 0.66 in short, and would overshoot the length by 1.07 in.
Upper Body Block
UPPER BODY BLOCK — owner-supplied, Aug 13, 2026, taken at 153 lb
BODY measurements. Compare only against other body figures — garment specs carry ease on top of these.
| Measurement | Aug 2026 | Apr 8, 2025 (at 157 lb) | Reading |
|---|---|---|---|
| Chest | 38 in | 38 in | STABLE. Two independent self-measures, 16 months apart, identical. This is the most reliable body number in the workbook. |
| Just under ribcage | 31.5 in | 32 in | Narrowest torso point. Down 0.5, consistent with the weight change. |
| Belly button | 33.5 in | 33 in | Up 0.5. Within self-measure noise; do not read a trend into it. |
| Low waist | 33 in | not taken | NEW. See the waist conflict on the Lower Body Block tab before using. |
| Bicep | 12 in | not taken | NEW. Genuinely slim. |
WHAT THE CHEST NUMBER SETTLES
- 38 in twice, at 157 lb and at 153 lb. Chest did not move across the whole stable period. Any jacket or shirt
chest complaint in this workbook is therefore a GARMENT problem, never a body-change problem.
- Cross-check against the chest bracket already established from wear:
Charles Tyrwhitt Extra Slim — static fit fine, movement constrained (the tight bound)
Proper Cloth Mar 2026 — about 42.4 in finished (the working middle, roughly 4.4 in of ease)
Suitsupply shirt — about 44.5 in finished, judged TOO FULL (roughly 6.5 in of ease)
- So the workable shirt ease band is roughly 4 to 4.5 in over a 38 in chest. Above about 6 in reads as too full.
- CAUTION: the Charles Tyrwhitt constraint was diagnosed as RANGE OF MOTION — back width and armhole — NOT chest
girth. Do not widen the chest to fix it. That correction is already on record and still stands.
BICEP 12 IN — a new number that touches two open items
- OLIVER WICKS has a queued, never-applied change of BICEPS +1.5 cm against a garment biceps of 37 cm (14.57 in).
Against a 12 in body that is about 2.6 in of ease, going to about 3.2 in if applied. Neither is tight on paper.
WORTH QUESTIONING whether that queued change was ever justified, or whether it was chasing a different problem
— the same jacket also has shoulders -1 cm and length +5 cm queued, and shoulders were the known fault.
- HANGRR velvet blazer, SLIM, recorded as TOO TIGHT IN THE ARMS. With a 12 in bicep, a slim sleeve that binds
means the Hangrr SLIM sleeve is cut genuinely narrow, not that the arm is large. The existing recommendation
to use REGULAR next time is sound and is now supported by a body number.
STILL MISSING FROM THE UPPER BLOCK — these are the remaining gaps
- SHOULDER, seam to seam across the back. THE BIGGEST ONE. Six sources currently span 17.10 to 18.31 in and
every one of them is a GARMENT figure. There is no body shoulder measurement anywhere in this project.
- SLEEVE LENGTH, centre back neck to wrist. Sartoro locked a 24.25-24.75 in target in Jun 2025 from garments only.
- NECK. The Charles Tyrwhitt collar went 16 to 15 in four months and has never been checked against a tape.
- BACK WIDTH. Directly implicated in the CT range-of-motion problem and never measured.
- ARM LENGTH and WRIST, if a jacket is ever ordered from a new maker.
Lower Body Block
LOWER BODY BLOCK — the measurements that explain every trouser in this workbook
Owner-supplied, Aug 13, 2026. These are BODY measurements, not garment measurements.
This is the first time the seat and thigh have been recorded anywhere in the project.
| Measurement | Value | Notes |
|---|---|---|
| Waist AT THE POINT HE WEARS TROUSERS | just under 31 in | NOT the natural waist. See the two-waist problem below. |
| Typical LABELLED size after vanity sizing | 29 | Matches Hiroshi Kato 29 exactly — twice, independently. |
| Seat / hips | 35 in | Owner: "very small ass." |
| Thigh, thickest point | 19 in | Owner: "skinny legs." |
| Rise — front | 9 to 10 in (centre 9.5) | TOLERANCE, not a target. Wears the whole range well. |
| Rise — back | 14 to 15 in (centre 14.5) | Differential is a consistent +5 in over the front. |
THE DROP — this is the whole story
Trouser blocks are drafted around the gap between waist and seat. A typical men's ready-to-wear trouser assumes
a seat roughly 8 to 10 inches larger than the waist. (General drafting convention — NOT a verified figure from any
brand in this workbook. Treat as indicative, and confirm against a real size chart before acting on it.)
| His body | Typical RTW assumption | Gap | |
|---|---|---|---|
| Waist | 31 in | 31 in | — |
| Seat | 35 in | about 39-41 in | ROUGHLY 4-6 IN TOO BIG on any RTW trouser that fits his waist |
| Thigh | 19 in | about 22-24 in | ROUGHLY 3-5 IN TOO BIG |
HIS DROP IS ABOUT +4 INCHES. THE INDUSTRY ASSUMES +8 TO +10. That single fact predicts every complaint in this
workbook: any trouser bought to fit the waist arrives several inches too large through the seat and thigh.
IT MATCHES THE FEB 2025 COMPLAINT WORD FOR WORD
Owner to Archer, Feb 25, 2025, before any of these numbers were known:
"They fit fine in the waist, but very baggy in the seat — too wide in the hips and rise is too long."
"And very billowy in the thighs — the thigh area is too large in circumference."
"So changing to a different size is not going to help."
- Waist fine, seat baggy, thigh billowy. That is exactly what a +4 drop body reports when handed a +9 drop trouser.
- His instinct that a different SIZE would not fix it was CORRECT, and now provably so. Sizing down would have
fixed the seat and thigh only by making the waist unwearable. The block is wrong, not the size.
THE TWO-WAIST PROBLEM — a likely source of maker error
- Trousers are worn at just under 31 in.
- The Apr 8, 2025 self-measurement records BELLY BUTTON at 33 in and hips at 36 in.
- So the natural waist sits about 2 inches ABOVE the wear point. A maker who measures the natural waist and
cuts to it produces a trouser about 2 inches too big at the waist BEFORE the seat and thigh problems.
- ALWAYS SPECIFY: 31 in at the wear point, not the natural waist. State it explicitly on every future order.
- The 36 in hips (Apr 2025, at 157 lb) versus 35 in seat (Aug 2026, at about 150 lb) is a 1 in reduction and is
consistent with the recorded weight change. Both are plausible; the newer figure is the working number.
WHAT THIS CONFIRMS AND WHAT IT OVERTURNS
CONFIRMS — Trav at Archer had it right, Feb 25, 2025: "his waist is a size 30/29.5 but he needs the BODY of the
pants to be a size 28 — reduces the seat, thigh, rise, knee and leg opening." That is the +4 drop, described in
sizing language a year before the measurements existed. The Archer diagnosis is now independently corroborated.
CONFIRMS — the three-brand waist ladder is real and reconciled:
Suitsupply base 28 (the BODY of the trouser) · Kato 29 (labelled RTW, vanity-sized) · Archer 30 (raw WAIST).
The owner independently states the vanity-size mapping lands "right at about 29", which is precisely the
Kato size chosen twice. Two independent sources, same answer.
QUALIFIES — Trav's alteration spec of MINUS 1 IN seat and MINUS 1.5 IN thigh was almost certainly a conservative
first pass on one garment, not the full correction. Against a 4-6 in seat surplus, 1 in is a start. Do not treat
those two numbers as the finished pattern. NOT YET VERIFIED — the altered pair was never re-measured in writing.
WHAT TO DO WITH THIS
1. GIVE THESE THREE NUMBERS TO EVERY TROUSER MAKER: waist 31 at wear point, seat 35, thigh 19. Seat and thigh
are the governing dimensions. The waist is the one thing that has never been wrong.
2. STOP BUYING READY-TO-WEAR TROUSERS EXPECTING THEM TO FIT. Eleven orphan trousers are in this workbook. A
+4 drop body is not what RTW is drafted for, and no size will fix it.
3. SARTORO AND SUITSUPPLY ALREADY HANDLE THIS — both are made to measure and both trouser specs are described
in the workbook as settled ("chiselled in stone" at Sartoro order 6297; Suitsupply locked as the reference).
Those two are working precisely because the block was cut to him.
4. FOR KATO, size 29 is correct and confirmed twice — but it is READY TO WEAR, so expect seat and thigh surplus
even at the right waist. Worth a wear-log entry: does the Pen Slim actually fit the seat, or is it tolerated?
5. HANGRR pants "a tad long, try 39.5 in" is a LENGTH note and is unaffected by any of this.
STILL UNMEASURED — would complete the block
- RISE. Complained about twice ("rise is too long") and never measured. This is now the single most valuable
missing lower-body number.
- INSEAM. Inferred only: Archer 30/31 implies 31; Kato "no hemming needed" twice implies the stock inseam works.
- KNEE and LEG OPENING. Trav set a floor of 6.75 in on the leg opening; the actual preferred figure is unknown.
RISE — RESOLVED, AND IT IS NOT A PROBLEM. Owner-supplied Aug 13, 2026.
- Dress trouser rise typically runs 9-10 in front and 14-15 in back, averaging about 9.5 / 14.5.
- OWNER: "I wear both equally well, I just wear the higher rises higher."
- At 10 / 15 the waistband "hits right at the top of hip bones, about where they should be."
- So rise is a TOLERANCE, not a constraint. It is the ONLY lower-body dimension with genuine slack in it. Every
other dimension — seat, thigh, waist position — is tight and unforgiving.
THIS OVERTURNS A CONCLUSION RECORDED EARLIER TODAY
- The Lower Body Block tab was written listing RISE as "the single most valuable missing lower-body number,"
on the strength of the Feb 2025 Archer complaint "rise is too long." THAT WAS WRONG. Rise is fine.
- The rise complaint was almost certainly a SYMPTOM OF THE SEAT SURPLUS, not an independent fault. A trouser
cut 4-6 in too large through the seat cannot sit up on the body — it drops, and the crotch hangs low. The
wearer experiences that as a long rise even when the drafted rise is correct.
- CONSEQUENCE: the Archer Blue Cords had TWO faults, not three. Seat and thigh. Fix those and the rise
complaint should disappear on its own. Do NOT ask any maker to shorten the rise — that would break a
dimension that currently works.
- STATUS: reasoned, NOT verified. The clean test is to measure the rise on the returned Archer cords, or on a
pair that fits. If a well-fitting pair measures inside 9-10 / 14-15, this is confirmed.
THE +5 INCH DIFFERENTIAL IS ITSELF EVIDENCE
- Both figures he names carry the same front-to-back gap: 9.5 to 14.5, and 10 to 15. A standard +5 in.
- A fuller seat normally requires MORE back rise than standard to cover it. He needs no extra — which is an
independent corroboration of the 35 in seat and the flat +4 drop. Two different measurements, same conclusion.
THE WAIST POSITION IS NOW PINNED PRECISELY
- At a 10 / 15 rise the band sits at the TOP OF THE HIP BONES. That is the point where the waist measures just
under 31 in. The wear point is now defined anatomically, not just numerically.
- This is what to tell a maker: 31 in AT THE TOP OF THE HIP BONES. Not the natural waist, which is 33 in at the
belly button and about 2 in higher up the body.
THE LOWER BODY BLOCK IS NOW ESSENTIALLY COMPLETE
Waist 31 at top of hip bones · Seat 35 · Thigh 19 · Rise front 9-10, back 14-15 · Inseam about 31 (Archer 30/31,
and Kato stock inseam accepted twice with "no hemming needed") · Leg opening floor 6.75 per Trav.
STILL GENUINELY UNKNOWN: knee circumference, and the preferred leg opening above the 6.75 floor.
LEG AND TAPER — owner-supplied Aug 13, 2026. The block is now complete. True
BODY Value Note
Knee 14 in
Calf 13 in SMALLER than the knee. Genuinely slim through the lower leg.
Ankle about 8 in
| GARMENT PREFERENCE | Value | Note |
|---|---|---|
| Leg opening — preferred | 13.5 in | The number he reaches for. |
Leg opening — acceptable up to 14 / 14.25 in
Leg opening — REJECTED 15 in and above Owner: "looks like bell bottoms."
TRAV'S 6.75 IS RESOLVED — IT WAS A FLAT MEASURE, AND IT MATCHES EXACTLY True
- Archer, Feb 27 2025: "I wouldn't go less than 6.75 inches." Recorded in this workbook as a leg-opening floor
with the UNIT UNCONFIRMED — flat/half measure or full circumference was never established.
- 6.75 x 2 = 13.5 in. That is EXACTLY the preferred leg opening stated independently, eighteen months later,
with no knowledge of the Archer figure.
- CONFIRMED: Trav quoted a FLAT (half) measure. His floor and the owner's preference are the same number.
- This matters beyond Archer. It is a worked example of the half-measure vs circumference ambiguity that is
STILL OPEN on the Suitsupply waist figures (Plano 46.5 vs Feb 18 96; trousers 41 vs 82). Same trap, and here
it resolved cleanly at exactly 2x. Do not assume it resolves the same way for Suitsupply — but do check.
WHY 15 IN LOOKS WRONG — the owner's reasoning is correct and now quantified True
- Calf 13 in, ankle 8 in. There is very little leg to fill a wide hem.
- A 13.5 in opening over an 8 in ankle already gives about 5.5 in of clearance — enough to clear the foot and
break on the shoe without collapsing around the leg.
- At 15 in the hem is nearly DOUBLE the ankle. On a slim calf with a US 9-10 shoe there is no visual mass at the
bottom to balance it, so the leg reads as flared. His own explanation, and the measurements support it.
- The preferred opening of 13.5 is essentially EQUAL to the body knee of 14. The trouser runs close to straight
visually from the knee down, with the taper carried in the garment ease rather than in the silhouette.
RISE — PREFERENCE NOW SEPARATE FROM TOLERANCE True
- The Suitsupply trousers he actually likes to wear measure about 9.25 front / 14 back. Owner says "I think" —
TREAT AS UNVERIFIED until measured on the garment.
- That sits at the LOW end of the 9-10 / 14-15 tolerance recorded earlier, and its differential is +4.75 rather
than the +5 he quoted generally.
- So the record now distinguishes two things it previously conflated:
TOLERANCE — front 9-10, back 14-15. All wearable.
PREFERENCE — about 9.25 / 14, evidenced by the trousers from the locked reference brand that he chooses to
wear. This is the number to give a maker; the range is what to accept without complaint.
- Consistent with "I wear the higher rises higher": a 10/15 is worn up at the hip bones, a 9.25/14 sits slightly
lower. Both work. Neither is a fault.
THE COMPLETE TROUSER SPEC — hand this to any maker True
Waist 31 at the TOP OF THE HIP BONES (not the 33 natural waist) · Seat 35 · Thigh 19 · Knee 14 · Calf 13 ·
Ankle 8 · Rise about 9.25 front / 14 back (tolerance 9-10 / 14-15) · Inseam about 31 · LEG OPENING 13.5,
never above 14.25.
These are BODY measurements except the leg opening and rise, which are garment figures. State that explicitly —
the workbook has already been bitten once by an unstated measurement convention.
*** WAIST CONFLICT — OPENED Aug 13, 2026, NOT YET RESOLVED. READ BEFORE USING ANY WAIST FIGURE. ***
Owner supplied a full torso set and immediately flagged the problem himself: "maybe my 31 is a bit of a misnomer. I may need to re-measure myself."
THE TWO NUMBERS THAT DISAGREE
- STATED EARLIER TODAY: "my actual waist where I wear my pants measures just under 31."
- MEASURED (tape, at 153 lb): LOW WAIST 33. Belly button 33.5. Just under ribcage 31.5.
- That is a 2 in disagreement at the same anatomical point. Both cannot be a body measurement.
MOST LIKELY EXPLANATION — garment versus body
- 31 is probably a TROUSER figure, not a body figure: either the waistband measurement of trousers he owns, or
a label-adjusted estimate. He said in the same breath that vanity sizing "cuts right at about 29", so he is
clearly reasoning from labels.
- A body of 33 wearing trousers labelled 29-30 implies about 3-4 in of vanity sizing. That is high but entirely
normal for the brands in this workbook.
- A waistband CAN measure under the relaxed body figure — soft tissue compresses under a band. So 33 body in a
31-32 band is physically consistent. NOT PROVEN. This is the leading hypothesis, nothing more.
A SELF-REPORT PATTERN WORTH NOTING — IT NOW CUTS BOTH WAYS
- To Archer, Feb 2025: "about 6 feet tall, but like 165 lbs." Actual: 5 ft 10, 153.9 lb the next day. Rounded UP.
- To Sartoro, Apr 2025: "size 10" shoe. Actual bracket 9-9.5. Rounded UP.
- Waist, Aug 2026: stated "just under 31." Tape says 33. Rounded DOWN.
- Height, weight and shoe size are rounded up; waist is rounded down. Both directions are the flattering one.
- THIS IS NOT A CRITICISM, IT IS A DATA-HANDLING RULE, and it is the owner's own standing instruction applied to
himself: MEASURED BEATS STATED, every time, including when the source is him. He caught this one unprompted.
WHAT THIS CHANGES — and what it does NOT
- THE SEAT AND THIGH CONCLUSIONS SURVIVE INTACT, AND GET STRONGER.
Old reading: waist 31, seat 35, drop +4 versus an industry +8 to +10.
New reading: waist 33, seat 35, DROP +2. Even flatter than first calculated.
A ready-to-wear trouser bought for a 33 waist arrives with roughly a 42 in seat. His is 35. Surplus about 7 in
— larger than the 4-6 in previously estimated. Every "baggy in the seat" complaint is now MORE explicable.
- THE LEG BLOCK IS UNAFFECTED. Knee, calf, ankle, leg opening, rise and inseam are all independent of the waist
point and remain as recorded. Trav's 6.75 flat-measure resolution also stands.
- WHAT IS NOW UNSAFE TO USE: the figure "31 at the top of the hip bones" written into the complete trouser spec
earlier today. DO NOT hand that to a maker until re-measured. Everything else in that spec holds.
THE RE-MEASURE PROTOCOL — do this once and the block is closed for good
1. Bare skin or a thin shirt only. Note which.
2. Stand relaxed, normal breathing, do not hold the stomach in. Tape snug but not compressing.
3. Measure at THREE points and label each: (a) top of the hip bones, where a 10/15 rise band sits; (b) belly
button; (c) just under the ribcage.
4. SEPARATELY, lay a pair of trousers that FIT flat and measure the waistband end to end, then double it. Record
that as a GARMENT figure. The gap between it and (a) is the true compression and vanity allowance.
5. Re-measure the SEAT at the fullest point too — the record currently holds 35 (Aug 2026) and 36 (Apr 2025).
6. Record current weight on the same day. The existing set is at 153 lb; he is now about 150.
*** LEG OPENING IS A FORMALITY LADDER — CONFIRMED BY OWNER Aug 14, 2026 ***
The hypothesis raised in the Wear Log was put to him and confirmed outright: "no, that is right on."
"I like jeans — more casual than suits — to have a smaller leg opening in general."
| Register | Leg opening | Footwear | Evidence |
|---|---|---|---|
| DRESS — suits, tailored trousers | 13.5 in preferred, up to 14 / 14.25 | Dress shoes, US 9-9.5 | Stated preference. 15 in and above rejected outright: "looks like bell bottoms." |
| CASUAL — jeans over boots | 13 in | Thursday · Allen Edmonds Landon · Idrese (planned) | Kato Pen Slim size 29 measures 6.5 in flat = 13 in circumference, and these are the jeans he loves. CUFFED, which is also how the bordeaux weft shows. |
| MOST CASUAL — jeans and CHINOS with sneakers | 12 to 13 in | Sneakers, US 10-10.5 | Owner-stated. "I have jeans with 12-13 inch opening I wear with sneakers. So smaller opening jeans and even chinos go with sneakers." |
THE RULE: AS FORMALITY FALLS, THE LEG OPENING NARROWS. Roughly 14.25 in at the dress end down to 12 in at the
most casual. This is the opposite of the common assumption that casual trousers run wider, and it is consistent
across every figure now on record.
A NOTE ON WHY THIS IS NOT ABOUT SHOE SIZE
- His SNEAKERS are the BIGGEST shoes he owns (US 10-10.5) and they take the NARROWEST openings (12-13 in).
- His DRESS SHOES are the SMALLEST (US 9-9.5) and they take the WIDEST openings (13.5-14.25 in).
- So the relationship runs OPPOSITE to shoe mass. The driver is REGISTER AND SILHOUETTE, not visual balance
against the shoe.
- This refines his own earlier reasoning rather than contradicting it. "My size 9 or 10 shoes and skinny legs"
explains why 15 in is too wide ANYWHERE. The formality ladder explains where inside the acceptable range each
category sits. Both hold.
PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCE — the single-number spec was wrong
- The "COMPLETE TROUSER SPEC" written earlier today carries "LEG OPENING 13.5, never above 14.25." That is
correct for DRESS TROUSERS ONLY and must not be handed to a casual maker.
- CORRECTED: specify the register with the number. Dress 13.5 · jeans over boots 13 · casual with sneakers 12-13.
- Trav's Archer floor of 6.75 in flat (13.5 in) was quoted for CORDUROY TROUSERS — a mid-casual garment. It sits
at the dress end of the ladder, which is worth noting but not necessarily wrong for cords.
*** CHINOS — A CATEGORY THE WORKBOOK BARELY HAS ***
He names chinos as a live, worn category with a 12-13 in opening. The register does not reflect that:
- NO garment in this workbook is recorded as a CHINO.
- The closest candidates are the four ARCHER corduroy trousers, which are cords, not chinos.
- PROPER CLOTH order AC1811735 (Apr 12, 2025) is flagged as "CASUAL PANTS, separate pattern" and IS STILL UNREAD.
That is the single most likely place a chino record is hiding, and it also carries a separate trouser pattern
from Proper Cloth — which would be a second made-to-measure trouser block.
- ACTION: read AC1811735, and ask what chinos he owns. A whole casual-trouser category is effectively missing
while eleven orphan DRESS trousers sit recorded in detail.
ALSO UNCAPTURED: the NAKED & FAMOUS Super Guy leg opening at size 29. The Kato figure (13 in) is known and the
N&F one is not — worth pulling from their size chart, since four owned pairs sit in that fit.
*** LEG-OPENING LADDER — CORRECTED Aug 14, 2026. THE FORMALITY READING WAS WRONG. ***
Owner: "the cotton Sartoro pants are the exact cut and fit as the Sartoro dress pants and both have leg openings
of 12.75."
EVERY MEASURED LEG OPENING NOW ON RECORD:
Naked & Famous Super Guy — 12.5 in — SNEAKERS
Sartoro DRESS trousers — 12.75 in — dress shoes
Sartoro COTTON trousers — 12.75 in — sneakers (identical block to the dress pants)
Hiroshi Kato Pen Slim — 13.0 in — BOOTS
WHAT THIS OVERTURNS
- THE FORMALITY LADDER IS NOT SUPPORTED. It claimed openings NARROW as formality falls: dress 13.5-14.25, boots
13, sneakers 12-13. The measured numbers do not do that. His DRESS trousers are 12.75 and his JEANS are 13.0 — the jeans are WIDER, the opposite of the claimed direction.
- THE FOOTWEAR EXPLANATION SURVIVES, AND IT IS THE BETTER ONE. Ranked by the shoe rather than the garment:
Sneakers 12.5 (N&F) < dress shoes 12.75 (Sartoro dress) < boots 13.0 (Kato)
A boot shaft needs clearance; a sneaker needs least. That is physical and it matches every figure.
The Sartoro cotton pants at 12.75 are the exception that proves it — same block as the dress trousers, so the
opening did not move when the fabric and the register did.
- THE REAL RANGE IS 12.5 TO 13.0 IN — HALF AN INCH, ACROSS EVERYTHING HE OWNS AND LIKES. Far tighter than any
ladder. He essentially wears one leg opening.
*** AND ANOTHER STATED-VERSUS-MEASURED GAP ***
- STATED: "I like about a 13.5 inch leg opening, maybe up to 14, 14.25."
- MEASURED: NOT ONE GARMENT HE OWNS AND LIKES IS 13.5 IN OR WIDER. Every single one is 12.5-13.0.
- The stated figure is roughly 0.75-1.5 in wider than anything in his wardrobe. Same direction and same size of
error as the waist ("just under 31" against a measured 33).
- THE RULE HOLDS AGAIN: measured garments beat stated preferences. Give a maker 12.75 in, not 13.5 in.
- His judgement that 15 in "looks like bell bottoms" is still sound — it is simply even further from his real
numbers than it appeared.
SARTORO USES ONE TROUSER BLOCK FOR EVERYTHING
"The exact cut and fit as the Sartoro dress pants." Cotton and wool, casual and dress, all one pattern. This is
consistent with the trouser spec being "chiselled in stone" at order 6297 and means any Sartoro trouser
measurement applies to all nineteen of them regardless of fabric.
CORRECTION — EMINENCE PURPLE IS NOT AN ORPHAN. Owner: "I have the Eminence Purple jacket too." The Fabric Groups
tab and the Suits view list Eminence Purple Stretch Pants among the orphan trousers. There is a matching JACKET.
It is a COTTON group (Stretch = cotton), so Eminence Purple is a cotton jacket-and-trouser pairing. The jacket is
dated Mar 15, 2026 in the Sartoro Master notes — the newest sizing generation, with shoulder rotation and longer
SUPERSEDED Aug 16, 2026 — "TRUE ORPHAN COUNT DROPS AGAIN: Dark Grey Prince of Wales, Nickel Grey Bamboo, Suitsupply Light Blue" IS WRONG. It assumes every Stretch trouser has a Stretch jacket. Only TWO stretch/cotton jackets exist (Eminence Purple, Hudson Midnight Black). THE TRUE ORPHAN COUNT IS TEN. See Fabric Groups.
Weight & Fit Timeline
Weight & Fit Timeline — ~295 lb → 150 lb (SUPERSEDED IN PART; peak corrected Aug 14, 2026)
SUPERSEDED Aug 2026 by the scale-app data on the 'Weight Data (Scale App)' tab. The peak was 206.1 lb (Jul 26, 2024), not 180, and the loss finished in FEBRUARY 2025, not December 2025. The brand-by-brand mapping below is still useful, but the claim that the drift was caused by weight is wrong for every brand except the Sep–Oct 2024 Charles Tyrwhitt orders.
READ THIS TAB FIRST. Orange = cut to the heavier body. Yellow = cut mid-loss. Green = cut after weight stabilised, and therefore trustworthy today.
THE LOSS, AS MEASURED BY PROPER CLOTH
Proper Cloth reprints the full flat-garment pattern on every order, so it is the only continuous physical record of the change.
| Measure | Jan 2025 | Jul 2025 | Mar 2026 | Total change | Where the change happened |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Collar Around | 16 | 15.5 | 15.4 | -0.6 | Neck went FIRST — 83% of the drop was done by Jul 2025 |
| Chest Width | 22.5 | 22 | 21.2 | -1.3 | Torso went LATER — 62% of the drop came after Jul 2025 |
| Midsection Width | 18.5 | 18 | 17.5 | -1 | Steady, half and half |
| Yoke Width (shoulder) | 17.9 | 17.6 | 17.1 | -0.8 | Later-weighted, like the chest |
| Bottom Width | 21.1 | 20 | 19.4 | -1.7 | Largest single change of any dimension |
| Sleeve Width | 8.1 | 7.9 | 7.5 | -0.6 | Later-weighted |
| Cuff Around | 8.8 | 8.7 | 8.4 | -0.4 | Wrists barely moved — as expected |
| Sleeve Length | 34 | 34 | 34.3 | 0.3 | THE ONLY GROWTH. Arms do not shorten; a narrower shirt needs more length |
| Standard Size | 16 / 34 | 15.5 / 34 | 15 / 34 | −1 collar | A full collar size in 14 months |
WHICH BODY EACH BRAND WAS CUT TO
| Brand / pattern | Date of the measurements | Body it was cut to | Garments | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| SARTORO — digital tailor | FOUR generations — Jan 2025 through Mar 2026 | ~180 lb → ~150 lb | 37 + 3 reorders | CORRECTED Aug 2026. Sartoro did NOT use one frozen profile — the sizing was revised at least three times; only the DISPLAYED profile date (Jan 28, 2025) never changed. About 22 garments sit in the old 18″-shoulder generation; 10 are on the new measurements; 3 old jackets were reordered in the new sizing. See the Sartoro Master tab. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt — 2024 burst | Sep–Oct 2024 purchases | ~180 lb | 10 | 16 collar on eight shirts, alpha LARGE on two. Confirmed by email. The two Pure Linen shirts in LARGE are two sizes off, not one. |
| Proper Cloth — first order | Jan 12, 2025 | ~180 lb | 1 | 16.00 collar, yoke 17.90. The $200 Burgundy Reda Merino — the most expensive early shirt, and now a full collar size too big. |
| Black Lapel — Overcoat | May 7, 2025 | ~180 lb | 0 ordered | Pattern only, shoulder 18.00. NEVER rebuilt. Two generations stale. |
| Oliver Wicks | pre-delivery, 2025 | ~180 lb / mid-loss | 2 | Shoulder 17.87″ as built. Three changes are queued and STILL UNAPPLIED (length +5 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, shoulders −1 cm). The jacket already had its length let out almost 2 inches. |
| Black Lapel — Shirt | Jul 1, 2025 | mid-loss | 0 ordered | Pattern only, shoulder 18.00. NEVER rebuilt. |
| Proper Cloth — mid | Jul 26, 2025 | mid-loss | 1 | 15.5 collar, yoke 17.60. Sits exactly between the two ends — the only garment anywhere that captures the middle of the change. |
| SUITSUPPLY — Plano fitting | on or before Nov 7, 2025 | ~150 lb, at stabilisation | 19 | Well timed. The in-store fitting lands right at the point weight settled, which is why Suitsupply is the most reliable measurement set in the workbook. |
| Black Lapel — Jacket & Vest | Nov 7, 2025 — rebuilt from SS | ~150 lb | 2 | Shoulder cut 18.00 → 17.25 using the Suitsupply numbers. Correctly updated. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt — Feb 2026 | Feb 2026 purchases | ~150 lb | 11 | 15 collar / Small. Current and correct. |
| Suitsupply — Feb 18, 2026 revision | Feb 18, 2026 | ~150 lb, POST-stabilisation | — | IMPORTANT: this revision came AFTER weight settled, so it is NOT a weight correction — it is pure fit refinement (jacket length/width, trousers shortened). Different in kind from everything above. |
| Hangrr | 2026 | ~150 lb | 4 | Body measurements, shoulder 17.2″. Consistent with the settled body. |
| Proper Cloth — current | Mar 26, 2026 | ~150 lb | 1 | 15.40 collar, yoke 17.10. The most recent full pattern anywhere — and the best single reference for the current body. |
| Thomas Bird / Idrese | 2025–2026 | N/A | 11 pairs | Feet do not change with 30 lb. US 9 throughout, and still correct. The one Ellington in 43 was an ordering mistake, not a fit change. |
| COVENANT BROTHERS (Chris) | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | 1 suit + 5 jackets | BESPOKE, and the dates are not captured. If Chris measured during the loss, those six garments have the same problem. If he measured recently, he holds the best pattern anywhere. Must be established. |
WHAT THIS REFRAMES
• NOTHING IN THIS WORKBOOK WAS A PREFERENCE CHANGE. Every drifting measurement across five brands is one 30 lb weight loss showing up in five different measurement systems. The Proper Cloth ladder, the Black Lapel rebuild, the Charles Tyrwhitt collar drop, the alpha LARGE→SMALL move and the Oliver Wicks queued changes are all the same event.
• THE BODY HAS BEEN STABLE FOR EIGHT MONTHS. That is the important part. Anything measured from roughly December 2025 onward is still valid today, and the moving-target problem is over. Suitsupply (Plano), Black Lapel's Nov 7 rebuild, Charles Tyrwhitt Feb 2026, Hangrr and Proper Cloth Mar 2026 all agree with each other — five independent brands converging is strong evidence the current numbers are right.
• THE NECK WENT FIRST, THE TORSO WENT LATER. Collar had done 83% of its drop by Jul 2025 while the chest had done only 38%. Anything bought in mid-2025 may fit at the neck and be loose through the body.
THE SARTORO PROBLEM IS NOW THE HEADLINE
• 42 garments. 33 orders. $10,990. Fourteen months. ONE measurement profile, dated Jan 28, 2025, still cited on the final order in March 2026.
• That profile was taken at or near 180 lb. Sartoro is 61% of the garment count and the single largest spend in the wardrobe, and effectively all of it was cut to a body that is now 30 lb lighter.
• Sartoro publishes NO measurements in the customer account, so the damage cannot even be quantified from the data on hand. Getting that profile out of Sartoro support is now the highest-value open item in this project — ahead of the return PDF, ahead of the remaining order extractions.
A TENSION WORTH RESOLVING
• The Alterations tab records several early Sartoro jackets being LET OUT at the waist — made LARGER. During a 30 lb loss the expected alteration is taking garments IN. Either the direction in that note is wrong, or those jackets were cut too tight to begin with and the let-out was fixing a pattern error rather than tracking the body. Chris at Covenant Brothers did the work (Jan 27, 2026 calendar entry) and would know which.
WHAT TO DO WITH THE OVERSIZED GARMENTS
• Charles Tyrwhitt: $633.96 of shirts confirmed too big so far, and eight orders are still unread. Non-iron cotton shirts can be taken in at the side seams and the collar cannot — a 16 collar cannot become a 15. The two alpha LARGE linen shirts are the furthest gone.
• Tailored jackets and trousers are the opposite: a good tailor can take in a waist and a seat considerably. Chris is already doing this work. The Sartoro pieces are worth assessing garment by garment rather than written off.
CORRECTION LOG — Aug 2026
• The 'Sartoro problem' as originally written on this tab (42 garments frozen to one Jan 28, 2025 profile) was WRONG. It was inferred from the order-email metadata, which never updated its profile date even though the underlying sizing changed three times. Owner-supplied garment list corrected it.
• The 18″ shoulder is now confirmed as Sartoro's OLD spec — matching Black Lapel (18.00) and Proper Cloth's Jan 2025 yoke (17.90). Four brands independently recorded the same pre-loss shoulder.
• A SECOND fit defect is now documented alongside the width problem: SHOULDER ROTATION (seam angle / posture). Sartoro corrected it around Feb 2026 and Proper Cloth added 'Chest Fwd 1″' in Mar 2026 — two brands, same correction, six weeks apart. Neither is explained by weight.
DATED FIT EVENT ADDED Aug 14, 2026 — JULY 2025: MEDIUM ALREADY TOO BIG
Owner-confirmed: the Jul 2025 Banana Republic linen order was bought for himself in size M, found TOO BIG, and
given to his father-in-law. That converts a purchase record into a MEASURED FAILURE POINT on the alpha ladder.
THE M-TO-S CROSSOVER IS NOW DATED TO MID-2025, AND TWO BRANDS AGREE:
Jul 2025 Banana Republic M — TOO BIG (owner-confirmed failure)
Aug 2025 Paul James — cut him SMALL (independent, four weeks later)
WHICH MAKES CHARLES TYRWHITT ROUGHLY TEN MONTHS LATE
CT sold him MEDIUM linen in Apr 2025 and did not reach SMALL until Feb 2026. His body had already left Medium by
Jul 2025 at the latest. The workbook already recorded that brands "catch up to the same body at different
speeds" — this puts a number on the lag for the slowest one.
CAUTION: cut and fabric differ across these brands, so the lag is approximate, not a precise interval. What is
firm is the DIRECTION and the ORDER: Paul James and BR before CT, by the better part of a year.
THE WARDROBE ITSELF HEDGES THE WEIGHT HISTORY — noted Aug 14, 2026
Owner: the too-big Charles Tyrwhitt shirts are "boxed up in storage in case I ever put weight back on."
~295 lb (~2021, owner-stated) -> 206.1 (Jul 26, 2024) -> 153.9 (Feb 26, 2025) -> ~150 now. About 145 lb down in total.
He has not disposed of the pre-loss wardrobe. That is a behavioural fact about CONFIDENCE IN THE NEW BODY, and
it sits alongside the documented snug-preference migration — he is dressing tighter while keeping the larger
sizes in reserve. The two are not contradictory; one is preference, the other is insurance.
IMPLICATION: "too big" in this workbook means DOES NOT FIT TODAY. It never means disposed of.
*** MAJOR CORRECTION Aug 14, 2026 — THE RECORDED PEAK WAS NOT THE PEAK ***
Owner: "I've come down way more than that. at my largest about 5 years ago, i was 295."
THE FULL ARC, as now understood:
~2021 ~295 lb owner-stated, no documentary record
May 2024 ~207 lb scale-app chart begins <- the app opens ~88 lb BELOW the peak
Jul 26 2024 206.1 lb EXACT, app tooltip
Feb 26 2025 153.9 lb EXACT
Aug 2026 ~150 lb stable ~18 months
TOTAL: about 145 lb down. The scale app captured only the LAST ~57 lb of it.
WHAT THIS INVALIDATES
Every prior statement in this workbook describing 206.1 lb as "the peak" is wrong. It is the peak OF THE APP
DATA. Those cells have been corrected on this tab and on Weight Data (Scale App).
The earlier note that "the recalled figure of 180 understated the peak by about 26 lb" now reads very differently:
the recalled figure understated the LIFETIME peak by about 115 lb. He was recalling a mid-descent plateau, not a max.
THE THREE-FORCES MODEL NEEDS A FOURTH ENTRY, OR AT LEAST A LONGER TAIL
The "Why Things Changed" tab explains fit anomalies with: (1) real weight change Aug 2024-Feb 2025, (2) stale spec,
(3) deliberate loose-to-snug migration. Force (1) is now known to be the TAIL of a five-year change, not the whole
of it. Anything bought before mid-2024 — the Saks 40R tuxedo, the boxed Armani and Boss suits, the 18in shoulder
spec — belongs to a materially different body, and "stale spec" understates how stale.
THIS IS OWNER-STATED AND UNVERIFIED.
The 295 figure has no scale screenshot, medical record or photograph behind it, and this workbook has documented
four cases where stated figures drifted from measured ones — ALL of them in the flattering direction. Here the
drift, if any, would run the other way, which is a different psychology and probably more reliable. Even so:
record it as OWNER-STATED, approximate, and undated beyond "about five years ago". Do not convert ~295 into a
precise datum, and do not compute BMI, sizes or timelines from it as if it were measured.
WORTH ASKING: is there a scale app, doctor record or photo covering 2021-2024? It would turn the single largest
fact about this body from an anecdote into a record.
THE JACKET-SIZE LADDER — independent corroboration of the pre-2024 arc
Added Aug 14, 2026. See the Boxed Archive tab for detail.
48 (donated) -> 46 (donated) -> 42 (boxed) -> 40 (boxed) -> 36 (current Suitsupply base)
Twelve jacket sizes. This is the ONLY evidence in the workbook covering 2021-2024 — the scale app does not begin
until May 2024, roughly 88 lb below the stated peak. The ladder does not date the descent, but it confirms the
SHAPE of it independently of any recalled number.
The single dated point on the ladder is the Saks 50(40)R tuxedo, Mar 2023 — already flagged elsewhere as a stale spec.
ORDINAL ONLY: jacket sizing is not linear against weight and varies by maker. The sequence is solid; do not
convert the intervals into pounds.
Garment Inventory
Wardrobe Inventory — Sartoro · Suitsupply · Oliver Wicks · Black Lapel · Hangrr — jesse@jessncass.com
Source: order-detail screenshots from account.sartoro.co (33 orders), suitsupply.com (6), oliverwicks.com (1), account.blacklapel.com (2) and hangrr.com (2). Blank cells = detail not shown on the captured screen.
| # | Brand | Order # | Item | Category | Price Paid (USD) | Fabric | Buttons | Lining | Construction / Options | Fabric Group | Confirmed | Delivered | Tracking / Ref | Fit Profile Basis | RECIPIENT | OWNERSHIP STATUS |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Sartoro | (not shown) | Eminence Purple Stretch Pants | Pants | 149 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | (paid Feb 5, 2025) | Feb 17, 2025 | 1ZB868J50415755552 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 2 | Sartoro | 5933 | Royal Blue Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Mar 4, 2025 | Mar 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50414944644 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 3 | Sartoro | 5952 | Powder Grey Twill Pants | Pants | 159 | 1807 - Powder Grey Twill | 3102 - Accented Cream | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | Powder Grey Twill | Mar 7, 2025 | Mar 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50414944644 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 4 | Sartoro | 6074 | Aqua Blue Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Mar 30, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50425383408 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 5 | Sartoro | 6074 | Dark Grey Prince of Wales Pants | Pants | 159 | 2112 - Dark Grey Prince of Wales | 3401 - Rimmed Black | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | — | Mar 30, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50425383408 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 6 | Sartoro | 6096 | Ellis Powder Grey Twill Jacket | Jacket | 399 | 1807 - Powder Grey Twill | 3102 - Accented Cream | 9029 - Navy Blue Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents; pick stitching (+$50 selection line) | Powder Grey Twill | Apr 1, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50425383408 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 7 | Sartoro | 6096 | Ellis Powder Grey Twill Jacket — Selections (pick stitching) | Jacket add-on | 50 | Pick stitching upcharge on the jacket above | — | Apr 1, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50425383408 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 8 | Sartoro | 6112 | Sapphire Blue Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Apr 4, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50425383408 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 9 | Sartoro | 6166 | Midnight Black Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | Midnight Black Stretch | Apr 14, 2025 | Apr 30, 2025 | 1ZB868J50404875121 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 10 | Sartoro | 6166 | Shimmer Black Pants | Pants | 129 | Shimmer Black | Apr 14, 2025 | Apr 30, 2025 | 1ZB868J50404875121 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 11 | Sartoro | 6264 | Monroe Shimmer Black Jacket | Jacket | 369 | 1603 - Shimmer Black | 3103 - Accented Black | 9011 - Turquoise Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Shimmer Black | May 1, 2025 | May 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50432435955 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 12 | Sartoro | 6297 | Sky Blue Windowpane Pants | Pants | 159 | 2012 - Sky Blue Windowpane | 3403 - Rimmed Brown | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | Sky Blue Windowpane | May 7, 2025 | May 20, 2025 | 1ZB868J50426868946 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 13 | Sartoro | 6341 | Thompson Sky Blue Windowpane Jacket | Jacket | 399 | 2012 - Sky Blue Windowpane | 3403 - Rimmed Brown | 9025 - Opera Mauve Purple Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents; pick stitching (+$50 selection line) | Sky Blue Windowpane | May 16, 2025 | May 29, 2025 | 1ZB868J50412801113 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 14 | Sartoro | 6341 | Thompson Sky Blue Windowpane Jacket — Selections (pick stitching) | Jacket add-on | 50 | Pick stitching upcharge on the jacket above | — | May 16, 2025 | May 29, 2025 | 1ZB868J50412801113 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 15 | Sartoro | 6374 | Navy Sharkskin Pants | Pants | 169 | 1502 - Navy Sharkskin | 3503 - Textured Brown | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | Navy Sharkskin | May 20, 2025 | May 29, 2025 | 1ZB868J50412801113 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 16 | Sartoro | 6393 | Off-White Prince of Wales Pants | Pants | 179 | 1207 - Off-White Prince of Wales | 3401 - Rimmed Black | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | Off-White Prince of Wales | May 26, 2025 | Jun 4, 2025 | 1ZB868J50434868430 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 17 | Sartoro | (not legible) | Ellis Off-White Prince of Wales Jacket | Jacket | 469 | 1207 - Off-White Prince of Wales | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9086 - Carolina Blue Satin | Single breasted, two button; wide notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents; pick stitching (+$50 selection line) | Off-White Prince of Wales | Jun 8, 2025 | Jun 16, 2025 | 1ZB868J50424878279 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 18 | Sartoro | (not legible) | Ellis Off-White Prince of Wales Jacket — Selections (pick stitching) | Jacket add-on | 50 | Pick stitching upcharge on the jacket above | — | Jun 8, 2025 | Jun 16, 2025 | 1ZB868J50424878279 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 19 | Sartoro | 6529 | Shimmer Grey Pants | Pants | 129 | Shimmer Grey | Jun 21, 2025 | Jun 30, 2025 | 1ZB868J50438376982 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 20 | Sartoro | 6529 | Silk Satin Turquoise Pocket Square | Accessory | 19 | — | Jun 21, 2025 | Jun 30, 2025 | 1ZB868J50438376982 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 21 | Sartoro | 6562 | Aspen Green Hopsack Pants | Pants | 209 | 4301 - Aspen Green Hopsack | 3102 - Accented Cream | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | Aspen Green Hopsack | Jun 27, 2025 | Sep 3, 2025 | 1ZB868J50414180335 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 22 | Sartoro | 6586 | Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack Jacket (1st) | Jacket | 479 | 4301 - Aspen Green Hopsack | 3102 - Accented Cream | 9003 - Cream Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Aspen Green Hopsack | Jun 30, 2025 | Sep 3, 2025 | 1ZB868J50414180335 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 23 | Sartoro | 6606 | Bryant Navy Sharkskin Jacket | Jacket | 469 | 1502 - Navy Sharkskin | 3104 - Accented Blue | 9027 - Royal Blue Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents; pick stitching (+$50 selection line) | Navy Sharkskin | Jul 3, 2025 | Jul 25, 2025 | 1ZB868J50438857702 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 24 | Sartoro | 6606 | Bryant Navy Sharkskin Jacket — Selections (pick stitching) | Jacket add-on | 50 | Pick stitching upcharge on the jacket above | — | Jul 3, 2025 | Jul 25, 2025 | 1ZB868J50438857702 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 25 | Sartoro | 6692 | Navy Blue Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | 2609 - Navy Blue Stretch | 3104 - Accented Blue | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Jul 20, 2025 | Jul 25, 2025 | 1ZB868J50438857702 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 26 | Sartoro | 6724 | Light Grey Stretch Pants | Pants | 139 | | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Jul 26, 2025 | Aug 4, 2025 | 1ZB868J50422985906 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 27 | Sartoro | 6751 | Black Pindot Pants | Pants | not visible | Black Pindot | Aug 1, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50439782139 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 28 | Sartoro | 6751 | White Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt | Shirt | not visible | PERCENTAGE SALE ORDER discount of -$60.00 applied on this line | — | Aug 1, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50439782139 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 29 | Sartoro | 6790 | Monroe Shimmer Grey Jacket | Jacket | 369 | 1604 - Shimmer Grey | 3501 - Textured Black | 9036 - Mulberry Plum Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Shimmer Grey | Aug 7, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50439782139 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 30 | Sartoro | (not shown) | Ellis Black Pindot Jacket | Jacket | not visible | 4406 - Black Pindot | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9025 - Opera Mauve Purple Satin | Single breasted, two button; wide notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; GOLD piping (not Sartoro); double vents; pick stitching (+$50 selection line) | Black Pindot | Aug 7, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50439782139 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 31 | Sartoro | (not shown) | Ellis Black Pindot Jacket — Selections (pick stitching) | Jacket add-on | 50 | Pick stitching upcharge on the jacket above | — | Aug 7, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | 1ZB868J50439782139 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 32 | Sartoro | 6949 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Pants | Pants | 215 | Sartoro 255172 (inferred — see note) | 3004 - Navy Blue | Flat front; belt loops; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; unlined leg; no tuxedo stripe; plain blind hem | RENAMED Aug 13, 2026: owner confirms these are BAMBOO. The order line showed neither the word Bamboo nor a fabric code, so the workbook recorded them as "Polo Blue Glen Plaid Pants" and they were invisible to any search for blue bamboo trousers. They share fabric group 255172 with the two Polo Blue Glen Plaid BAMBOO jackets. | Polo Blue Glen Plaid | Sep 3, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | 1ZB868J50407847978 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 33 | Sartoro | 6949 | Deep Blue Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt | Shirt | 165 | Customize style; standard collar; no chest pocket; standard front placket; single bevelled two-button cuff; long length; extra slim fit | — | Sep 3, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | 1ZB868J50407847978 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 34 | Sartoro | 6964 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (1st) | Jacket | 550 | Sartoro 255172 | 3402 - Rimmed Blue | 8508 - Teal Large Paisley (+$20) | Single breasted, two button; regular notch lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Polo Blue Glen Plaid | Sep 8, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | 1ZB868J50407847978 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 35 | Sartoro | 6964 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (1st) — Selections (lining upgrade) | Jacket add-on | 20 | 8508 - Teal Large Paisley | Lining upgrade charge on the jacket above | — | Sep 8, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | 1ZB868J50407847978 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 36 | Sartoro | 7072 | Shimmer Black Vest | Vest | not visible | 1603 - Shimmer Black | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9011 - Turquoise Satin | Single breasted, five button; standard neck; standard side pockets; no chest pocket | Shimmer Black | Oct 11, 2025 | Oct 18, 2025 | 1ZB868J50402052380 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 37 | Sartoro | 7133 | Monroe Shimmer Black Jacket (tuxedo variant) | Jacket | 360 | 1603 - Shimmer Black | 9011 - Turquoise Satin | Single breasted, one button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents; tuxedo satin 9021 Grey Satin (+$89) | Shimmer Black | Oct 27, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50405140609 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 38 | Sartoro | 7133 | Monroe Shimmer Black Jacket — Selections (tuxedo satin) | Jacket add-on | 89 | 9021 - Grey Satin | Tuxedo satin upcharge on the jacket above | — | Oct 27, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50405140609 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 39 | Sartoro | 7142 | Sky Blue Windowpane Vest | Vest | 150 | 2012 - Sky Blue Windowpane | 3403 - Rimmed Brown | 9025 - Opera Mauve Purple Satin | Single breasted, five button; standard neck; standard side pockets; no chest pocket | Sky Blue Windowpane | Nov 2, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50405140609 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 40 | Sartoro | 7146 | Black Pindot Vest | Vest | 180 | 4406 - Black Pindot | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9025 - Opera Mauve Purple Satin | Single breasted, five button; standard neck; standard side pockets; no chest pocket | Black Pindot | Nov 4, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50405140609 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 41 | Sartoro | (not shown) | Off-White Prince of Wales Vest | Vest | 160 | 1207 - Off-White Prince of Wales | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9086 - Carolina Blue Satin | Single breasted, five button; standard neck; standard side pockets; no chest pocket | Off-White Prince of Wales | (not shown) | Nov 14, 2025 | 1ZB868J50418869737 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 42 | Sartoro | 7241 | Charcoal Stretch Pants | Pants | 116.25 | 3501 - Obsidian | Flat front; belt loops; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; unlined leg; no tuxedo stripe; plain blind hem; list $155.00, paid $116.25 after CYBER MONDAY bundle discount (-$38.75) | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Dec 2, 2025 | Dec 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50401477316 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 43 | Sartoro | 7241 | Collar Stays — 3 Pairs | Accessory | 12 | — | Dec 2, 2025 | Dec 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50401477316 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 44 | Sartoro | 7241 | Black Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt | Shirt | 123.75 | Customize style; cutaway collar; no chest pocket; French front placket; single rounded cuff; long length; extra slim fit; list $165.00, paid $123.75 after CYBER MONDAY bundle discount (-$41.25) | — | Dec 2, 2025 | Dec 11, 2025 | 1ZB868J50401477316 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 45 | Sartoro | 7301 | Diamantia Teal Stretch Pants | Pants | 150 | 2605 - Diamantia Teal Stretch | 3403 - Rimmed Brown | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | — | Dec 23, 2025 | Dec 31, 2025 | 1ZB868J5DA18425616 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 46 | Sartoro | 7311 | Midnight Black Vest | Vest | 135 | 2601 - Midnight Black Stretch | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9081 - Burnt Red Satin | DOUBLE BREASTED, six button; peak lapels (+$15); standard side pockets; no chest pocket | Midnight Black Stretch | Dec 30, 2025 | Jan 14, 2026 | 1ZB868J5DH32582023 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 47 | Sartoro | 7311 | Midnight Black Vest — Selections (peak lapels) | Vest add-on | 15 | Peak lapel upcharge on the vest above | — | Dec 30, 2025 | Jan 14, 2026 | 1ZB868J5DH32582023 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 48 | Sartoro | 7311 | Hudson Midnight Black Stretch Jacket | Jacket | 385 | 2601 - Midnight Black Stretch | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 9081 - Burnt Red Satin | Single breasted, two button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; functional four-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | FABRIC IS COTTON — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026: "all the Stretch Sartoro pants are cotton." NOT Sartoro branded Stretch Wool, of which he owns none. | Midnight Black Stretch | Dec 30, 2025 | Jan 14, 2026 | 1ZB868J5DH32582023 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 49 | Sartoro | 7625 | Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants | Pants | 215 | Sartoro 255147 | 3401 - Rimmed Black | Flat front; belt loops; no suspender buttons; no dinner split; angled side pockets; dual rear pockets; blind hem; no break | — | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 50 | Sartoro | 7625 | Ellis Black Pindot Jacket (2nd) | Jacket | 545 | 4406 - Black Pindot | 3401 - Rimmed Black | 8504 - Drab Gold Large Paisley (+$20) | Single breasted, two button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; NON-functional five-button kissing cuffs; GOLD piping (not Sartoro); double vents | Black Pindot | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 51 | Sartoro | 7625 | Ellis Black Pindot Jacket (2nd) — Selections (lining upgrade) | Jacket add-on | 20 | 8504 - Drab Gold Large Paisley | Lining upgrade charge on the jacket above | — | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 52 | Sartoro | 7625 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (2nd) | Jacket | 550 | Sartoro 255172 | 3402 - Rimmed Blue | 8508 - Teal Large Paisley (+$20) | Single breasted, two button; regular peak lapels; standard side pockets; NON-functional five-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Polo Blue Glen Plaid | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 53 | Sartoro | 7625 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (2nd) — Selections (lining upgrade) | Jacket add-on | 20 | 8508 - Teal Large Paisley | Lining upgrade charge on the jacket above | — | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 54 | Sartoro | 7625 | Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack Jacket (2nd) | Jacket | 550 | 4301 - Aspen Green Hopsack | 3403 - Rimmed Brown | 9003 - Cream Satin | Single breasted, two button; narrow peak lapels; standard side pockets; functional five-button kissing cuffs; Sartoro piping; double vents | Aspen Green Hopsack | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | 1ZB868J56738599329 | Sartoro digital tailor profile — Jan 28, 2025 (unchanged across every order) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 55 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Jacket 486.367/4 | Jacket | 734 | Mid Blue Check Pure S110's Wool | Rust/brown lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; notch lapel | SS Mid Blue Check | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 56 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Trousers 486.367/4 | Pants | 259 | Mid Blue Check Pure S110's Wool | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | SS Mid Blue Check | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 57 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Waistcoat 486.367/4 | Vest | 219 | Mid Blue Check Pure S110's Wool | Rust/brown lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; DOUBLE BREASTED with peak lapels | SS Mid Blue Check | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 58 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Jacket 7163/5 | Jacket | 574 | Black Wool Stretch | Red lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; notch lapel | SS Black Wool Stretch | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 59 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Trousers 7163/5 | Pants | 199 | Black Wool Stretch | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size not shown on the captured screen | SS Black Wool Stretch | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 60 | Suitsupply | 04127707425 | Custom Made Waistcoat 7163/5 | Vest | 179 | Black Wool Stretch | Red lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; single breasted, five button | SS Black Wool Stretch | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 61 | Suitsupply | PSUS02480464 | Custom Made Jacket 586.801/6 | Jacket | 724 | Dark Grey Pure S110's Wool | Light grey lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; notch lapel | SS Dark Grey S110's | (not shown) | Dec 19, 2025 | Suitsupply order PSUS02480464 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 62 | Suitsupply | PSUS02480464 | Custom Made Trousers 586.801/6 | Pants | 249 | Dark Grey Pure S110's Wool | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | SS Dark Grey S110's | (not shown) | Dec 19, 2025 | Suitsupply order PSUS02480464 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 63 | Suitsupply | PSUS02480464 | Custom Made Waistcoat 586.801/6 | Vest | 209 | Dark Grey Pure S110's Wool | Light grey lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; single breasted, five button | SS Dark Grey S110's | (not shown) | Dec 19, 2025 | Suitsupply order PSUS02480464 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 64 | Suitsupply | 04119572340 | Custom Made Jacket 188.481/13 | Jacket | 834 | Dark Blue Bird's eye Pure S130's Wool | Grey lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; notch lapel | SS Dark Blue Bird's eye S130's | (not shown) | Feb 18, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04119572340 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 65 | Suitsupply | 04119572340 | Custom Made Trousers 188.481/13 | Pants | 359 | Dark Blue Bird's eye Pure S130's Wool | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | SS Dark Blue Bird's eye S130's | (not shown) | Feb 18, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04119572340 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 66 | Suitsupply | 04119572340 | Custom Made Waistcoat 188.481/13 | Vest | 239 | Dark Blue Bird's eye Pure S130's Wool | Grey lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; single breasted, five button | SS Dark Blue Bird's eye S130's | (not shown) | Feb 18, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04119572340 | Suitsupply PRE-revision — Plano in-store fitting (~Dec 2025). Jacket 36 Havana / Trousers 28 Brescia Slim Leg / Waistcoat 36 Ferrara. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 67 | Suitsupply | 04123377141 | Custom Made Jacket 595.401/30 | Jacket | 584 | Mid Blue Pure Tropical Wool | Off-white lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; notch lapel | SS Mid Blue Tropical | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04123377141 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 68 | Suitsupply | 04123377141 | Custom Made Trousers 595.401/30 | Pants | 209 | Mid Blue Pure Tropical Wool | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | SS Mid Blue Tropical | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04123377141 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 69 | Suitsupply | 04123377141 | Custom Made Waistcoat 595.401/30 | Vest | 189 | Mid Blue Pure Tropical Wool | Off-white lining (per product image) | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; single breasted, five button | SS Mid Blue Tropical | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04123377141 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 70 | Suitsupply | 04125554953 | Custom Made Trousers 75282/1 | Pants | 389 | Light Blue Wool Silk Linen | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | — | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04125554953 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 71 | Suitsupply | 04125554953 | Custom Made Jacket 10069.1/131 | Jacket | 764 | Purple Wool Silk Linen | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 36; two-button; peak lapel | SS Purple Wool Silk Linen | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04125554953 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 72 | Suitsupply | 04130095970 | White Crewneck (stock item) | Knitwear | 129 | Stock item (NOT custom made); size M | — | (not shown) | Apr 18, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04130095970 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 73 | Suitsupply | 04130095970 | Custom Made Trousers 10069.1/131 | Pants | 389 | Purple Wool Silk Linen | CUSTOM MADE — fitted in store; base size 28 | SS Purple Wool Silk Linen | (not shown) | Apr 18, 2026 | Suitsupply order 04130095970 | Suitsupply POST-revision — online profiles created Feb 18, 2026 ('length/width20260218' jacket, 'shortened20260218' trousers). INFERRED from order-number sequence and delivery date; Suitsupply never showed an order date. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 74 | Oliver Wicks | OW-LGPP | Light Grey Pick & Pick — Just a Jacket | Jacket | 559 | Light Grey Pick & Pick | Two buttons | Solid Burgundy | CUSTOM MADE (made in Europe); notch lapels 3-3.2 in; two vents; two buttons; straight pockets; HALF CANVAS; no monogram; pick stitching; boutonniere; UNPADDED SHOULDERS. Status: Finished | OW Light Grey Pick & Pick | (not shown) | (not shown — status Finished) | Oliver Wicks (no order # on screen) | Oliver Wicks garment-measurement profile (final garment specs, not body). Pending changes for next order: jacket length +5 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, shoulders -1 cm. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 75 | Oliver Wicks | OW-LGPP | Light Grey Pick & Pick — Just a Pair of Pants | Pants | 249 | Light Grey Pick & Pick | CUSTOM MADE (made in Europe); two back pockets. Status: Finished | OW Light Grey Pick & Pick | (not shown) | (not shown — status Finished) | Oliver Wicks (no order # on screen) | Oliver Wicks garment-measurement profile (final garment specs, not body). Pending changes for next order: jacket length +5 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, shoulders -1 cm. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 76 | Oliver Wicks | OW-LGPP | Express Starter Kit | Accessory | not visible | NON-CUSTOM items; status Shipped. Price not shown on the captured screen — details were collapsed behind 'View Details'. | — | (not shown) | (not shown — status Shipped) | Oliver Wicks (no order # on screen) | Oliver Wicks garment-measurement profile (final garment specs, not body). Pending changes for next order: jacket length +5 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, shoulders -1 cm. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 77 | Black Lapel | 500043056 | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane - jackets | Jacket | shown as $0.00 — see note | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane | Match (button color) | Purple Solid | 2 Button; Double Vent; HALF CANVAS; Notched Lapel; straight pockets; PICKED STITCHING; no embroidery; four sleeve buttons; buttonholes: accent last buttonhole on sleeve only, main buttonhole color, accent buttonhole color | BL Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane | Oct 20, 2025 | Aug 6, 2025 | DHL Express 9871805576 | Black Lapel patterns — Jacket/Pants/Vest defaults dated Nov 7, 2025 and named 'from SS measurements'; Shirt Pattern Jul 1, 2025; Overcoat Pattern May 7, 2025. NOTE: these two garments were DELIVERED/SHIPPED before the Nov 7, 2025 patterns existed, so they were cut to an EARLIER pattern that is no longer on screen. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 78 | Black Lapel | 500042957 | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane - Pants | Pants | shown as $0.00 — see note | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane | Match (button color) | Plain front; no cuff; standard pant construction; standard button rear pockets; standard waistband | BL Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane | Oct 20, 2025 | NOT CONFIRMED — status 'On its way' Oct 20, 2025 | DHL Express 2172130671 | Black Lapel patterns — Jacket/Pants/Vest defaults dated Nov 7, 2025 and named 'from SS measurements'; Shirt Pattern Jul 1, 2025; Overcoat Pattern May 7, 2025. NOTE: these two garments were DELIVERED/SHIPPED before the Nov 7, 2025 patterns existed, so they were cut to an EARLIER pattern that is no longer on screen. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 79 | Hangrr | HNG1731758 | Deep Purple Wool Suit — Jacket | Jacket | 379.008 | Deep Purple Wool | Two buttons; monogram 'Jesse Myers' | Satin lining | CUSTOM MADE; fit MODERN-SLIM; canvas CLASSIC (machine-made half-canvas, rolled lapels & satin lining); PEAK lapel; two buttons; straight-flap pockets; double back-cut vents; garment bag included (+$0). OWNER-REPORTED: THIS JACKET FITS FINE. | HG Deep Purple Wool | Mar 17, 2026 | NOT CONFIRMED — status 'Order Shipped' | FedEx Priority 871363128047 | Hangrr saved measurement profile (inches, no date on screen): chest 38 · shoulder 17.2 · sleeve 24.4 · BICEP 12.3 · jacket length 30.5 · waist 32.75 · pant length 40 · thigh 19. Jacket waist field reads 0 (unset). | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 80 | Hangrr | HNG1731758 | Deep Purple Wool Suit — Trousers | Pants | included in suit price | Deep Purple Wool | CUSTOM MADE; sold as part of the suit above (Extra trouser: No, Extra waistcoat: No); CROSS-POCKETS. No separate price is shown — the $379.008 covers jacket + trousers. | HG Deep Purple Wool | Mar 17, 2026 | NOT CONFIRMED — status 'Order Shipped' | FedEx Priority 871363128047 | Hangrr saved measurement profile (inches, no date on screen): chest 38 · shoulder 17.2 · sleeve 24.4 · BICEP 12.3 · jacket length 30.5 · waist 32.75 · pant length 40 · thigh 19. Jacket waist field reads 0 (unset). | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 81 | Hangrr | HNG1733063 | Deep Purple Wool Vest | Vest | 138.24 | Deep Purple Wool | Monogram 'Jesse Myers' | FULL-LINED | CUSTOM MADE; fit SLIM; STRUCTURED; construction CLASSIC (machine-made half-canvas, rolled lapels & satin lining); full-lined. Completes the Deep Purple Wool three-piece, ordered ~8 weeks after the suit. | HG Deep Purple Wool | May 9, 2026 | NOT CONFIRMED — status 'Order Shipped' | FedEx Priority 873033148772 | Hangrr saved measurement profile (inches, no date on screen): chest 38 · shoulder 17.2 · sleeve 24.4 · BICEP 12.3 · jacket length 30.5 · waist 32.75 · pant length 40 · thigh 19. Jacket waist field reads 0 (unset). | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 82 | Hangrr | HNG1733063 | Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer | Jacket | 332.928 | Fuji Purple Velvet | Two buttons; monogram 'Jesse Myers' | FULL-LINED | CUSTOM MADE; fit SLIM; STRUCTURED; construction CLASSIC; PEAK lapel, NORMAL lapel width; straight-flap pockets; pick stitching YES; functional boutonniere YES; functional sleeve buttonholes YES; no waist pocket; no pen pocket. OWNER-REPORTED: THE ARMS ARE WAY TOO SMALL — this garment does not fit. | — | May 9, 2026 | NOT CONFIRMED — status 'Order Shipped' | FedEx Priority 873033148772 | Hangrr saved measurement profile (inches, no date on screen): chest 38 · shoulder 17.2 · sleeve 24.4 · BICEP 12.3 · jacket length 30.5 · waist 32.75 · pant length 40 · thigh 19. Jacket waist field reads 0 (unset). | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 83 | Suitsupply | PSUS01884781 | Custom Made Shirt Q6A.F3405816/1 — White | Shirt | 209 | White Lyocell Silk | Size 15 · Standard fit · custom made | RE-ORDER ALTERATIONS (owner, Aug 13 2026): shoulders -0.5 in minimum, waist -1 in, chest -1 in, sleeves -1 to -1.5 in. Too full in four dimensions and too long in the sleeve. | F3405816 | ~Mar 16, 2025 | Apr 5, 2025 | In-store pickup, Plano | Suitsupply SHIRT profile — Size 15, 2025 Tailored Fit, Standard fit, created Plano (OLD ACCOUNT) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 84 | Suitsupply | 0466666362 | Custom Made Shirt A.F3405816/4490 — Black | Shirt | 219 | Black Lyocell Silk | Size 15 · Standard fit · custom made | RE-ORDER ALTERATIONS (owner, Aug 13 2026): shoulders -0.5 in minimum, waist -1 in, chest -1 in, sleeves -1 to -1.5 in. Too full in four dimensions and too long in the sleeve. | F3405816 | May 1, 2025 | Jun 3, 2025 | — | Suitsupply SHIRT profile — Size 15, 2025 Tailored Fit, Standard fit, created Plano (OLD ACCOUNT) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||
| 85 | Suitsupply | 04102842679 | Black Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 129 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Nov 28, 2025 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 86 | Suitsupply | 04102842679 | Black Polo Cardigan (M) | Knitwear | 129 | Size M · stock — LIKELY TOO BIG | (not shown) | Nov 28, 2025 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse | UNRESOLVED — size M, likely too big. Disposal not established. | ||||
| 87 | Suitsupply | 04104907118 | Off-White Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 129 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Dec 20, 2025 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 88 | Suitsupply | 04104907118 | Black Long Sleeve Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 139 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Dec 20, 2025 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 89 | Suitsupply | 04112780112 | Off-White Long Sleeve Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 139 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 6, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 90 | Suitsupply | 04112780112 | Navy Long Sleeve Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 139 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 6, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 91 | Suitsupply | 04112780112 | Navy Polo Cardigan (S) | Knitwear | 129 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 6, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 92 | Suitsupply | 04112780112 | Black Merino Long Sleeve Polo Cardigan (M) | Knitwear | 109 | Merino | Size M · stock — LIKELY TOO BIG | (not shown) | Jan 6, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse | UNRESOLVED — size M, likely too big. Disposal not established. | |||
| 93 | Suitsupply | 04112819661 | Navy Short Sleeve Crewneck (S) | Knitwear | 109 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 31, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 94 | Suitsupply | 04112819661 | Black Short Sleeve Crewneck (S) | Knitwear | 109 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 31, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 95 | Suitsupply | 04112819661 | Off-White Short Sleeve Crewneck (S) | Knitwear | 109 | Size S · stock | (not shown) | Jan 31, 2026 | — | Stock size S/M — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 96 | Wool & Prince | 190825 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Navy (S) | Knitwear | 75.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $80.00 · 6% volume discount -$4.80 | Nov 22, 2025 | Nov 28, 2025 | USPS 9400150899563184037554 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 97 | Wool & Prince | 190825 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Black (S) | Knitwear | 75.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $80.00 · 6% volume discount -$4.80 | Nov 22, 2025 | Nov 28, 2025 | USPS 9400150899563184037554 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 98 | Wool & Prince | 197956 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Orange Horizon (S) | Knitwear | 51.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $64.00 · EXTRA 20% OFF SALE -$12.80 | Jan 28, 2026 | Feb 2, 2026 | USPS 9434650899562118640732 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 99 | Wool & Prince | 197956 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Cerulean Blue (S) | Knitwear | 51.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $64.00 · EXTRA 20% OFF SALE -$12.80 | Jan 28, 2026 | Feb 2, 2026 | USPS 9434650899562118640732 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 100 | Wool & Prince | 197956 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Navy (S) | Knitwear | 75.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $80.00 · 6% volume discount -$4.80 | Jan 28, 2026 | Feb 2, 2026 | USPS 9434650899562118640732 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 101 | Wool & Prince | 197956 | Signature Crew Neck Tee — Black (S) | Knitwear | 75.2 | Merino wool | Size S · list $80.00 · 6% volume discount -$4.80 | Jan 28, 2026 | Feb 2, 2026 | USPS 9434650899562118640732 | Stock size S — not made to measure | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 102 | Allen Edmonds | 005010789907 | Landon Cap-toe Boot — Carbon Grey | Footwear | Leather | Size 9 B NARROW — ONLY NON-D WIDTH FOUND ANYWHERE | Dec 13, 2022 | Dec 15, 2022 | PST archive | US 9 in B NARROW — a width tradeoff, not a boot-last effect | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 103 | Allen Edmonds | 005013706130 | Wilder Venetian Slip-on Loafer — Denim Blue Suede | Footwear | 99.97 | Suede | Size 9.5 D · FINAL SALE, no returns | May 23, 2023 | May 26, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.5 D | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 104 | Allen Edmonds | 005013706130 | Charles Double Monk Strap — Black Leather | Footwear | 395 | Leather | Size 9.5 D · likely returned (see 005013798277) | May 23, 2023 | May 26, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.5 D | Jesse | PROBABLE RETURN — see order 005013798277. | |||
| 105 | Allen Edmonds | 005013798277 | Charles Double Monk Strap — Black Leather | Footwear | 395 | Leather | Size 9.0 D · SIZE TEST — same shoe re-ordered 6 days later one size down | May 29, 2023 | May 31, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.0 D | Jesse | PROBABLE RETURN — 9.0 size test, re-ordered 6 days later one size down. | |||
| 106 | Allen Edmonds | 005014288596 | Charles Double Monk Strap — Black Leather | Footwear | 262.49 | Leather | Size 9.5 D · third Charles purchase, discounted | Jul 9, 2023 | Jul 12, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.5 D | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 107 | Allen Edmonds | 005014497904 | Randolph Slip-on Suede Sneaker — Grey Suede | Footwear | 149.97 | Suede | Size 9.5 D | Jul 24, 2023 | Jul 27, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.5 D | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 108 | Allen Edmonds | 005014497904 | Charles Double Monk Strap — Dark Chili Leather | Footwear | 299.98 | Leather | Size 9.5 D · FOURTH Charles | Jul 24, 2023 | Jul 27, 2023 | PST archive | US 9.5 D | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||
| 109 | Christian Louboutin | STA000000000288296 | Louis Junior Sneaker — Black | Footwear | 845 | Leather | Size 42.5 EU — retailer printed "(9.5D US)". WIDTH CONFIRMED D. | Jul 4, 2023 | Jul 8, 2023 | Neiman Marcus | EU 42.5 = US 9.5 D per Neiman Marcus conversion | Jesse | OWNED — owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026 | |||
| 110 | Hogan | 2401354042 | Loafers Hogan H600 — BLUE | Footwear | 392 | Leather | Size 8.5 UK — Hogan printed "(10 US)". OWNED, TOO BIG, LOW ROTATION. | Jul 14, 2023 | Jul 20, 2023 | Tod's Group | Hogan 8.5 = US 10 per Tod's conversion — a FULL SIZE above dress range | Jesse | OWNED — too big, low rotation. Owner-confirmed. | |||
| 111 | Raf Simons | N7DLKX | Orion low-top sneakers | Footwear | 175 | Size 44 EU | Jul 15, 2022 | ~Jul 25-28, 2022 | Farfetch | EU 44 — largest shoe recorded | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 112 | Saks Fifth Avenue | 305298280 | Single-Button Slim-Fit Tuxedo — SOLID BLUE | Jacket | Size 50 (40) R — THE 40R JACKET | Mar 24, 2023 | Mar 29, 2023 | Saks | EU 50 = 40R. Pre-weight-loss body. This is the stale 40R spec named in Why Things Changed. | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |||||
| 113 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke Mock Neck Quarter Zip — Black | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 114 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke Mock Neck Quarter Zip — Red | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 115 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke Mock Neck Quarter Zip — Dark Navy | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 116 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke V-Neck Pullover Sweater — Red | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 117 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke V-Neck Pullover Sweater — Dark Navy | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 118 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke V-Neck Pullover Sweater — Black | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 119 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke Button Mock Sweater — Dark Navy | Knitwear | 39.99 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 120 | Dillard's | 707549675 | Roundtree & Yorke Performance Stretch Crewneck — Black | Knitwear | 27 | Size L | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Dillard's | Alpha L — Dec 2023 pre-loss baseline | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | ||||
| 121 | Hiroshi Kato | 88787 | The Pen Slim etched — Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge | Pants | 193.5 | Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · ETCHED = 4-way stretch selvedge, coloured weft | None | Dec 25, 2025 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 122 | Hiroshi Kato | 90930 | The Pen Slim — Rain 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 258 | Rain 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · card 6516 (same card as Archer 4449) | None | Jan 17, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 123 | Hiroshi Kato | 91411 | The Pen Slim — Copper Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 238 | Copper Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming | None | Jan 26, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 124 | Hiroshi Kato | 91647 | The Pen Slim — Gray Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 238 | Gray Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · 1 of 3 on this order | None | Jan 30, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 125 | Hiroshi Kato | 91647 | The Pen Slim — Dark Green Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 238 | Dark Green Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · 2 of 3 | None | Jan 30, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 126 | Hiroshi Kato | 91647 | The Pen Slim — Dennis 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 268 | Dennis 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · 3 of 3 | None | Jan 30, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 127 | Hiroshi Kato | 92545 | The Pen Slim — Chuck 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 248 | Chuck 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · 1 of 2 | None | Feb 15, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 128 | Hiroshi Kato | 92545 | The Pen Slim — Black Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 238 | Black Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · 2 of 2 · EASIEST PAIR TO TEST FOR ELASTANE % | None | Feb 15, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 129 | Hiroshi Kato | 93272 | The Pen Slim Stretch 16w CORDUROY — Charcoal | Pants | 209 | Stretch 16w Corduroy | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · CORDUROY not denim · explicitly STRETCH | None | Feb 26, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 130 | Hiroshi Kato | 93272 | The SCISSORS Slim tapered — Ace 10.5oz Selvedge | Pants | 258 | Ace 10.5oz Selvedge | None | None | Size 29 · no hemming · SECOND KATO FIT · tapered — 13in opening may not hold | None | Feb 26, 2026 | (not shown) | UPS Ground | Kato RTW size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 131 | Mauvais | USA183092 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W30 · THE ONLY W30 · likely the returned pair | None | Feb 27, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse | PROBABLE RETURN — W30, unconfirmed. Refund never traced. |
| 132 | Mauvais | USA184446 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — TAUPE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 17, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 133 | Mauvais | USA184446 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — NAVY | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 17, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 134 | Mauvais | USA184446 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BLACK | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 17, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 135 | Mauvais | USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — NAVY | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 136 | Mauvais | USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BEIGE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 137 | Mauvais | USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — TAUPE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 138 | Mauvais | USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE (qty 2) | Pants | 150 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 · two identical pairs on one line | None | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 139 | Mauvais | USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chino SHORTS — BEIGE (qty 2) | Shorts | 130 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 · $65.00 each · FIRST SHORTS IN THE WORKBOOK | None | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 140 | Mauvais | USA186431 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BEIGE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Apr 14, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 141 | Mauvais | USA186431 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | Pants | 75 | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 | None | Apr 14, 2026 | (not shown) | FedEx Economy | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 142 | Mauvais | 07-14346-79815 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE (eBay) | Pants | Cotton stretch chino | None | None | W28 · bought via eBay · AMOUNT NOT READ | None | Mar 9, 2026 | Mar 16, 2026 | eBay | Mauvais W28 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 143 | Archer Apparel | 3194 | The Cords — BLUE | Pants | 148.5 | Corduroy | None | None | MTM · RETURNED Feb 2025, return unresolved | None | Jan 26, 2025 | (not shown) | Archer | Archer MTM 30/31 | Jesse | RETURN REQUESTED Feb 2025 — UNRESOLVED as of May 2026. |
| 144 | Archer Apparel | 3196 | The Cords — colour not read (Purple inferred) | Pants | 148.5 | Corduroy | None | None | MTM · asked to cancel, shipped anyway | None | Jan 26, 2025 | (not shown) | Archer | Archer MTM 30/31 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 145 | Archer Apparel | 3965 | The Cords — BLACK | Pants | Corduroy | None | None | MTM · PRICE NOT READ | None | Sep 29, 2025 | (not shown) | Archer | Archer MTM 30/31 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established | |
| 146 | Archer Apparel | 4449 | The Cords — SKY BLUE | Pants | 238 | Corduroy | None | None | MTM · size 30/31 · free ship, zero tax · card 6516 | None | Nov 21, 2025 | (not shown) | Archer | Archer MTM 30/31 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 147 | Naked & Famous | (see N&F tab) | Super Guy — 4 pairs, black and indigo | Pants | 747 | Selvedge denim, Power Stretch | None | None | Size 29 · 12.5in opening · SNEAKER register · Canadian-made, duty-free to USA | None | (see tab) | (see tab) | N&F | N&F size 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 148 | Banana Republic Factory | 1R4PMVW | Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Wicked | Knitwear | 13.5 | Linen blend | None | None | Size S · was $45.00, paid $18.00 then promo -$4.50 | None | Jul 4, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | Alpha S — current | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 149 | Banana Republic Factory | 1R4PMVW | Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Seaport Blue | Knitwear | 16.88 | Linen blend | None | None | Size S · was $45.00, paid $22.50 then promo -$5.62 | None | Jul 4, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | Alpha S — current | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 150 | Banana Republic Factory | 1R4PMVW | Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Henley — Preppy Navy | Knitwear | 16.87 | Linen blend | None | None | Size S · was $45.00, paid $22.50 then promo -$5.63 | None | Jul 4, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | Alpha S — current | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 151 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Linen-Cotton Slub Sweater Polo — The Blues | Knitwear | 120 | Linen-cotton slub | None | None | Size S · full price | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 152 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Linen-Cotton Slub Sweater Polo — Cream White | Knitwear | 120 | Linen-cotton slub | None | None | Size S · full price | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 153 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Textured Cotton LS Sweater Polo — White | Knitwear | 44.99 | Textured cotton | None | None | Size S · was $98.00 | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 154 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Soft Yellow | Knitwear | 54.99 | Merino wool | None | None | Size S · was $90.00 | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 155 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Bright Blue | Knitwear | 54.99 | Merino wool | None | None | Size S · was $90.00 | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 156 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Antique Ruby Red | Knitwear | 54.99 | Merino wool | None | None | Size S · was $90.00 | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | Alpha S (2 items M) | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 157 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Relaxed Linen T-Shirt — Black [WIFE — NOT JESSE] | Knitwear | 55 | Linen | None | None | Size M · RELAXED FIT · *** PURCHASED FOR WIFE, owner-confirmed Aug 14 2026. NOT part of Jesse's wardrobe. *** | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | N/A — not Jesse | Wife | OWNED — by wife. Confirmed Aug 14, 2026: bought for her, still held. |
| 158 | Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Relaxed Linen T-Shirt — Cream White [WIFE — NOT JESSE] | Knitwear | 55 | Linen | None | None | Size M · RELAXED FIT · *** PURCHASED FOR WIFE, owner-confirmed Aug 14 2026. NOT part of Jesse's wardrobe. *** | None | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Mastercard 4523 | N/A — not Jesse | Wife | OWNED — by wife. Confirmed Aug 14, 2026: bought for her, still held. |
| 159 | Banana Republic Factory | 1QTFP23 | Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Yellow Limestone | Knitwear | 14.4 | Linen blend | None | None | Size S · list $45.00, paid $18.00, promo -$3.60 · SKU 8584050710001 | None | Jun 15, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | Alpha S — current | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 160 | Banana Republic Factory | 1QTFP23 | Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Wicked | Knitwear | 21.6 | Linen blend | None | None | Size S · list $45.00, paid $27.00, promo -$5.40 · SKU 8584050910001 · SAME SKU re-bought Jul 4 | None | Jun 15, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | Alpha S — current | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 161 | Banana Republic Factory | 1R03L81 | Slim-Fit 7in Linen-Blend Short — Grey Stripe | Shorts | 28 | Linen blend | None | None | SIZE 29 · list $80.00, paid $35.00, promo -$7.00 · SKU 8534330710029 | None | Jun 18, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | BR waist 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 162 | Banana Republic Factory | 1R03L81 | Slim-Fit 7in Linen-Blend Short — SOFT WHITE (qty 3) | Shorts | 96 | Linen blend | None | None | SIZE 29 · THREE PAIRS · list $80.00 ea, paid $40.00 ea, promo -$24.00 · SKU 8534330110029 | None | Jun 18, 2026 | (not shown) | Apple Pay 0106 | BR waist 29 | Jesse (assumed) | UNRESOLVED — not established |
| 163 | Christian Louboutin | (no record) | Louis Junior Sneaker — WHITE | Footwear | Leather (assumed) | None | None | Size UNKNOWN — presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D by match to the black pair. NOT VERIFIED. | None | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | Presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D — unverified | Jesse | OWNED — owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | |
| 164 | Christian Louboutin | (no record) | Louis Junior Sneaker — BLUE SUEDE | Footwear | Suede | None | None | Size UNKNOWN — presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D. NOT VERIFIED. | None | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | Presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D — unverified | Jesse | OWNED — owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | |
| 165 | Christian Louboutin | (no record) | Louis Junior Sneaker — RED/BLACK MESH COMBO | Footwear | Mesh + leather | None | None | Size UNKNOWN — presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D. NOT VERIFIED. Only MESH upper in the workbook. | None | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | Owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | Presumed 42.5 EU / 9.5 D — unverified | Jesse | OWNED — owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 | |
| 166 | Christian Louboutin | (no receipt) | Cavafield Derby — BLACK | Footwear | 1390 | Reversed calf leather (nubuck) | None | None | Ref 3260796BK01. Rubber LUG sole, foamed insole, ribbed ankle trim. Size UNKNOWN. Louboutin chart: EU 42.5 = US 9.5. Price VERIFIED from louboutin.com Aug 14 2026; $1,390 is pre-tax pre-shipping per owner. | None | UNKNOWN | UNKNOWN | us.christianlouboutin.com | Louboutin EU sizing — runs true to size per brand | Jesse | OWNED — owner-declared Aug 14, 2026 |
| 167 | Bonobos | 328821897 | The Chino Short 2.0 — BRILLIANT WHITE (qty 2) | Shorts | 133.5 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 list, $66.75 each | None | Jun 19, 2025 | Jun 21, 2025 | Convey H68533527344 | Bonobos waist 29 | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 168 | Bonobos | 328821897 | The Chino Short 2.0 — ICE BLUE | Shorts | 66.75 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 list | None | Jun 19, 2025 | Jun 21, 2025 | Convey H68533527344 | Bonobos waist 29 | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 169 | Bonobos | 328821897 | The Chino Short 2.0 — PEARL GREY | Shorts | 66.75 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 list | None | Jun 19, 2025 | Jun 21, 2025 | Convey H68533527344 | Bonobos waist 29 | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 170 | Bonobos | 329694063 | The Chino Short 2.0 — CELESTIAL BLUE | Shorts | 89 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 list | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 171 | Bonobos | 329694063 | The Chino Short 2.0 — OYSTER GREY (qty 2) | Shorts | 178 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 ea | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 172 | Bonobos | 329694063 | The Chino Short 2.0 — BRILLIANT WHITE (qty 2) | Shorts | 178 | Stretch washed chino | None | None | 29in x 7in · SLIM · $89.00 ea · SAME COLOUR RE-BOUGHT 9 months after 328821897 | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 173 | Bonobos | 329694063 | Linen Polo — WHITE | Knitwear | 49 | Linen | None | None | Size S · FINAL SALE, no returns | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 174 | Bonobos | 329694063 | Linen Polo — BLACK | Knitwear | 49 | Linen | None | None | Size S · FINAL SALE, no returns | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 175 | Bonobos | 329694063 | Coastal Linen Short — COCONUT MILK (qty 2) | Shorts | 118 | LINEN | None | None | 29in x 7in · $59.00 ea · *** THE WHITE LINEN SHORTS *** | None | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Convey H70674628287 | Bonobos 29 / alpha S | Jesse | OWNED — assumed, not verified |
| 176 | Ledbury | W255207 | The Navy Blue Sandoval Oxford Chambray CUSTOM Shirt | Shirt | 135 | Oxford chambray | None | None | CUSTOM / made-to-order · Short spread alden collar · Extra-slim · 15 neck / 34 sleeve | None | Jul 12, 2025 | Jul 22, 2025 | Shopify · Air shipping | Ledbury 15/34 extra-slim | Jesse | OWNED — in rotation. Owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026. |
| 177 | Ledbury | W255207 | The Light Blue Brompton Mouline CUSTOM Shirt | Shirt | 135 | Mouline | None | None | CUSTOM / made-to-order · Short spread alden collar · Extra-slim · 15 neck / 34 sleeve | None | Jul 12, 2025 | Jul 22, 2025 | Shopify · Air shipping | Ledbury 15/34 extra-slim | Jesse | OWNED — in rotation. Owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026. |
| 178 | Ledbury | W248806 | The LIGHT GREY Brompton Mouline CUSTOM Shirt | Shirt | 85 | Mouline | None | None | CUSTOM · SEMI-SPREAD QUINT collar · Extra-slim · 15/34 · list $135, LEDBURY50 -$50 | None | Mar 15, 2025 | Mar 24, 2025 | Shopify · Air | Ledbury 15/34 extra-slim | Jesse | OWNED — in rotation. Owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026. |
| 179 | Ledbury | W247703 | The CHARCOAL Brompton Mouline CUSTOM Shirt (owner calls it dark gray) | Shirt | 135 | Mouline | None | None | CUSTOM · SEMI-SPREAD QUINT collar · Extra-slim · 15/34 · $135.00, no discount | None | Feb 17, 2025 | Mar 3, 2025 | Shopify · Air | Ledbury 15/34 extra-slim | Jesse | OWNED — in rotation. Owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026. |
FOLDED IN Aug 14, 2026 — the 30 rows above (pale blue) are Kato, Mauvais, Archer, Naked & Famous and Banana Republic.
Before this these five brands existed only on their own tabs and were absent from every master count and total.
Total of visible prices 19312.176
Notes:
• FOUR item prices remain cut off and are marked 'not visible': Black Pindot Pants and White Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt (#6751), the FIRST Ellis Black Pindot Jacket (Aug 7, 2025 order), and Shimmer Black Vest (#7072). The total above therefore UNDERSTATES actual merchandise value.
• Four order numbers were cut off: the Eminence Purple order (Feb 2025), the Ellis Off-White POW jacket order (Jun 8, 2025, from #D6061), the Ellis Black Pindot jacket order (Aug 7, 2025), and the Off-White POW Vest order (delivered Nov 14, 2025).
• REORDERS: THREE jackets were ordered a second time on #7625 with DIFFERENT specs — Ellis Black Pindot, Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo, and Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack. See the Reorders tab. All are separate physical garments, not duplicates in the data.
• Price Paid reflects what was actually charged. Two lines on #7241 were discounted 25% by a CYBER MONDAY bundle: Charcoal Stretch Pants ($155 list) and Black Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt ($165 list).
• Polo Blue Glen Plaid Pants at $215.00 is derived from #6949's $380.00 two-item subtotal minus the $165.00 shirt.
• Sky Blue Windowpane Vest at $150.00 is derived from #7142's $179.00 total minus $29 shipping.
• Every expanded line item shows Fit_Profile: Jan 28, 2025 — every garment across 14 months was cut to the same measurement profile.
• Two garments break the house pattern: Ellis Black Pindot uses GOLD piping, and the Midnight Black Vest is DOUBLE breasted six-button with peak lapels while every other vest is single breasted five-button.
• SUITSUPPLY ITEMS ARE CUSTOM MADE, not ready-to-wear — ordered from an in-store fitting. The 36 / 28 figures shown on the order screens are base pattern sizes. The White Crewneck is the only stock item in the whole inventory.
• Suitsupply has SIX complete three-piece suits (jacket + trousers + waistcoat sharing one model code) plus the two-piece Purple Wool Silk Linen.
• Suitsupply model codes identify the fabric/pattern and pair across orders: jacket 10069.1/131 (order 04125554953, Mar 19, 2026) and trousers 10069.1/131 (order 04130095970, Apr 18, 2026) are the same Purple Wool Silk Linen suit, bought a month apart.
• BLACK LAPEL is a third brand (2 orders, Oct 2025). BOTH order screens show $0.00 for the item, subtotal and total, with shipping stated Free. $0.00 is not credible for a custom half-canvas jacket and trousers, so these two garments are recorded with NO price and are EXCLUDED from the total above. Verify against the order-confirmation email or a receipt.
• Black Lapel order 500043056 was DELIVERED Aug 6, 2025 but is CONFIRMED Oct 20, 2025 — delivery precedes confirmation by about ten weeks. One of those dates is not the original purchase timeline; possibly an account migration date or a remake record.
• Black Lapel order 500042957 (pants) reads 'Order Completed' but the shipment status is still 'On its way' as of Oct 20, 2025 with no delivered date. Physical possession is unconfirmed — this is the only garment in the inventory not verified as delivered.
• The Black Lapel jacket and pants share one fabric (Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane) but were placed as TWO separate orders with adjacent order numbers on the same day.
• HANGRR is a fifth brand (hangrr.com, 2 orders, Mar–May 2026). Four garments: a Deep Purple Wool suit (jacket + trousers on one price), a Deep Purple Wool vest ordered eight weeks later that completes it as a three-piece, and a Fuji Purple Velvet blazer.
• The Hangrr suit is priced as ONE line item covering jacket AND trousers. The $379.008 sits on the jacket row and the trouser row carries no price, so the money is counted once while both garments still appear in the counts.
• OWNER-REPORTED FIT: the Deep Purple Wool jacket fits fine; the Fuji Purple Velvet blazer's ARMS ARE WAY TOO SMALL. Both were cut from the same saved Hangrr profile — see the 'Alterations & Fit History' tab for the bicep analysis.
• Neither Hangrr order is confirmed delivered — both still read 'Order Shipped'. Counting the Black Lapel pants and the three undated Oliver Wicks items, EIGHT garments in this inventory now have no delivery date on any captured screen.
• Hangrr is the only brand that timestamps its orders to the second and in GMT (2026-03-17 13:39:25 GMT / 2026-05-09 16:58:54 GMT).
• ADDED THIS SESSION: 19 line items — 2 Suitsupply Custom Made Shirts, 11 Suitsupply stock knitwear pieces, 6 Wool & Prince merino tees.
• BOTH SUITSUPPLY SHIRTS SHARE FABRIC CODE F3405816 — one Lyocell Silk fabric in two colourways, White (Mar 2025) and Black (May 2025). Grouped as fabric group F3405816.
• THE TWO SUITSUPPLY SHIRTS ARE THE ONLY GARMENTS IN THIS WORKBOOK CUT FROM THE SUITSUPPLY SHIRT PROFILE. That profile is on the OLDER account and is a DIFFERENT GARMENT CLASS from the jacket/trouser/waistcoat profiles. Do not compare its numbers to the suit profiles without reading the Size Passport note.
• OWNER PREDICTION, NOT YET VERIFIED (Aug 2026): the two Lyocell Silk shirts are expected to fit acceptably worn alone but to be too full under a suit or waistcoat. Owner intends to re-try them. Chest was adjusted +2.0 and collar +1.5 at the fitting, so they were cut deliberately roomy on a profile named "Standard fit" — this is a preference artifact, not weight drift (150.5 lb Apr 2025 vs ~150 lb now).
• TWO KNITWEAR PIECES ARE SIZE M IN A SIZE-S WARDROBE: Black Polo Cardigan M (order 04102842679, bought alongside the same cardigan in S) and Black Merino LS Polo Cardigan M (order 04112780112). Both post-date Paul James cutting S in Aug/Sep 2025. Flagged as likely too big — needs owner confirmation.
• Suitsupply knitwear pricing is tiered: short-sleeve crewneck $109, short-sleeve polo cardigan $129, long-sleeve polo cardigan $139, Black Merino LS polo cardigan $109.
• WOOL & PRINCE: 6 tees, all size S, NEVER bought at list. Navy and Black repeat across both orders (2 of each) — the strongest repeat-buy signal in the workbook after Allen Edmonds navy.
• THE "ALL WIDTHS ARE STANDARD D" STATEMENT HAS ONE CONFIRMED EXCEPTION: Allen Edmonds Landon Cap-toe Boot, order 005010789907, is Size 9 B NARROW. It is the only non-D width found in any source. Owner-reported size 9 Allen Edmonds boots ARE REAL — but the 9 comes with a B width, so this is a WIDTH TRADEOFF, not the boot-last effect seen at Thursday (9 boot vs 10 sneaker) and Johnston & Murphy (8.5 vs 9). A narrow B in 9 and a standard D in 9.5 are close to the same volume of shoe.
• THE CHARLES DOUBLE MONK STRAP WAS BOUGHT FOUR TIMES: 9.5 D Black (May 23, 2023, $395) / 9.0 D Black (May 29, 2023, $395) / 9.5 D Black again (Jul 9, 2023, $262.49) / 9.5 D Dark Chili (Jul 24, 2023, $299.98). The 6-day gap between the first two, same shoe one size apart, is a SIZE TEST — one was almost certainly returned. Returning to 9.5 twice afterwards settles it: 9.5 D won. This is a SECOND return event; the workbook previously recorded only the Caleb Derby 9.0 return of Jan 23, 2025.
• HOGAN IS UK-SCALED AND MUST NEVER BE CARRIED ACROSS. Tod's printed "Size: 8.5(10 US)". The owner-supplied list read "Hogan 8.5", which was filed in the NARROW DRESS band — it is actually a US 10, the LARGEST dress shoe owned. Owner reports Aug 2026: still owned, too big, worn rarely, "could go down at least a half size". Recommend Hogan 8 (~US 9.5) conservative, Hogan 7.5 (~US 9) likely correct — it is a laceless loafer and cannot be tightened.
• CHRISTIAN LOUBOUTIN DID NOT BREAK THE PATTERN. The workbook predicted it "most likely to break the two-cluster pattern — narrow lasts, reputed to run small". Neiman Marcus printed "42.5 EU (9.5D US)" — standard D width, squarely in the upper cluster.
• THE 40R TUXEDO IS IDENTIFIED. Saks order 305298280, ordered Mar 24 2023, Single-Button Slim-Fit Tuxedo, SOLID BLUE, Size 50 (40) R. "Why Things Changed" names a stale 40R jacket as one of three forces behind every fit anomaly; this is that garment, now with a date and a source. Price never shown.
• DILLARD'S DEC 30, 2023 ANCHORS THE TOP OF THE ALPHA LADDER: eight Roundtree & Yorke pieces, ALL SIZE L, four months before the 206.1 lb peak. Full ladder is now L (Dec 2023) -> LARGE (CT, Oct 2024) -> MEDIUM (CT, Jan/Apr 2025) -> SMALL (Paul James Aug 2025; CT Feb 2026).
• LOW-ROTATION / OWNED-BUT-UNWORN now spans four brands: Hogan H600 (too big, owner-confirmed), Suitsupply Black Polo Cardigan M and Black Merino LS Polo Cardigan M, and the Charles Tyrwhitt 16-collar and LARGE/MEDIUM pieces. Worth tracking as a status distinct from returned.
BAMBOO IS UNDER-LABELLED IN THIS WORKBOOK — corrected Aug 13, 2026
- Owner asked "do I not have blue bamboo Sartoro pants?" The answer is YES, and the workbook could not show it. Order 6949, $215, was recorded as "Polo Blue Glen Plaid Pants" with NO fabric code and NO mention of bamboo, because the Sartoro order line printed neither.
- The two matching jackets on orders 6964 and 7625 ARE labelled "Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo" and DO carry fabric Sartoro 255172. Same fabric group, same cloth, different labelling. The pants line was simply less complete.
- Now renamed to "Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Pants" with the fabric code marked INFERRED.
- FULL BAMBOO HOLDING, now findable: Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket x2 (6964, 7625, $550 each) - Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Pants (6949, $215) - Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants (7625, $215, fabric 255147) - White Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt (6751, price cut off) - Deep Blue Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt (6949, $165) - Black Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt (7241, $123.75). SEVEN bamboo garments, roughly $1,818 captured plus one unknown price.
- GENERAL LESSON: Sartoro order lines are inconsistent about naming fabric. Searching this workbook by fabric name will MISS items. Search by fabric group code, or by garment name, and cross-check the Fabric Groups tab.
*** MAJOR RECLASSIFICATION — SARTORO "STRETCH" IS A COTTON LINE, NOT WOOL. Aug 14, 2026. ***
Owner: "All the 'stretch' Sartoro pants are cotton. I do not have any of their branded 'stretch wool'. Some of
their fabrics may contain a little bit of elastane, but are not their branded 'stretch' line."
TEN GARMENTS AFFECTED — $1,634.25, all now confirmed COTTON:
9 PAIRS OF TROUSERS ($1,249.25): Eminence Purple · Royal Blue · Aqua Blue · Sapphire Blue · Midnight Black ·
Navy Blue (2609) · Light Grey · Charcoal · Diamantia Teal (2605).
1 JACKET ($385): Hudson Midnight Black Stretch Jacket, fabric 2601. A COTTON jacket, not a wool suit jacket.
The matching Midnight Black Vest (double-breasted, group 2601) is almost certainly cotton too — its name omits
the word Stretch, so it did not surface in the search. TREAT AS COTTON, VERIFY.
*** THIS DISSOLVES THE "ELEVEN ORPHAN TROUSERS" PROBLEM ***
The Fabric Groups tab and the Suits view both flag eleven trousers that coordinate with no jacket, presented as
a curiosity. EIGHT OF THE ELEVEN ARE COTTON STRETCH: Eminence Purple, Royal Blue, Aqua Blue, Sapphire Blue,
Navy Blue, Light Grey, Charcoal, Diamantia Teal.
- THEY ARE NOT ORPHANS. They were never meant to have jackets. They are a deliberate CASUAL COTTON TROUSER
WARDROBE, bought standalone on purpose, mostly at $139 — well below the $209-259 tailored trouser prices.
- The three genuine orphans are: Dark Grey Prince of Wales (2112), Nickel Grey Bamboo, and the Suitsupply Light
Blue Wool Silk Linen trousers. Those are the only tailored trousers actually missing a jacket.
- The Suits tab should be read with this in mind. Eleven orphans was misleading; three is the real number.
*** IT ALSO LARGELY ANSWERS THE "NO CHINOS" GAP RAISED EARLIER TODAY ***
The Lower Body Block tab flagged that he names chinos as a worn category while the workbook records none.
- The nine cotton stretch trousers ARE that category, or the nearest thing to it. Cotton, casual, standalone,
worn with sneakers — he confirmed wearing cotton stretch Sartoro with the Louboutin Louis Juniors.
- They were invisible as a casual category ONLY because the workbook assumed a maker known for suits was
selling him suit cloth. The fabric was never recorded; the assumption filled the gap.
- STILL WORTH READING: Proper Cloth AC1811735 (Apr 12, 2025), "CASUAL PANTS, separate pattern". Whether he owns
chinos ALSO from Proper Cloth is unresolved, and that order carries a second MTM trouser block.
WHAT REMAINS OPEN
- ELASTANE CONTENT IS STILL UNKNOWN. "Cotton stretch" tells us the fibre, not the percentage. The denim window
is 2-4%; whether these sit inside it is unverified. He notes some Sartoro fabrics carry a little elastane
without being branded Stretch, so content cannot be inferred from the name either way.
- SARTORO SELLS A BRANDED "STRETCH WOOL" LINE AND HE OWNS NONE OF IT. Worth knowing as a buying option — a
stretch wool would sit in the DRESS register, where every trouser he owns is currently rigid wool.
- LEG OPENINGS on the cotton stretch pants are not recorded. Given they are worn with sneakers, the formality
ladder predicts 12-13 in rather than the 13.5-14.25 dress figure. UNVERIFIED.
RECIPIENT AND OWNERSHIP STATUS — added Aug 14, 2026
Added because the owner confirmed that two garments in this workbook were bought for his WIFE, not for him.
Until that point the workbook silently assumed every purchase in the mailbox was a garment for Jesse.
WHY TWO COLUMNS AND NOT ONE
A garment bought for someone else was NEVER in Jesse's wardrobe. A garment he owned and later gave away WAS.
Those are different facts and they fail differently:
- Wrong RECIPIENT corrupts SIZE analysis — a wife's size M is not evidence of his size drift.
- Wrong OWNERSHIP corrupts WARDROBE COUNTS — captured spend stops equalling what he actually has.
One column cannot carry both without losing information.
COLOUR KEY
LILAC — not Jesse's garment (wife / gift / household)
PINK — returned, or probably returned
GREEN — confirmed owned by primary source or owner statement
GREY — UNRESOLVED. The honest default. | RETAINED = owned but unwearable, kept on purpose.
*** READ THIS BEFORE TRUSTING THE COLUMN ***
Only 9 rows carry EVIDENCE. The other 153 are marked "Jesse (assumed)" / "UNRESOLVED".
"Jesse (assumed)" is NOT a finding — it is the absence of one. It records that nobody has checked, which is
exactly the mistake the wife's tees exposed. DO NOT read the assumed rows as confirmation, and do not compute
a "current wardrobe" figure from this column until the unresolved rows are actually resolved with the owner.
EVIDENCED ROWS AS OF Aug 14, 2026
#161, #162 Banana Republic Relaxed Linen T-Shirts, size M — WIFE, still held
#147 Archer 3194 Blue Cords — return requested Feb 2025, thread ran to May 2026, unresolved
#135 Mauvais W30 White chino — probable return, refund never traced
#108, #109 Allen Edmonds Charles Double Monk — probable returns (the 9.0 size test)
#114 Hogan H600 loafers — owned, too big, low rotation
#90, #96 Suitsupply size-M knitwear — likely too big, disposal not established
NOT YET REFLECTED HERE — these live on other tabs and need the same treatment:
- The 20 too-big Charles Tyrwhitt pieces (Shirt Inventory tab) — the largest known disposal question.
- The seven size-M Banana Republic linen pieces given to the father-in-law (Jul 2025 order, still unread).
RESOLVED Aug 14, 2026: bought for HIMSELF, found too big, then given away. RECIPIENT=Jesse,
STATUS=GIVEN AWAY. This is the OPPOSITE case to the wife's tees — same size M, different meaning.
- Allen Edmonds Caleb Derby 9.0, returned Jan 23, 2025 (Allen Edmonds tab).
- Thomas Bird Ellington in 43 — too big, return/exchange status unknown.
Orders
Order Summary — Sartoro · Suitsupply · Oliver Wicks · Black Lapel · Hangrr
Ship to: jesse myers, 7836 nw 131st st, Oklahoma City, OK 73142 · +1 405 464 3333
| Brand | Order # | Confirmed | Delivered | Items | Line Items | Subtotal | Tax | Shipping | Total | Total Basis | Tracking / Ref | Donation Gift |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Sartoro | (not shown) | (paid Feb 5, 2025) | Feb 17, 2025 | Eminence Purple Stretch Pants | 1 | 149 | 0 | 29 | 178 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50415755552 | |
| Sartoro | 5933 | Mar 4, 2025 | Mar 18, 2025 | Royal Blue Stretch Pants | 1 | 139 | 0 | 29 | 168 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50414944644 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 5952 | Mar 7, 2025 | Mar 18, 2025 | Powder Grey Twill Pants | 1 | 159 | 0 | 29 | 188 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50414944644 | $8 |
| Sartoro | 6074 | Mar 30, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | Aqua Blue Stretch Pants; Dark Grey POW Pants | 2 | 298 | 0 | 0 | 298 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50425383408 | $15 |
| Sartoro | 6096 | Apr 1, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | Ellis Powder Grey Twill Jacket + pick stitch | 2 | 449 | 0 | 0 | 449 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50425383408 | |
| Sartoro | 6112 | Apr 4, 2025 | Apr 18, 2025 | Sapphire Blue Stretch Pants | 1 | 139 | 0 | 29 | 168 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50425383408 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 6166 | Apr 14, 2025 | Apr 30, 2025 | Midnight Black Stretch Pants; Shimmer Black Pants | 2 | 268 | 0 | 0 | 268 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50404875121 | $13 |
| Sartoro | 6264 | May 1, 2025 | May 15, 2025 | Monroe Shimmer Black Jacket | 1 | 369 | 0 | 0 | 369 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50432435955 | $18 |
| Sartoro | 6297 | May 7, 2025 | May 20, 2025 | Sky Blue Windowpane Pants | 1 | 159 | 0 | 29 | 188 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50426868946 | $8 |
| Sartoro | 6341 | May 16, 2025 | May 29, 2025 | Thompson Sky Blue Windowpane Jacket + pick stitch | 2 | 449 | 0 | 0 | 449 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50412801113 | |
| Sartoro | 6374 | May 20, 2025 | May 29, 2025 | Navy Sharkskin Pants | 1 | 169 | 0 | 29 | 198 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50412801113 | $8 |
| Sartoro | 6393 | May 26, 2025 | Jun 4, 2025 | Off-White Prince of Wales Pants | 1 | 179 | 0 | 29 | 208 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50434868430 | $9 |
| Sartoro | (not legible) | Jun 8, 2025 | Jun 16, 2025 | Ellis Off-White POW Jacket + pick stitch | 2 | 519 | 0 | 0 | 519 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50424878279 | |
| Sartoro | 6529 | Jun 21, 2025 | Jun 30, 2025 | Shimmer Grey Pants; Silk Satin Turquoise Pocket Square | 2 | 148 | 0 | 29 | 177 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50438376982 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 6562 | Jun 27, 2025 | Sep 3, 2025 | Aspen Green Hopsack Pants | 1 | 209 | 0 | 29 | 238 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50414180335 | $11 |
| Sartoro | 6586 | Jun 30, 2025 | Sep 3, 2025 | Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack Jacket (1st) | 1 | 479 | 0 | 0 | 479 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50414180335 | $24 |
| Sartoro | 6606 | Jul 3, 2025 | Jul 25, 2025 | Bryant Navy Sharkskin Jacket + pick stitch | 2 | 519 | 0 | 0 | 519 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50438857702 | |
| Sartoro | 6692 | Jul 20, 2025 | Jul 25, 2025 | Navy Blue Stretch Pants | 1 | 139 | 0 | 29 | 168 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50438857702 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 6724 | Jul 26, 2025 | Aug 4, 2025 | Light Grey Stretch Pants | 1 | 139 | 0 | 29 | 168 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50422985906 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 6751 | Aug 1, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | Black Pindot Pants; White Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt | 2 | 318 | 0 | 29 | 347 | Total shown; subtotal derived (item prices cut off) | 1ZB868J50439782139 | $16 |
| Sartoro | 6790 | Aug 7, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | Monroe Shimmer Grey Jacket | 1 | 369 | 0 | 0 | 369 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50439782139 | |
| Sartoro | (not shown) | Aug 7, 2025 | Aug 15, 2025 | Ellis Black Pindot Jacket + pick stitch | 2 | ? | 0 | ? | ? | UNKNOWN — prices cut off | 1ZB868J50439782139 | |
| Sartoro | 6949 | Sep 3, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Pants; Deep Blue Bamboo Shirt | 2 | 380 | 0 | 0 | 380 | Subtotal shown; shipping free | 1ZB868J50407847978 | $19 |
| Sartoro | 6964 | Sep 8, 2025 | Sep 17, 2025 | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (1st) + lining | 2 | 570 | 0 | 0 | 570 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50407847978 | |
| Sartoro | 7072 | Oct 11, 2025 | Oct 18, 2025 | Shimmer Black Vest | 1 | ? | 0 | ? | ? | UNKNOWN — prices cut off | 1ZB868J50402052380 | $7 |
| Sartoro | 7133 | Oct 27, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | Monroe Shimmer Black Jacket (tuxedo) + tuxedo satin | 2 | 449 | 0 | 35 | 484 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J50405140609 | |
| Sartoro | 7142 | Nov 2, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | Sky Blue Windowpane Vest | 1 | 150 | 0 | 29 | 179 | Total shown; subtotal derived | 1ZB868J50405140609 | $8 |
| Sartoro | 7146 | Nov 4, 2025 | Nov 11, 2025 | Black Pindot Vest | 1 | 180 | 0 | 29 | 209 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50405140609 | $9 |
| Sartoro | (not shown) | (not shown) | Nov 14, 2025 | Off-White Prince of Wales Vest | 1 | 160 | 0 | 29 | 189 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50418869737 | $8 |
| Sartoro | 7241 | Dec 2, 2025 | Dec 11, 2025 | Charcoal Stretch Pants; Collar Stays (3 pairs); Black Ultrasoft Bamboo Shirt | 3 | 252 | 0 | 0 | 252 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J50401477316 | |
| Sartoro | 7301 | Dec 23, 2025 | Dec 31, 2025 | Diamantia Teal Stretch Pants | 1 | 150 | 0 | 29 | 179 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J5DA18425616 | $15 |
| Sartoro | 7311 | Dec 30, 2025 | Jan 14, 2026 | Midnight Black Vest + peak lapels; Hudson Midnight Black Stretch Jacket | 3 | 535 | 0 | 0 | 535 | Shown on screen | 1ZB868J5DH32582023 | |
| Sartoro | 7625 | Mar 16, 2026 | Mar 31, 2026 | Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants; Ellis Black Pindot Jacket (2nd) + lining; Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket (2nd) + lining; Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack Jacket (2nd) | 6 | 1900 | 0 | 0 | 1900 | Derived — total line cut off | 1ZB868J56738599329 | |
| Suitsupply | 04127707425 | (not shown) | Mar 27, 2026 | Mid Blue Check three-piece (jacket/trousers/waistcoat); Black Wool Stretch three-piece (jacket/trousers/waistcoat) | 6 | 2164 | 209.08 | 0 | 2373.08 | Shown on screen | Suitsupply order 04127707425 | |
| Suitsupply | PSUS02480464 | (not shown) | Dec 19, 2025 | Dark Grey Pure S110's Wool three-piece (jacket/trousers/waistcoat) | 3 | 1182 | 0 | 0 | 1182 | Subtotal shown; TAX AND TOTAL CUT OFF — total is a FLOOR, excludes sales tax | Suitsupply order PSUS02480464 | |
| Suitsupply | 04119572340 | (not shown) | Feb 18, 2026 | Dark Blue Bird's eye Pure S130's Wool three-piece (jacket/trousers/waistcoat) | 3 | 1432 | 0 | 0 | 1432 | Subtotal shown; TAX AND TOTAL CUT OFF — total is a FLOOR, excludes sales tax | Suitsupply order 04119572340 | |
| Suitsupply | 04123377141 | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Mid Blue Pure Tropical Wool three-piece (jacket/trousers/waistcoat) | 3 | 982 | 0 | 0 | 982 | Subtotal shown; TAX AND TOTAL CUT OFF — total is a FLOOR, excludes sales tax | Suitsupply order 04123377141 | |
| Suitsupply | 04125554953 | (not shown) | Mar 19, 2026 | Custom Made Trousers 75282/1 (Light Blue Wool Silk Linen); Custom Made Jacket 10069.1/131 (Purple Wool Silk Linen) | 2 | 1153 | 99.46 | 0 | 1252.46 | Shown on screen | Suitsupply order 04125554953 | |
| Suitsupply | 04130095970 | (not shown) | Apr 18, 2026 | White Crewneck; Custom Made Trousers 10069.1/131 (Purple Wool Silk Linen) | 2 | 518 | 44.69 | 0 | 562.69 | Shown on screen | Suitsupply order 04130095970 | |
| Oliver Wicks | OW-LGPP | (not shown) | (not shown) | Light Grey Pick & Pick jacket; Light Grey Pick & Pick pants; Express Starter Kit (non-custom) | 3 | 808 | 0 | 0 | 808 | UNKNOWN — Orders History screen shows no order #, no dates, no totals. $808 is the sum of the two visible item prices; the Express Starter Kit price was not shown. Free shipping is advertised. | Oliver Wicks (no order # on screen) | |
| Black Lapel | 500043056 | Oct 20, 2025 | Aug 6, 2025 | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane jacket | 1 | ? | 0 | 0 | ? | UNKNOWN — screen shows $0.00 for item, subtotal AND total; shipping stated Free. Not credible for a custom half-canvas jacket; recorded as missing, not free. | DHL Express 9871805576 | |
| Black Lapel | 500042957 | Oct 20, 2025 | NOT DELIVERED / not shown | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane pants | 1 | ? | 0 | 0 | ? | UNKNOWN — screen shows $0.00 for item, subtotal AND total; shipping stated Free. Delivery unconfirmed (status still 'On its way'). | DHL Express 2172130671 | |
| Hangrr | HNG1731758 | Mar 17, 2026 13:39:25 GMT | NOT DELIVERED / 'Order Shipped' | Deep Purple Wool Suit (jacket + trousers, one price) | 1 | 379.01 | 0 | 0 | 379.01 | Shown on screen — order value USD 379.01; item priced USD 379.008. Shipping 'Regular', no shipping charge or tax line shown. | FedEx Priority 871363128047 | |
| Hangrr | HNG1733063 | May 9, 2026 16:58:54 GMT | NOT DELIVERED / 'Order Shipped' | Deep Purple Wool Vest; Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer | 2 | 471.17 | 0 | 0 | 471.17 | Shown on screen — order value USD 471.17; items USD 138.24 + 332.928 = 471.168, which reconciles exactly. No shipping charge or tax line shown. | FedEx Priority 873033148772 | |
| Suitsupply | PSUS01884781 | ~Mar 16, 2025 (page date unreliable) | Apr 5, 2025 (in-store pickup, Plano) | Custom Made Shirt Q6A.F3405816/1 (White Lyocell Silk), Size 15 | 1 | 209 | 17.24 | 0 | 226.24 | Shown on screen | Picked up in store — Plano, 7701 Windrose Ave | |
| Suitsupply | 0466666362 | May 1, 2025 (email confirmation) | Jun 3, 2025 | Custom Made Shirt A.F3405816/4490 (Black Lyocell Silk), Size 15 | 1 | 219 | 18.89 | 0 | 237.89 | Shown on screen | — | |
| Suitsupply | 04102842679 | (not shown) | Nov 28, 2025 | Black Polo Cardigan (S); Black Polo Cardigan (M) | 2 | 258 | 22.26 | 0 | 280.26 | Shown on screen | — | |
| Suitsupply | 04104907118 | (not shown) | Dec 20, 2025 | Off-White Polo Cardigan (S); Black Long Sleeve Polo Cardigan (S) | 2 | 268 | 23.12 | 25 | 316.12 | Shown on screen | — | |
| Suitsupply | 04112780112 | (not shown) | Jan 6, 2026 | Off-White LS Polo Cardigan (S); Navy LS Polo Cardigan (S); Navy Polo Cardigan (S); Black Merino LS Polo Cardigan (M) | 4 | 516 | 44.52 | 0 | 560.52 | Derived — total line cut off (516 + 44.52) | — | |
| Suitsupply | 04112819661 | (not shown) | Jan 31, 2026 | Navy Short Sleeve Crewneck (S); Black Short Sleeve Crewneck (S); Off-White Short Sleeve Crewneck (S) | 3 | 327 | 28.23 | 0 | 355.23 | Shown on screen | — | |
| Wool & Prince | 190825 | Nov 22, 2025 | Nov 28, 2025 | Signature Crew Neck Tee Navy (S); Signature Crew Neck Tee Black (S) | 2 | 150.4 | 0 | 0 | 150.4 | Shown on screen — no tax line | USPS 9400150899563184037554 · Visa 6516 | |
| Wool & Prince | 197956 | Jan 28, 2026 | Feb 2, 2026 | Signature Crew Neck Tee Orange Horizon (S); Cerulean Blue (S); Navy (S); Black (S) | 4 | 252.8 | 0 | 0 | 252.8 | Shown on screen — no tax line | USPS 9434650899562118640732 · Visa 6516 | |
| Allen Edmonds | 005010789907 | Dec 13, 2022 | Dec 15, 2022 | Landon Cap-toe Boot, Carbon Grey, Size 9 B NARROW | 1 | Unknown — price never shown in any email | PST archive · pre-export | |||||
| Allen Edmonds | 005013706130 | May 23, 2023 | May 26, 2023 | Wilder Venetian Slip-on Loafer, Denim Blue Suede, 9.5 D (FINAL SALE); Charles Double Monk Strap, Black, 9.5 D | 2 | 494.97 | 42.69 | 0 | 537.66 | Shown in email | PST archive · Mastercard Apple Pay | |
| Allen Edmonds | 005013798277 | May 29, 2023 | May 31, 2023 | Charles Double Monk Strap, Black Leather, Size 9.0 D | 1 | 395 | 34.07 | 0 | 429.07 | Shown in email | PST archive · SIZE TEST vs 005013706130 | |
| Allen Edmonds | 005014288596 | Jul 9, 2023 | Jul 12, 2023 | Charles Double Monk Strap, Black Leather, Size 9.5 D | 1 | 262.49 | 22.64 | 0 | 285.13 | Shown in email | PST archive · third Charles purchase | |
| Allen Edmonds | 005014497904 | Jul 24, 2023 | Jul 27, 2023 | Randolph Slip-on Suede Sneaker, Grey Suede, 9.5 D; Charles Double Monk Strap, Dark Chili, 9.5 D | 2 | 449.95 | 38.81 | 0 | 488.76 | Shown in email | PST archive · Visa Apple Pay | |
| Christian Louboutin | STA000000000288296 | Jul 4, 2023 | Jul 8, 2023 | Louis Junior Sneaker NMS21_N60Q4, Black, Size 42.5 EU (9.5D US) | 1 | 845 | 72.88 | 0 | 917.88 | Shown in email | Neiman Marcus · MasterCard ••3999 · shipped from store | |
| Hogan | 2401354042 | Jul 14, 2023 | Jul 20, 2023 | Loafers Hogan H600, code HXM6000ES40N908M217E, BLUE, Size 8.5 (10 US) | 1 | 392 | 0 | 0 | 392 | Shown in email — no tax line | Tod's Group direct · contact-hogan-us@todsgroup.com | |
| Raf Simons | N7DLKX | Jul 15, 2022 | ~Jul 25-28, 2022 | Orion low-top sneakers, Size 44 | 1 | 175 | 15.09 | 24 | 214.09 | Shown in email | Farfetch · ApplePay · shipped from IL DUOMO | |
| Saks Fifth Avenue | 305298280 | Mar 24, 2023 | Mar 29, 2023 | Single-Button Slim-Fit Tuxedo, SOLID BLUE, Size 50 (40) R | 1 | Unknown — price never shown | Signature required on delivery | |||||
| Dillard's | 707549675 | Dec 30, 2023 | (not shown) | Roundtree & Yorke: 3x Mock Neck Quarter Zip (Black/Red/Dark Navy) L; 3x V-Neck Pullover (Red/Dark Navy/Black) L; 1x Button Mock (Dark Navy) L; 1x Performance Crewneck (Black) L | 8 | 306.93 | 26.47 | 0 | 333.4 | Shown in email | All size L — pre-weight-loss baseline | |
| Hiroshi Kato | 88787 | Dec 25, 2025 | (not shown) | Pen Slim: 1 | 1 | 193.5 | 0 | 0 | 193.5 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 4569 | None |
| Hiroshi Kato | 90930 | Jan 17, 2026 | (not shown) | Pen Slim: 1 | 1 | 258 | 0 | 0 | 258 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 6516 | None |
| Hiroshi Kato | 91411 | Jan 26, 2026 | (not shown) | Pen Slim: 1 | 1 | 238 | 0 | 0 | 238 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 9569 | None |
| Hiroshi Kato | 91647 | Jan 30, 2026 | (not shown) | Pen Slim: 3 | 3 | 744 | 0 | 0 | 744 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 3188 | None |
| Hiroshi Kato | 92545 | Feb 15, 2026 | (not shown) | Pen Slim: 2 | 2 | 486 | 0 | 0 | 486 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 3188 | None |
| Hiroshi Kato | 93272 | Feb 26, 2026 | (not shown) | Cord 1 + Scissors 1 | 2 | 467 | 0 | 0 | 467 | Shown in email — TRUE total | UPS Ground · card 3188 | None |
| Mauvais | USA183092 | Feb 27, 2026 | (not shown) | Chinos: 1 | 1 | 75 | 0 | 9.99 | 84.99 | Shown in email — TRUE total | FedEx Economy · W30 | None |
| Mauvais | 07-14346-79815 | Mar 9, 2026 | Mar 16, 2026 | Chinos: 1 | 1 | UNKNOWN — eBay confirmation not yet read | eBay channel | None | ||||
| Mauvais | USA184446 | Mar 17, 2026 | (not shown) | Chinos: 3 | 3 | 225 | 0 | 9.99 | 234.99 | Shown in email — TRUE total | FedEx Economy · PayPal | None |
| Mauvais | USA185004 | Mar 26, 2026 | (not shown) | Chinos 5 + Shorts 2 | 5 | 505 | 0 | 0 | 505 | Shown in email — TRUE total | Free FedEx over $250 | None |
| Mauvais | USA186431 | Apr 14, 2026 | (not shown) | Chinos: 2 | 2 | 150 | 0 | 9.99 | 159.99 | Shown in email — TRUE total | FedEx Economy | None |
| Archer Apparel | 3194 | Jan 26, 2025 | (returned) | Cords: 1 | 1 | 198 | 0 | 0 | 148.5 | Shown — ARCHER25 -$49.50 | RETURN UNRESOLVED | None |
| Archer Apparel | 3196 | Jan 26, 2025 | May 1, 2025 | Cords: 1 | 1 | 198 | 0 | 0 | 148.5 | Shown — ARCHER25 -$49.50 | Shipped despite cancel request | None |
| Archer Apparel | 3965 | Sep 29, 2025 | Dec 19, 2025 | Cords: 1 | 1 | UNKNOWN — price never read | UPS 1ZC1B491YW50205659 | None | ||||
| Archer Apparel | 4449 | Nov 21, 2025 | (not shown) | Cords: 1 | 1 | 238 | 0 | 0 | 238 | Shown in email — TRUE total | Card 6516 · ZU07LGQEJ | None |
| Banana Republic Factory | 1R4PMVW | Jul 4, 2026 | (not shown) | Tees 2 + Henley 1 | 3 | 63 | 4.08 | 9.5 | 60.83 | Shown in email — TRUE total (promos -$15.75) | Apple Pay 0106 | None |
| Banana Republic | 1PS8JWR | Mar 9, 2026 | (not shown) | Polos 3 + Sweaters 3 + Tees 2 | 8 | 559.96 | 48.3 | 0 | 608.26 | Shown in email — TRUE total | Mastercard 4523 · free ship | None |
| Banana Republic Factory | 1QTFP23 | Jun 15, 2026 | (not shown) | Linen tees: 2 | 2 | 45 | 3.11 | 9.5 | 48.61 | Shown in email — TRUE total (promos -$9.00) | Apple Pay 0106 | None |
| Banana Republic Factory | 1R03L81 | Jun 18, 2026 | (not shown) | Linen shorts: 4 | 2 | 155 | 10.7 | 9.5 | 144.2 | Shown in email — TRUE total (promos -$31.00) | Apple Pay 0106 | None |
| Bonobos | 328821897 | Jun 19, 2025 | Jun 21, 2025 | Chino Short 2.0: 4 | 3 | 356 | 23.02 | 0 | 290.02 | Shown in email — TRUE total (bundle disc -$89.00) | Convey H68533527344 | None |
| Bonobos | 329694063 | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 24, 2026 | Shorts 7 + Polos 2 | 6 | 661 | 39.9 | 0 | 502.6 | Shown in email — TRUE total (promo -$198.30, 30%) | Convey H70674628287 | None |
| Ledbury | W255207 | Jul 12, 2025 | Jul 22, 2025 | Custom shirts: 2 | 2 | 270 | 0 | 15 | 285 | Shown in email — TRUE total. NO TAX charged. | Shopify · Air | None |
| Ledbury | W248806 | Mar 15, 2025 | Mar 24, 2025 | Custom shirt: 1 | 1 | 85 | 0 | 15 | 100 | Shown in email — TRUE total. LEDBURY50 -$50. No tax. | Shopify · Air | None |
| Ledbury | W247703 | Feb 17, 2025 | Mar 3, 2025 | Custom shirt: 1 | 1 | 135 | 0 | 15 | 150 | Shown in email — TRUE total. No discount, no tax. | Shopify · Air | None |
FOLDED IN Aug 14, 2026 — 16 orders above (pale blue): Kato 6, Mauvais 5, Archer 4, Banana Republic Factory 1.
Pink cells are UNKNOWN totals: Mauvais eBay order and Archer 3965. Naked & Famous sits on its own tab as a
single $747 line and is NOT repeated here — see the Naked & Famous tab for its three order numbers.
TOTALS (captured orders only) 119 25101.72 760.14 548 26409.86
Notes:
• TWO orders have no usable total: the Aug 7, 2025 Ellis Black Pindot Jacket order and #7072 (Shimmer Black Vest). They are excluded from the TOTALS row. Rough gap: that Ellis jacket + pick stitch is likely $560–620 (the Mar 2026 Ellis Black Pindot was $545 + $20) and a comparable vest is $135–$180 — call it $700–800 unaccounted.
• #7625 is now fully itemised: 6 line items, 4 garments (Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants + three jackets), $1,900.00 in line items. Its shipping and total lines were still off-screen, so $0 shipping is assumed.
• Shipping is NOT reliably free on jacket orders — #7133 charged $35. The $0 assumed for #6096, #6341, the Jun 8 order, #6606, and #6964 is an assumption. Verify those five.
• Shipping pattern otherwise: $29 on single-item orders, free on most multi-item and jacket orders.
• Discounts seen: -$60.00 PERCENTAGE SALE ORDER on #6751; -$80.00 total CYBER MONDAY shirts/pants bundle on #7241.
• Tracking-number format changed in Dec 2025, from 1ZB868J5xxxxxxxxxx to 1ZB868J5DA/5DH/56738 prefixes.
• Longest wait: #6562/#6586 confirmed late June 2025, delivered Sep 3, 2025 — about nine weeks.
• All six Suitsupply orders are custom made from an in-store fitting. NONE of the screens showed a confirmed/order date — only the delivery date.
• THREE Suitsupply orders (PSUS02480464, 04119572340, 04123377141) had their tax and total lines cut off. Their totals in this sheet are SUBTOTAL FLOORS that exclude sales tax — expect roughly $310 more across the three at the ~8.6% rate seen elsewhere.
• Suitsupply sales tax is not a single rate: 8.625% on orders 04125554953, 04130095970 but 9.66% on 04127707425. Worth checking which jurisdiction each was rung up in.
• BLACK LAPEL (2 orders, confirmed Oct 20, 2025) contributes NOTHING to the totals above. Both screens displayed $0.00 for item, subtotal and total. Those orders are the largest single unknown in this workbook after the two cut-off Sartoro orders.
• Black Lapel is the only brand whose order screens state shipping explicitly as 'Free' rather than showing a dollar figure.
• HANGRR order values reconcile exactly to the item prices — the only brand in this workbook where every captured order total ties out to the cent with nothing cut off.
• Hangrr shows NO tax line and NO shipping charge, only 'Shipping: Regular'. Whether tax was charged and folded into the order value, or not charged at all, is unverified.
• Both Hangrr orders read 'Order Shipped', not delivered. The May 9, 2026 order is the most recent activity anywhere in this inventory.
• ADDED THIS SESSION (8 orders): two Suitsupply Custom Made Shirts, four Suitsupply knitwear orders, two Wool & Prince orders. Sources: account-page PDFs + Outlook order-confirmation emails.
• WOOL & PRINCE is a new brand in this workbook — merino tees, all size S, both orders discounted, no tax line shown on either order, free shipping both times, same Visa 6516.
• SUITSUPPLY ACCOUNT SPLIT: orders billing/shipping to 7832 NW 131st St (the two Custom Made Shirts) sit on the OLDER account; 7836 NW 131st St is the current account. Owner states the older login is jesse@myerspartyofthree.com. NOT corroborated by email — both shirt confirmations were sent to jesse@jessncass.com.
• SUITSUPPLY ACCOUNT-PAGE DATES ARE UNRELIABLE. Order 0466666362 page reads "Ordered on May 29, 2025" but the confirmation email is dated May 1, 2025 (May 29 is the ship date). PSUS01884781 shows "Delivery by Mar 15" ABOVE "Order date Mar 16" — delivery before order. Prefer email timestamps over the account page wherever they conflict.
• SUITSUPPLY TAX RATE TRACKS SHIP-TO JURISDICTION, which resolves part of an open question. OKC deliveries run 8.62-8.63% (22.26/258, 23.12/268, 44.52/516, 28.23/327, 18.89/219). PSUS01884781 was picked up in Plano TX and was taxed 8.249% (17.24/209). The 9.66% on order 04127707425 is still unexplained.
• Suitsupply shipping is NOT uniformly free even on knitwear: order 04104907118 was charged $25 while the other three knitwear orders shipped free.
• The claim "the White Crewneck is the only stock item in the entire inventory" is now WRONG. These four knitwear orders add 11 stock Suitsupply pieces, and Wool & Prince adds 6 more.
• PST ARCHIVE HARVEST (this session). Source: "2057 hldgs pst backup.pst" (33.5 GB) mined via Outlook COM. 118,000 messages scanned, 3,985 candidates, 263 genuine transactional. ARCHIVE COVERS 2022-05-29 TO 2024-01-18 ONLY — roughly 20 months, NOT the 2017-onward span hoped for.
• FIVE ALLEN EDMONDS ORDERS PREDATE THE ACCOUNT EXPORT (which starts Nov 1, 2024) and were therefore invisible to it. The export was never wrong — it was incomplete at the front as well as the back. Combined with order 005030308736 (Apr 28, 2026), Allen Edmonds is now 18 orders, not 12.
• ALLEN EDMONDS 005010789907 PRICE UNKNOWN — the Landon boot appears only in shipping/delivery emails, never an order confirmation with a total. Genuine gap.
• SAKS 305298280 PRICE UNKNOWN — only the "arrives tomorrow" notice survives, which carries no amounts. This is the 40R TUXEDO.
• FERRAGAMO AND PRADA: NO TRANSACTIONAL RECORD IN THIS ARCHIVE. Prada was mentioned 354 times and Ferragamo 74, but every instance is Saks / Neiman / Bergdorf marketing. Either bought in person, bought outside 2022-05 to 2024-01, or bought through a channel not in this mailbox. STILL THE LARGEST OPEN HOLE.
• ADDRESS MARKER CONFIRMED ACROSS SIX UNRELATED RETAILERS: every 2022-2023 order here ships to 7832 NW 131st St — Allen Edmonds, Neiman Marcus, Tod's/Hogan, Farfetch, Saks, Dillard's. 7836 is the later/correct number. 7832 is a reliable era marker for pre-2024 purchases.
Shirt Inventory
Shirt Inventory — COMPLETE for Charles Tyrwhitt
All 13 Charles Tyrwhitt orders extracted (59 pieces) + 3 of 9 Proper Cloth. Paul James not started.
PALE ORANGE = 16 collar. DARK ORANGE = alpha LARGE. GOLD = alpha MEDIUM. All three are now too big. GREEN = current 15 collar / Small.
| # | Colour | Item | Brand | Type | SKU | Size | Cuff | Order | Ordered | Price | Era |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Purple | Non-Iron Stretch Texture Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0768PUR | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 2 | Aqua Green | ESF Spread Collar Kensington Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2621AQA | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 3 | French Blue | ESF Spread Collar Kensington Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2621FRE | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 4 | Charcoal Grey | ESF Spread Collar Kensington Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2621CHA | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 5 | Teal Green | ESF Semi-Spread Stretch Texture Geometric Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0767TEL | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 6 | Dark Grey | Non-Iron Stretch Texture Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0768DGY | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10086377 | Oct 22, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 7 | Black | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Poplin Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0711BLK | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10086377 | Oct 22, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 8 | White | ESF Non-Iron Dot Stretch Texture Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0730WHT | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10086377 | Oct 22, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 9 | Black | ESF Luxury Ascot Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2381BLK | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10088552 | Oct 23, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 10 | Steel Blue | ESF Semi-Spread Twill, Printed Trim | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0740STL | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10088552 | Oct 23, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 11 | Black | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Poplin Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0711BLK | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | FRENCH | wus10088552 | Oct 23, 2024 | 43.4 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 12 | White | ESF Non-Iron Poplin Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0337WHT | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | FRENCH | wus10101029 | Oct 28, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 13 | Pink | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0580PNK | 16 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10101029 | Oct 28, 2024 | 43.39 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 14 | Cobalt Blue | Pure Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSR0978COB | LARGE / XSlim | — | wus10101029 | Oct 28, 2024 | 43.4 | LARGE — 2 SIZES TOO BIG |
| 15 | Navy | ESF Pure Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSR2054NAV | LARGE / XSlim | — | wus10101029 | Oct 28, 2024 | 43.4 | LARGE — 2 SIZES TOO BIG |
| 16 | Burgundy | Reda Merino Wool CUSTOM shirt | Proper Cloth | Shirt | PCF3929 | 16 Coll / 34 Sl | One Btn | AC1757735 | Jan 12, 2025 | 200 | 16 collar — TOO BIG |
| 17 | Cream | Merino Crew Neck Sweater | Charles Tyrwhitt | Knitwear | KNM0004CRM | MEDIUM | — | wus10342240 | Jan 25, 2025 | 85.81 | MEDIUM — TOO BIG |
| 18 | Purple | Non-Iron Stretch Texture Shirt [RE-BUY in 15] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0768PUR | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10409146 | Feb 20, 2025 | 70.33 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 19 | White | ESF Dot Stretch Texture Shirt [RE-BUY in 15] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0730WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10409146 | Feb 20, 2025 | 70.34 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 20 | Lilac Purple | ESF Luxury Ascot Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2381LLC | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10409146 | Feb 20, 2025 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 21 | Black | ESF Spread Collar Poplin Shirt [RE-BUY in 15] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0711BLK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10409146 | Feb 20, 2025 | 70.33 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 22 | Aqua Green | ESF Non-Iron Westminster Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOA0006AQA | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.39 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 23 | Charcoal Grey | ESF Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2624CHA | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.39 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 24 | Navy | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0580NAV | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.39 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 25 | White | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Poplin Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0672WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.4 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 26 | Sky Blue | ESF Non-Iron Westminster Weave Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOA0006SKY | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.4 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 27 | Pink | ESF Non-Iron Stretch Texture Line Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0809PNK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | 43.4 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 28 | Pink | ESF Spread Collar Twill Shirt [RE-BUY in 15] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0580PNK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 29 | Ocean Blue | ESF Pure Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSH0016OCE | MEDIUM / XSlim | — | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | MEDIUM — TOO BIG |
| 30 | Cobalt Blue | ESF Pure Linen Shirt [RE-BUY in MEDIUM] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSH0016COB | MEDIUM / XSlim | — | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | MEDIUM — TOO BIG |
| 31 | Royal Blue | ESF Stretch Texture Circle Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0807RYL | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 32 | White | ESF Pure Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSH0016WHT | MEDIUM / XSlim | — | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | MEDIUM — TOO BIG |
| 33 | Navy | ESF Pure Linen Shirt [RE-BUY in MEDIUM] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | CSH0016NAV | MEDIUM / XSlim | — | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | 42.2 | MEDIUM — TOO BIG |
| 34 | White | ESF Luxury Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2363WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10835251 | Jul 9, 2025 | 63.29 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 35 | Ice Blue | ESF Luxury Stripe Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2396CEB | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10835251 | Jul 9, 2025 | 63.3 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 36 | Lavender | ESF Luxury Prince of Wales Check Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2407LVR | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10835251 | Jul 9, 2025 | 48.62 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 37 | Sky Blue/Green | ESF Luxury Prince of Wales Check Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOR2411SKY | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10835251 | Jul 9, 2025 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 38 | Black | Reda Merino Wool CUSTOM shirt | Proper Cloth | Shirt | PCF2333 | 15.5 Coll / 34 Sl | One Btn | AC1882039 | Jul 26, 2025 | 225 | 15.5 transitional |
| 39 | Sky Blue | ESF Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0333SKY | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.34 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 40 | Ocean Blue | ESF Non-Iron Prince of Wales Check Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2262BGO | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.34 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 41 | Sky Blue | ESF Non-Iron Performance Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0770SKY | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.34 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 42 | Mid Blue | ESF Burlington Weave Prince of Wales Check Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOA0010MBU | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.33 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 43 | Sky Blue/Pink | ESF Non-Iron Twill Prince of Wales Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2635SKY | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.33 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 44 | Lilac | ESF Burlington Weave Prince of Wales Check Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOA0010LLC | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | 70.33 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 45 | Light Pink | ESF Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2663LPK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 46 | White | ESF Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0333WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | FRENCH | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 47 | Lilac Purple | ESF Spread Collar Non-Iron Twill Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON2542LLC | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 48 | White | ESF Non-Iron Twill Shirt [2nd same SKU] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FON0333WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | FRENCH | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 49 | White | ESF BIB FRONT EVENING SHIRT (Qty 2) | Charles Tyrwhitt | Formal | FOL0241WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | FRENCH | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | 242.78 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 50 | White | ESF Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0702WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 51 | Mid Blue | ESF Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0114MBU | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 52 | Navy | ESF Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0114NAV | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.6 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 53 | Pink | ESF Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0114PNK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 54 | Mid Blue | ESF Cotton Linen PRINCE OF WALES Shirt | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0103MBU | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 55 | Sky Blue | Linen Polo | Charles Tyrwhitt | Polo | JEP0448SKY | Small | — | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 48.61 | Small — CURRENT |
| 56 | Ice Blue | Pure Merino Crew Neck Sweater | Charles Tyrwhitt | Knitwear | KNM0014CEB | Small | — | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | 96.68 | Small — CURRENT |
| 57 | Sky Blue | Linen Polo [DUPLICATE] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Polo | JEP0448SKY | Small | — | wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | 48.61 | Small — CURRENT |
| 58 | White | ESF Cotton Linen Shirt [DUPLICATE] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | FOB0702WHT | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 59 | Mid Blue | ESF Cotton Linen Shirt [DUPLICATE] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0114MBU | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 60 | Pink | ESF Cotton Linen Shirt [DUPLICATE] | Charles Tyrwhitt | Shirt | SCS0114PNK | 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSlim | Button | wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | 48.61 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| 61 | Black | Reda Merino Wool CUSTOM (Chest Fwd 1″) | Proper Cloth | Shirt | PCF2333 | 15 Coll / 34 Sl | One Btn | AC2024242 | Mar 26, 2026 | 255 | 15 collar — CURRENT |
| ITEM PRICES CAPTURED | ||
|---|---|---|
| TOO BIG — 16 collar / LARGE / MEDIUM | ||
| 15.5 transitional | ||
| CURRENT — 15 collar / Small | ||
| CHARLES TYRWHITT — 13 orders, all spend | ||
| PROPER CLOTH — 3 of 9 orders |
TOTAL ORDER SPEND CAPTURED 4043.06
*** OWNERSHIP RESOLVED Aug 14, 2026 — THE TOO-BIG CT SHIRTS ARE NOT GONE ***
Owner: "actually the CT medium shirts, I still have. they are boxed up in storage in case I ever put weight back on."
RECIPIENT = Jesse. OWNERSHIP STATUS = RETAINED — boxed in storage, deliberate hedge against weight regain.
*** THIS FALSIFIES THE DISPOSAL RULE I WROTE THE SAME DAY ***
An hour earlier I generalised from the father-in-law gift: "cheap + too big -> given away; costly + too big ->
returned", and predicted the CT pieces ($42-70 each) would be in the give-away band. WRONG.
There is a THIRD disposal state and it is not price-driven at all:
RETURNED — sent back, refund expected (Archer 3194, Mauvais W30, Allen Edmonds 9.0)
GIVEN AWAY — father-in-law, when too big AND not worth the trouble (BR Jul 2025 linen)
RETAINED — boxed in storage against a possible future body change (Charles Tyrwhitt, Armani/Boss 40-42)
DONATED — to charity, unrecoverable, no recipient to ask (Armani/Boss 46 and 48) [ADDED Aug 14, 2026]
WHY THE HEDGE IS RATIONAL HERE, AND WHAT IT MEANS
The weight record is 206.1 lb (Jul 2024) -> 153.9 (Feb 2025) -> ~150 now, stable about 18 months. He came down
roughly 56 lb. Keeping the larger sizes is insurance written by someone who has held both bodies.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE WORKBOOK: "too big" is a FIT verdict, not an ownership verdict. The two must never be
conflated again. A garment can be unwearable today and still be owned, on purpose, indefinitely.
*** SCOPE IS AMBIGUOUS — DO NOT GUESS WHICH PIECES ***
He said "the CT MEDIUM shirts". The too-big CT bucket is 21 pieces and splits three ways:
14 16-collar numeric shirts (13 XSlim + 1 non-XSlim) Sep-Oct 2024
2 alpha LARGE shirts Oct 2024
4 alpha MEDIUM / XSlim shirts (linen) Jan + Apr 2025
1 alpha MEDIUM Cream Merino Crew Neck SWEATER — knitwear, not a shirt
READ LITERALLY, "medium shirts" = the 4 MEDIUM/XSlim linen shirts only.
READ LOOSELY, it could mean the whole too-big set of 21.
The 16-collar group is the largest and the oldest, and it is a NUMERIC size, so it would not naturally be called
"medium" — but it is the group most likely to matter if he ever did regain weight.
ASK: is it the 4 linen mediums, or everything boxed together? Until answered, only the 4 are tagged RETAINED and
the other 17 stay UNRESOLVED. Under-claiming here is the safe error.
ALSO STILL OPEN: the 2 Suitsupply size-M knitwear pieces and the 1 CT Cream Merino M sweater. Same question —
boxed with the shirts, or a different fate? They were bought in the same era and failed the same way.
*** HARD EXCLUSION — NO BUTTON-DOWN COLLARS. EVER. (added Aug 14, 2026) ***
Owner, unprompted: "i HATE button down collars."
THE DATA ALREADY AGREED — IT HAD JUST NEVER BEEN STATED
All 61 shirt records were checked for button-down collars. ZERO MATCHES. Not one, across every brand and every
era in the workbook — including the 21 boxed too-big shirts from the 16-collar period.
The Charles Tyrwhitt shirts are overwhelmingly ESF SPREAD and ESF SEMI-SPREAD. The Ledbury shirts are semi-spread
quint and short spread alden. The Proper Cloth customs are spread. Every collar he owns is a spread family collar.
This is a preference that has been silently governing 61 purchases and was never once written down.
WHY THIS MATTERS MORE THAN IT LOOKS
Button-down is the DEFAULT collar on a huge share of American casual shirting — oxfords especially. Brands like
Bonobos, Banana Republic and J.Crew sell button-down as the standard casual option. An OCBD is the single most
common casual shirt in the US market.
So this exclusion silently removes a large fraction of the available casual-shirt market, and it explains
something the workbook has never accounted for: why his casual shirting is so concentrated in CT, Ledbury and
Proper Cloth rather than spread across the mainstream brands he otherwise buys heavily from.
THE COLLAR LADDER — now stated for the first time
PREFERRED: Short spread alden (Ledbury, settled Jul 2025) — but see the DIAL note: the preference is mild.
ACCEPTED: ESF Spread · ESF Semi-Spread (Charles Tyrwhitt, 50 of 61 shirts) · semi-spread quint (2 Ledbury)
EXCLUDED: BUTTON-DOWN — owner states he HATES it. Do not order, do not recommend, do not surface.
CAUTION ON SCOPE
He said COLLARS. The CUFF column is a different attribute and is unaffected: 43 shirts have BUTTON cuffs, 5 have
FRENCH cuffs, 3 One-Button. Button CUFFS are clearly fine. Do not extend the exclusion from collar to cuff.
*** THE COLLAR RULE IS BINARY AT THE FAMILY LEVEL — refined Aug 14, 2026 ***
Owner: "the two collars are not THAT different." (on semi-spread quint vs short spread alden)
Read alongside "i HATE button down collars", the structure is clear and it is NOT a ranking:
INSIDE the spread family — spread, semi-spread, quint, alden — differences are MINOR. All wearable.
OUTSIDE it — BUTTON-DOWN — hard exclusion, no exceptions.
So the ORDER-THIS card should say: any spread-family collar is acceptable; short spread alden is the mild
preference; button-down is a refusal. Do not present the spread variants as a hierarchy — he does not treat them
as one, and treating them that way would generate false constraints on future orders.
THIS ALSO SIZES THE RISK ON FUTURE ORDERS CORRECTLY
If short spread alden is unavailable at a maker, ANY spread-family collar will do. Collar style is not a reason
to reject a shirt. Contrast the variables that DO have documented failures: waist, shoe size, alpha size.
ACTION Aug 16 2026: DO NOT REORDER FROM APPOSTA UNTIL SIZING IS UPDATED (owner instruction). Apposta order 1751558736647, 3 Jul 2025, Cotton-Bamboo Poplin shirt $214, order total $211.60 — NOT YET ADDED as an inventory row, pending the MTM spec. Full note on the "New Brands — Alex Crane etc" tab.
Shirts & Knitwear
Shirts & Knitwear — Charles Tyrwhitt · Proper Cloth · Paul James
27 orders enumerated from jesse@jessncass.com, read Aug 12 2026. ORDER-LEVEL ONLY — none of these three brands puts item names, sizes or prices in the body of the confirmation email that the mail index exposes, so garments and spend for this tab are NOT yet captured.
| # | Brand | Order ref | Ordered | Dispatched / shipped | Category | Status / notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10030994 | Sep 29, 2024 | Oct 2, 2024 | Shirts? | |
| 2 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10086377 | Oct 22, 2024 | Oct 22, 2024 | Shirts? | Same-day dispatch |
| 3 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10088552 | Oct 23, 2024 | Oct 23, 2024 | Shirts? | Ordered the DAY AFTER wus10086377 — two orders back to back |
| 4 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10101029 | Oct 28, 2024 | Oct 28, 2024 | Shirts? | Fourth order in 5 weeks |
| 5 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10342240 | Jan 25, 2025 | Jan 28, 2025 | Shirts? | |
| 6 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10409146 | Feb 20, 2025 | Feb 21, 2025 | Shirts? | Paid via KLARNA — $71.64 payment Feb 21, 2025, including a $3.00 service fee |
| 7 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10595382 | Apr 20, 2025 | Apr 23, 2025 | Shirts? | |
| 8 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10630203 | Apr 30, 2025 | May 1, 2025 | Shirts? | Ordered 10 days after wus10595382 |
| 9 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10835251 | Jul 9, 2025 | Jul 11, 2025 | Shirts? | |
| 10 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus10978494 | Sep 14, 2025 | Sep 16, 2025 | Shirts? | |
| 11 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus11354644 | Feb 13, 2026 | Feb 16, 2026 | Shirts? | |
| 12 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | Feb 20, 2026 | Shirts? | RETURNED — return registered with ReBOUND Mar 9, 2026, USPS, free. Reason and items NOT stated. THE ONLY RETURN ANYWHERE IN THIS WORKBOOK. || CORRECTED Aug 2026: NOT the only return. Allen Edmonds Caleb Derby in size 9.0 was returned Jan 23, 2025 (refund $195.50) — fourteen months earlier. That one WAS a clean size swap; this Charles Tyrwhitt one was not. |
| 13 | Charles Tyrwhitt | wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | Feb 20, 2026 | Shirts? | Ordered the DAY AFTER wus11370463 and dispatched same day — looks like a replacement for the order that was returned, but nothing in the emails says so |
| 14 | Proper Cloth | AC1757735 | Jan 12, 2025 | Jan 17, 2025 | Custom shirt | FIRST Proper Cloth order — the follow-up email calls it 'Your First Custom Shirt Order' |
| 15 | Proper Cloth | AC1778444 | Feb 20, 2025 | Feb 26, 2025 | Custom shirts | |
| 16 | Proper Cloth | AC1786802 | Mar 6, 2025 | Mar 12, 2025 | Custom shirt | |
| 17 | Proper Cloth | AC1794596 | Mar 18, 2025 | Mar 25, 2025 | Custom shirts | |
| 18 | Proper Cloth | AC1810344 | Apr 10, 2025 | Apr 15, 2025 | Custom shirt | |
| 19 | Proper Cloth | AC1811735 | Apr 12, 2025 | Apr 17, 2025 | CASUAL PANTS | NOT SHIRTS — 'Casual Pants Order'. Proper Cloth also made trousers. These are custom pants that belong in the garment inventory, not a shirt drawer. |
| 20 | Proper Cloth | AC1826334 | May 4, 2025 | May 9, 2025 | Custom shirts | |
| 21 | Proper Cloth | AC1882039 | Jul 26, 2025 | Jul 31, 2025 | Custom shirts | |
| 22 | Proper Cloth | AC2024242 | Mar 26, 2026 | Apr 1, 2026 | Custom shirt | 8-month gap after AC1882039 — then one order and nothing since |
| 23 | Paul James | PJK-223598 | Feb 22, 2025 | not captured | Knitwear | |
| 24 | Paul James | PJK-233175 | Jul 15, 2025 | not captured | Knitwear | |
| 25 | Paul James | PJK-235271 | Aug 29, 2025 | not captured | Knitwear | |
| 26 | Paul James | PJK-235876 | Sep 8, 2025 | not captured | Knitwear | Ordered 10 days after PJK-235271 |
| 27 | Paul James | PJK-237675 | Oct 6, 2025 | not captured | Knitwear | LAST Paul James order. Jesse UNSUBSCRIBED from their mailing list Jul 5, 2026. |
Charles Tyrwhitt orders 13
Proper Cloth orders 9
Paul James orders 5
TOTAL ORDERS 27
| Garments captured | 0 | |
|---|---|---|
| Spend captured | 0 |
WHAT IS MISSING AND WHY
• ALL 27 ORDERS ARE CONFIRMED REAL. Refs, order dates and (for CT and PC) dispatch dates are read straight from the confirmation emails. What is NOT yet captured is what was IN them.
• NONE of these three senders exposes line items in the searchable body. Charles Tyrwhitt sends a generic 'thanks for your order' with the ref only; Proper Cloth shows the address block and est. delivery; Paul James sends a Shopify shell. Item names, fabrics, sizes, collar/cuff specs and prices all sit further inside the HTML and have to be pulled email by email.
• That means the current $24,733.89 total is understated by three whole brands, and the 69-garment count excludes every shirt and every knit Jesse owns.
• SCALE ESTIMATE, NOT A FIGURE: 13 Charles Tyrwhitt orders, 9 Proper Cloth, 5 Paul James. Even at one garment per order that is 27 more pieces; CT and PC shirts are usually bought in multiples, so the real garment count is likely far higher. Do not put a dollar number on this until the line items are read.
FINDINGS THAT DO NOT NEED THE LINE ITEMS:
• THE ONLY RETURN IN THE ENTIRE WORKBOOK is Charles Tyrwhitt wus11370463 — ordered Feb 19, 2026, dispatched Feb 20, returned via ReBOUND Mar 9, 2026 (USPS, free). Across Sartoro, Suitsupply, Oliver Wicks, Black Lapel, Hangrr, Thomas Bird, Idrese and now these three, nothing else was ever sent back. Worth knowing WHY — it is the single clearest fit-failure signal in the data. || CORRECTED Aug 2026: NOT the only return. Allen Edmonds Caleb Derby in size 9.0 was returned Jan 23, 2025 (refund $195.50) — fourteen months earlier. That one WAS a clean size swap; this Charles Tyrwhitt one was not.
• AND THE VERY NEXT DAY he ordered again (wus11371639, Feb 20, 2026, dispatched same day). That reads like a size swap, but no email confirms it.
• PROPER CLOTH MADE HIM TROUSERS, NOT JUST SHIRTS. AC1811735 (Apr 12, 2025) is a 'Casual Pants Order'. Those are custom pants and belong in the garment inventory alongside Sartoro and Suitsupply.
• PROPER CLOTH BURST THEN STOPPED. Eight orders between Jan 12 and Jul 26, 2025 — roughly one a month — then an 8-month gap and a single order Mar 26, 2026. Something changed.
• PAUL JAMES IS OVER. Five orders Feb–Oct 2025, nothing since, and Jesse unsubscribed from their list on Jul 5, 2026.
• CHARLES TYRWHITT CLUSTERS IN BURSTS: four orders in five weeks (Sep 29 – Oct 28, 2024), then two in eleven days (Apr 20 / Apr 30, 2025), then three in eight days (Feb 13 / 19 / 20, 2026).
• ONE ORDER USED KLARNA: wus10409146 (Feb 2025) — a $71.64 payment including a $3.00 service fee. Every other order in this workbook was paid outright.
• INDOCHINO is marketing to him heavily (Jan–Mar 2026) but NO Indochino order exists in the mailbox. Worth confirming he has never ordered from them.
Shirt & Knit Line Items
Shirt & Knit Line Items — extracted from confirmation emails
Charles Tyrwhitt confirmations DO carry full detail: product name, SKU, collar/sleeve, fit, and a tax-inclusive line price. 2 of 13 CT orders extracted so far — the February 2026 pair, because that is where the return is. 11 CT + 9 Proper Cloth + 5 Paul James still to read.
HEADLINE: the Feb 20 order is NOT a size swap. It is an exact duplicate — same 4 SKUs, same 15/34 Extra Slim, same $48.61. Nothing was resized.
| Order | Ordered | Item | SKU | Size / spec | Fit | Price (incl. tax) | Note |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | ESF White Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | FOB0702WHT | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | RE-ORDERED next day |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | ESF Mid Blue Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | SCS0114MBU | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | RE-ORDERED next day |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | ESF Navy Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | SCS0114NAV | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.6 | NOT re-ordered — note the odd $48.60 |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | ESF Pink Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | SCS0114PNK | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | RE-ORDERED next day |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | ESF Mid Blue Non-Iron Cotton Linen Prince of Wales Shirt | SCS0103MBU | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | NOT re-ordered |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | Sky Blue Linen Polo | JEP0448SKY | Small | — | 48.61 | RE-ORDERED next day |
| wus11370463 | Feb 19, 2026 | Ice Blue Pure Merino Crew Neck Sweater | KNM0014CEB | Small | — | 96.68 | NOT re-ordered — most expensive item on the order |
| wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | Sky Blue Linen Polo | JEP0448SKY | Small | — | 48.61 | DUPLICATE of the Feb 19 line |
| wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | ESF White Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | FOB0702WHT | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | DUPLICATE — identical size and fit |
| wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | ESF Mid Blue Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | SCS0114MBU | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | DUPLICATE — identical size and fit |
| wus11371639 | Feb 20, 2026 | ESF Pink Non-Iron Cotton Linen Shirt | SCS0114PNK | 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff | Extra Slim | 48.61 | DUPLICATE — identical size and fit |
wus11370463 order total 388.33
wus11371639 order total 194.44
Captured so far (2 of 27 orders) 582.77
Garments captured 11
Sales tax paid (both orders) 46.27 $30.83 + $15.44 — both compute to 8.625%
THE FEBRUARY 2026 SEQUENCE — what actually happened
• Feb 19: order wus11370463, SEVEN items, $388.33.
• Feb 20 (next day): order wus11371639, FOUR items, $194.44 — the White shirt, Mid Blue shirt, Pink shirt and Sky Blue Polo. Every one is the SAME SKU at the SAME 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve, SAME Extra Slim fit, SAME $48.61.
• Mar 9: the Feb 19 order was returned in full to ReBOUND (USPS Ground, free, tracking 803533906829911230).
• SO IT WAS NOT A FIT PROBLEM. If the first order had been the wrong size, the replacement would have come in a different collar, sleeve or fit. It did not change by a single measurement. The most likely readings are a duplicate/accidental order, or a deliberate re-buy to capture a promotion — but nothing in the emails states a reason.
• WHAT THE RETURN ACTUALLY COVERED IS STILL UNKNOWN. The ReBOUND email names the order but not the items. The attached return_form_1773084441645.pdf is what lists them. That single PDF settles whether he sent back all seven or only the four duplicates — and therefore whether he ended up owning 7 garments or 4.
• IF only the four duplicates went back, he kept: Navy shirt, Mid Blue Prince of Wales shirt, Ice Blue Merino sweater, plus the four re-ordered pieces = 7 garments for $194.44 + $242.50.
SIZE PROFILE ESTABLISHED (Feb 2026, Charles Tyrwhitt)
• Shirts: 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve, BUTTON CUFF, EXTRA SLIM FIT — identical across all 8 shirt lines.
• Knitwear and polos: SMALL.
• This is the first hard ready-to-wear size anywhere in the workbook. Everything else — Sartoro, Suitsupply, Oliver Wicks, Black Lapel, Hangrr — is made to measure. A 15/34 Extra Slim off-the-peg shirt is a useful cross-check against the custom shirt specs once Proper Cloth is extracted.
• Sales tax runs 8.625%, matching Suitsupply. Shipping is $0 on both orders.
• Note the price quirk: CT quotes line prices INCLUSIVE of sales tax, and the seven lines sum exactly to the stated $388.33 — which is why the Navy shirt is $48.60 and not $48.61.
STILL TO EXTRACT: 11 Charles Tyrwhitt orders (Sep 2024 – Feb 2026), all 9 Proper Cloth, all 5 Paul James. Proper Cloth matters most for fit — those are custom shirts with their own measurement profile, and one order (AC1811735) is trousers.
Footwear & Accessories
Footwear & Accessories — Thomas Bird London + Idrese
Source: order-confirmation emails in jesse@jessncass.com, read Aug 12 2026. Kept OFF the garment count on the Summary tab — shoes and belts, not tailoring. Green = fits · Orange = wrong size / open issue · Purple = owner-modified · Grey = spec not published.
| # | Brand | Order | Order date | Item | Type | List | Paid | Size / spec | Fits? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | Thomas Bird | 413099 | Jun 30, 2025 | Bourne Monk Strap Oxblood | Shoes | 371 | 371 | 42 / UK 8 / US 9 | YES — correct size | Delivered Jul 2, 2025 · DHL Express 2783545376 |
| 2 | Thomas Bird | 414500 | Mar 16, 2026 | Hampton Penny Loafer Navy Blue Suede | Shoes | 359 | 359 | 42 / UK 8 / US 9 | YES — correct size | Free US standard (5-10 working days) |
| 3 | Thomas Bird | 414500 | Mar 16, 2026 | Benson Wholecut Oxford Plum | Shoes | 359 | 359 | 42 / UK 8 / US 9 | YES — correct size | Sat in an abandoned cart from Dec 24, 2025 |
| 4 | Thomas Bird | 415129 | Jul 1, 2026 | Suede Belt Navy Blue | Belt | 163 | 163 | 40" / 102cm | N/A as delivered — OWNER-MODIFIED: cut to length and re-buckled with Jesse's own hardware. Purchased length is raw stock, not a fit measurement. | Matches the Hampton loafer · shipped Jul 3, 2026 |
| 5 | Thomas Bird | 415129 | Jul 1, 2026 | Leather Belt Plum | Belt | 163 | 163 | 40" / 102cm | N/A as delivered — OWNER-MODIFIED: cut to length and re-buckled with Jesse's own hardware. Purchased length is raw stock, not a fit measurement. | Matches the Benson oxford · shipped Jul 3, 2026 |
| 6 | Thomas Bird | 415281 | Jul 29, 2026 | Leather Belt Aubergine/Eggplant | Belt | 163 | 130.4 | 38" / 97cm | N/A as delivered — OWNER-MODIFIED: cut to length and re-buckled with Jesse's own hardware. Purchased length is raw stock, not a fit measurement. | 20% OFF BELT WITH ANY FOOTWEAR OVER £200 (−$32.60) · matches the Ellington |
| 7 | Thomas Bird | 415281 | Jul 29, 2026 | Ellington Wholecut Brogue Aubergine | Shoes | 360 | 360 | 43 / UK 9 / US 10 | NO — TOO BIG. Ordered a full size up by mistake. | Shipped Jul 29 · still in transit Aug 3, 2026 · RETURN/EXCHANGE WINDOW OPEN |
| 8 | Idrese | 4423 | Jul 3, 2025 | Derby — RED, very heavy burnishing | Shoes | 335 | 335 | US 9. COLOUR: red, VERY HEAVY burnishing. Most likely the pair worn Aug 13, 2026 (reported as red/burgundy, fitted fine). | Not reported | Owner-supplied Aug 13, 2026. Note the owner counts TWO derbies and ONE oxford; Idrese labelled two orders Oxford and one Derby. See conflict note below. |
| 9 | Idrese | 4479 | Sep 2, 2025 | Oxford — GRAY or NAVY SUEDE (which is which not yet known) | Shoes | 335 | 335 | US 9. Both 4479 and 4604 are OXFORDS — owner confirmed Aug 13, 2026. One is GRAY with heavy burnishing, the other NAVY SUEDE. Order-to-colour assignment still open. | Not reported | DHL waybill 1670458403 · IMPORT DUTY $40.08 collected Oct 2, 2025. Colour unassigned between this order and 4604. |
| 10 | Idrese | 4604 | Dec 24, 2025 | Oxford — GRAY or NAVY SUEDE (which is which not yet known) | Shoes | 335 | 275 | US 9. Both 4479 and 4604 are OXFORDS — owner confirmed Aug 13, 2026. One is GRAY with heavy burnishing, the other NAVY SUEDE. Order-to-colour assignment still open. | Not reported | Discount code SIXTYOFF -$60, paid $275 — the cheapest Idrese pair. Colour unassigned between this order and 4479. |
| 11 | Idrese | 4647 | Feb 1, 2026 | Jumper Boot — RED, very heavy burnishing | Shoes | 351 | 351 | US 9. COLOUR: red, VERY HEAVY burnishing. Lace-up boot. | Not reported | One of the two Jumper Boots on order 4647. Card charged $701.00 for the pair of boots. |
| 12 | Idrese | 4647 | Feb 1, 2026 | Jumper Boot — NAVY, very heavy burnishing | Shoes | 351 | 351 | US 9. COLOUR: navy, VERY HEAVY burnishing. Lace-up boot. | Not reported | The second Jumper Boot on order 4647. Red and navy bought together on one order. |
| 13 | Idrese | 4652 | Feb 4, 2026 | Octavian Buckle Boot — BLACK | Shoes | 375 | 375 | US 9. COLOUR: black. No burnishing reported — the only plain-finish Idrese pair. | Not reported | Shipped Feb 28, 2026 · DHL Express. CORRECTED Aug 13, 2026: briefly recorded as tan linen. That was wrong — tan linen is the Double Monk (4746). Owner distinguishes "buckle boots" (this, black) from "buckle shoes" (4746, tan linen). |
| 14 | Idrese | 4746 | May 1, 2026 | Double Monk — TAN / NATURAL, LINEN upper | Shoes | 335 | 335 | US 9. COLOUR: tan / natural. UPPER: LINEN, not leather. The only non-leather footwear in the workbook. | Not reported | Most recent Idrese order. Linen is a warm-weather upper: breathes, will not take polish, marks more readily, and must NOT get standard leather conditioner. Ordered May 1, 2026 — a summer shoe. |
ADJUSTMENT — order 4647 line items sum to $702 but the stated subtotal and the actual card charge were both $701. $1 unexplained. -1
TOTALS 4355 4261.4
Thomas Bird paid 1905.4
Idrese paid 2356
DHL import duty (Idrese, Oct 2 2025) 40.08
TOTAL INCL. DUTY 4301.48
Pairs of shoes 11
Belts 3
SIZE REFERENCE
| Brand / size | Verdict | Evidence |
|---|---|---|
| Thomas Bird — 42 / UK 8 / US 9 | CORRECT — order this | Three pairs in 42 (Bourne, Hampton, Benson). Owner-reported: fits fine WITH SOCKS. Leather insoles were browsed Jul 2025 so the 42s could be worn SOCKLESS — not because 42 was loose. |
| Thomas Bird — 43 / UK 9 / US 10 | TOO BIG — do not repeat | One pair: Ellington Wholecut Brogue Aubergine, order 415281. Ordered a full size up by mistake. |
| Idrese — US 9 | CORRECT — owner-confirmed | Jesse wears US 9 at Idrese. Consistent with Thomas Bird 42 / UK 8 / US 9. Note this is NOT recoverable from the mailbox — no Idrese confirmation states a size. Colour, leather, last and sole are still unrecorded for all seven pairs. |
• IDRESE IS THE BIGGER FOOTWEAR RELATIONSHIP: 7 pairs / $2,356.00 across six orders (Jul 2025 – May 2026) versus Thomas Bird's 4 pairs / $1,449.00. It is also the worse-documented one — Thomas Bird states size on every line, Idrese states none.
• NO SIZE, COLOUR, LEATHER, LAST OR SOLE appears on any Idrese confirmation — only style name, quantity and price. For a custom-made shoe that is the entire specification missing. Two orders are both called simply 'Oxford' and two lines on order 4647 are both 'Jumper Boot', so the emails cannot even distinguish the pairs from each other.
• $1 UNEXPLAINED on order 4647: two Jumper Boots at $351 each is $702, but the stated subtotal and the actual card charge were both $701.00 (confirmed by two independent bank alerts).
• IMPORT DUTY IS A REAL EXTRA COST: DHL collected $40.08 on Oct 2, 2025 for waybill 1670458403 from Idrese — most likely order 4479, though nothing links them explicitly. No Idrese order total includes duty, so every one of them is a floor. Only one duty receipt is in the mailbox; whether the other five orders were charged duty is unverified.
• Idrese shipping is $0 on all six orders, same as Thomas Bird. Neither brand shows sales tax.
• CORRECTION: an earlier version of this tab suggested an Idrese pair had been to a cobbler. It had not. The Jan 27, 2026 note reads 'take a pair of my Idrese shoes to SHOW them' — Jesse was showing the shoes to Chris at Covenant Brothers, not having them worked on. No Idrese pair has been altered.
• These 14 items are NOT in the 69-garment count or the $20,432.41 on the Summary tab. Combined across all brands: 83 items, $24,733.89 including duty.
IDRESE SPECIFICATION — FIRST TWO DATA POINTS EVER RECORDED (Aug 13, 2026)
- This tab has carried the note that NO Idrese confirmation states size, colour, leather, last or sole. Two of those blanks are now filled, both from the owner rather than from any document.
- Order 4652, Octavian Buckle Boot: TAN / NATURAL, upper is LINEN.
- One further pair is RED / BURGUNDY (worn Aug 13, 2026) but has not yet been matched to an order. Candidates: 4423 Derby, 4479 Oxford, 4604 Oxford, 4647 Jumper Boot x2, 4746 Double Monk.
- Five of seven pairs still have no colour and no material at all.
WHY A LINEN UPPER MATTERS MORE THAN A COLOUR
- Linen is a WARM-WEATHER upper. It breathes, and it neither takes nor holds a polish the way calf does. That makes 4652 a seasonal shoe, not a year-round one - the first seasonal designation for any footwear in this workbook.
- It also carries different care requirements: linen marks and stains more readily than leather, cannot be corrected with cream polish, and should not be treated with standard leather conditioner.
- Ordering timing is consistent with a summer shoe: ordered Feb 4, 2026, shipped Feb 28 - bought in winter, made to order, ready for the warm season.
COLOUR PALETTE - A THIRD FAMILY APPEARS
- The workbook documents two threads: NAVY dominant (4 Allen Edmonds pairs, navy Park Avenue, Carmina 80444, Thomas Bird Hampton, Paul James blazer, numerous shirts) and a sustained PURPLE/RED thread (Thomas Bird Plum and Aubergine, Carmina and Thomas Bird oxblood, CT lilac and purple, Hangrr Deep Purple and Fuji Purple, Sartoro Eminence).
- The red/burgundy Idrese pair belongs to the second thread. TAN / NATURAL belongs to neither - it is a third, light-neutral family, and currently the only footwear entry in it.
IDRESE COLOUR RECORD COMPLETE — all seven pairs, Aug 13, 2026, owner-supplied
- This tab has carried the note that NO Idrese confirmation states size, colour, leather, last or sole. COLOUR IS NOW COMPLETE FOR ALL SEVEN PAIRS. Only last and sole remain blank, plus leather type on five.
- 4423 Derby: RED, very heavy burnishing. | 4479 + 4604 Oxfords: one GRAY heavy burnishing, one NAVY SUEDE (unassigned). | 4647 Jumper Boots: RED and NAVY, both very heavy burnishing. | 4652 Octavian Buckle Boot: BLACK. | 4746 Double Monk: TAN / NATURAL LINEN.
CORRECTION LOGGED — 4652 WAS BRIEFLY MIS-RECORDED
- Earlier on Aug 13, 2026 the owner said "the Idrese buckle shoes are tan linen" and this was recorded against 4652, the Octavian Buckle BOOT, with the ambiguity flagged at the time.
- The owner then specified that the buckle BOOTS are black. "Buckle shoes" and "buckle boots" are different pairs: the tan linen is the DOUBLE MONK (4746) — a double monk being a buckled shoe. 4652 is black. Both entries above are now correct.
BURNISHING IS A DELIBERATE AND DOMINANT STYLE CHOICE
- FOUR of seven Idrese pairs are burnished, three of them "very heavy": red Derby, red Jumper Boot, navy Jumper Boot, and the gray Oxford (heavy). Burnishing is a hand-applied antiquing that darkens toes and heels for depth.
- It is not a default — it is specified per order on a made-to-order shoe. Four of seven means this is the single most consistent styling decision in the entire footwear wardrobe, ahead of even the navy preference.
- The two unburnished pairs are the outliers and both make sense: black Octavian (burnishing barely reads on black) and tan linen Double Monk (linen cannot be burnished).
COLOUR PALETTE — IDRESE MIRRORS THE WHOLE WARDROBE
- RED x2 (Derby, Jumper Boot) — extends the sustained red/purple thread: Thomas Bird Plum and Aubergine, Carmina and Thomas Bird oxblood, CT lilac and purple, Hangrr Deep Purple and Fuji Purple, Sartoro Eminence.
- NAVY x2 (Jumper Boot, suede Oxford/Derby) — extends the dominant navy thread: 4 Allen Edmonds pairs, navy Park Avenue, Carmina 80444, Thomas Bird Hampton, Paul James blazer.
- GRAY x1, BLACK x1, TAN/NATURAL x1 — the tan is the only entry in a light-neutral family and the only non-leather upper in the workbook.
- SUEDE now spans two brands: 11 of 12 Allen Edmonds pairs plus one Idrese.
RESOLVED — OWNER COUNT NOW MATCHES IDRESE LABELLING
- An earlier owner description implied ONE oxford and TWO derbies, against Idrese labelling two orders Oxford and one Derby. The owner corrected this on Aug 13, 2026: the RED pair is the ONLY derby, and BOTH the gray and the navy suede are oxfords.
- Idrese labelling was therefore CORRECT throughout: 4423 Derby, 4479 Oxford, 4604 Oxford. The earlier doubt about the reliability of the Oxford labels is withdrawn.
- STILL OPEN, and it is the last unknown in the Idrese colour record: which of 4479 (Sep 2, 2025, $335, drew $40.08 import duty) and 4604 (Dec 24, 2025, $275 after SIXTYOFF) is the GRAY, and which is the NAVY SUEDE.
Fabric Groups
Coordinated Fabric Groups — jacket / pants / vest sharing a fabric
| Fabric Code | Fabric | Jacket(s) | Pants | Vest | Pieces | Lining |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1603 | Shimmer Black | Monroe (2-button) + Monroe tuxedo (1-button peak) | Shimmer Black Pants | Shimmer Black Vest | 4 | 9011 - Turquoise Satin |
| 2012 | Sky Blue Windowpane | Thompson | Sky Blue Windowpane Pants | Sky Blue Windowpane Vest | 3 | 9025 - Opera Mauve Purple Satin |
| 4406 | Black Pindot | Ellis x2 (gold piping, different specs) | Black Pindot Pants | Black Pindot Vest | 4 | 9025 Opera Mauve Purple / 8504 Drab Gold Paisley |
| 1207 | Off-White Prince of Wales | Ellis | Off-White POW Pants | Off-White POW Vest | 3 | 9086 - Carolina Blue Satin |
| 2601 | Midnight Black Stretch | Hudson | Midnight Black Stretch Pants | Midnight Black Vest (double breasted) | 3 | 9081 - Burnt Red Satin |
| 4301 | Aspen Green Hopsack | Lafayette ×2 (different specs) | Aspen Green Hopsack Pants | — | 3 | 9003 - Cream Satin |
| 255172 / — | Polo Blue Glen Plaid | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo ×2 (different specs) | Polo Blue Glen Plaid Pants | — | 3 | 8508 - Teal Large Paisley |
| 1807 | Powder Grey Twill | Ellis | Powder Grey Twill Pants | — | 2 | 9029 - Navy Blue Satin |
| 1502 | Navy Sharkskin | Bryant | Navy Sharkskin Pants | — | 2 | 9027 - Royal Blue Satin |
| 1604 | Shimmer Grey | Monroe | Shimmer Grey Pants | — | 2 | 9036 - Mulberry Plum Satin |
| 486.367/4 (Suitsupply) | Mid Blue Check Pure S110's Wool | Custom Made Jacket (base 36) | Custom Made Trousers (base 28) | Custom Made Waistcoat, double breasted (base 36) | 3 | Rust/brown |
| 7163/5 (Suitsupply) | Black Wool Stretch | Custom Made Jacket (base 36) | Custom Made Trousers | Custom Made Waistcoat, five button (base 36) | 3 | Red |
| 586.801/6 (Suitsupply) | Dark Grey Pure S110's Wool | Custom Made Jacket (base 36) | Custom Made Trousers (base 28) | Custom Made Waistcoat (base 36) | 3 | Light grey |
| 188.481/13 (Suitsupply) | Dark Blue Bird's eye Pure S130's Wool | Custom Made Jacket (base 36) | Custom Made Trousers (base 28) | Custom Made Waistcoat (base 36) | 3 | Grey |
| 595.401/30 (Suitsupply) | Mid Blue Pure Tropical Wool | Custom Made Jacket (base 36) | Custom Made Trousers (base 28) | Custom Made Waistcoat (base 36) | 3 | Off-white |
| 10069.1/131 (Suitsupply) | Purple Wool Silk Linen | Custom Made Jacket (base 36, peak lapel) | Custom Made Trousers (base 28) | — | 2 | Cream/off-white (per product image) — jacket and trousers bought on SEPARATE orders |
| Light Grey Pick & Pick (Oliver Wicks) | Light Grey Pick & Pick | Just a Jacket — half canvas, unpadded shoulders | Just a Pair of Pants — two back pockets | — | 2 | Solid Burgundy |
| Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane (Black Lapel) | Premium Grey / Purple Windowpane | Half canvas, 2-button, notched lapel, double vent, picked stitching | Plain front, no cuff, standard waistband | — | 2 | Purple Solid — jacket and pants bought on SEPARATE orders the same day |
| Deep Purple Wool (Hangrr) | Deep Purple Wool | MODERN-SLIM, peak lapel, two-button, half canvas | Cross-pockets (sold with the jacket as a suit) | SLIM, structured, full-lined | 3 | Satin lining — jacket + trousers on order HNG1731758 (Mar 17, 2026), vest added on HNG1733063 (May 9, 2026) eight weeks later |
ORPHAN PANTS — CORRECTED TWICE ON Aug 16, 2026. TEN of the original eleven are genuine orphans. ONLY Eminence Purple comes off the list. See the note at the bottom of this tab.
NOT AN ORPHAN — Eminence Purple Stretch Pants. HAS A JACKET — owner-confirmed. Sartoro Eminence purple cotton, jacket + pants, Mar 15 2026 — the NEWEST sizing generation.
Royal Blue Stretch Pants ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Aqua Blue Stretch Pants ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Dark Grey Prince of Wales Pants (2112) ← TRUE ORPHAN
Sapphire Blue Stretch Pants ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Navy Blue Stretch Pants (2609) ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Light Grey Stretch Pants ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Charcoal Stretch Pants ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Diamantia Teal Stretch Pants (2605) ← TRUE ORPHAN (my Aug 16 "has a jacket" edit was WRONG — owner-corrected same day)
Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants (Sartoro 255147) ← TRUE ORPHAN
Custom Made Trousers 75282/1 — Light Blue Wool Silk Linen (Suitsupply, custom made) ← TRUE ORPHAN
Standalone shirts: White, Deep Blue, and Black Ultrasoft Bamboo. Accessories: Silk Satin Turquoise Pocket Square (matches the 9011 Turquoise Satin lining of the Shimmer Black group); Collar Stays, 3 pairs.
Note: the Polo Blue Glen Plaid pairing is matched by product name — the jackets list fabric 'Sartoro 255172' while the pants line showed no fabric code.
Orphan jackets (no matching pants): Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer (Hangrr) — bought as a standalone blazer, not part of a suit.
*** ORPHAN LIST CORRECTED — Aug 16, 2026 ***
Owner: "Orphan pants (no matching jacket) — Eminence Purple Stretch Pants... but i have the jacket."
HE IS RIGHT, AND THIS WORKBOOK ALREADY AGREED WITH HIM. The Lower Body Block tab has carried "CORRECTION — EMINENCE PURPLE IS NOT AN ORPHAN" since before today, along with the true orphan count. The Fabric Groups list above was never updated to match, so the superseded version is what got published to the website.
TRUE ORPHANS — THREE, not eleven:
Dark Grey Prince of Wales Pants (2112)
Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants (Sartoro 255147)
Custom Made Trousers 75282/1 — Light Blue Wool Silk Linen (Suitsupply)
The eight Sartoro Stretch pairs all have matching jackets. "Stretch" at Sartoro means COTTON, owner-confirmed Aug 14, so these are cotton jacket-and-trouser pairings, not orphan trousers.
*** THE PATTERN THIS EXPOSES — IT IS THE THIRD TIME TODAY ***
This workbook corrects by APPENDING a dated note, which preserves the reasoning — good. But the ORIGINAL claim is often left standing, and any generated view renders both. Three instances found today alone:
1. Proper Cloth Fit Ladder still said the black pique was "PREFERRED" after the MTM Spec Sheet settled on the merino.
2. New Brands still said "SUNSPEL — STRONG EVIDENCE OF NO PURCHASE" and "APPOSTA — NOTHING FOUND" after both were confirmed customers.
3. Fabric Groups still listed eleven orphan trousers after the count was corrected to three.
RULE GOING FORWARD: when a correction is appended, the ORIGINAL LINE MUST ALSO BE MARKED — prefixed SUPERSEDED or NOT AN ORPHAN or similar — in the same edit. An append-only correction is invisible to anyone reading the original.
*** SECOND CORRECTION, SAME DAY — I OVER-CORRECTED. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "i didn't have any of the other jackets except the black stretch. the purple stretch and black stretch jackets are the only ones I have."
HE IS RIGHT. THE INVENTORY PROVES IT AND I DID NOT CHECK IT.
Garment Inventory #48 — Hudson Midnight Black Stretch Jacket, order 7311, $385, fabric 2601 Midnight Black Stretch. THE ONLY stretch jacket on record.
Garment Inventory summary line: "1 JACKET ($385): Hudson Midnight Black Stretch Jacket, fabric 2601. A COTTON jacket, not a wool suit jacket."
Sartoro Master generation 4: "Eminence purple cotton (jacket + pants), as of 2026-03-15."
TWO stretch/cotton jackets exist. Not eight.
THE TRUE ORPHAN LIST — TEN, not three and not eleven:
Royal Blue Stretch Pants
Aqua Blue Stretch Pants
Dark Grey Prince of Wales Pants (2112)
Sapphire Blue Stretch Pants
Navy Blue Stretch Pants (2609)
Light Grey Stretch Pants
Charcoal Stretch Pants
Diamantia Teal Stretch Pants (2605)
Nickel Grey Bamboo Pants (Sartoro 255147)
Custom Made Trousers 75282/1 — Light Blue Wool Silk Linen (Suitsupply)
PAIRED, and only these two: Eminence Purple (jacket + pants) · Midnight Black Stretch (Hudson jacket + pants).
ALSO WRONG — the Lower Body Block line "TRUE ORPHAN COUNT DROPS AGAIN: Dark Grey Prince of Wales, Nickel Grey Bamboo, Suitsupply Light Blue". That implies THREE orphans. It is not correct; it appears to assume every Stretch trouser has a Stretch jacket, which is false. Marked there too.
HOW I GOT IT WRONG, RECORDED BECAUSE IT MATTERS: I read that Lower Body Block line and propagated it to eight trousers without checking the jacket list. One query against Garment Inventory would have shown a single stretch jacket at $385. I had written the rule about not trusting a written line one edit earlier, then broke it immediately.
CONFIRMS THE STANDING RULE: a claim inside this workbook is not evidence. Only the primary record — order lines, account pages, the owner — is.
OPEN QUERY, NOW SHARPER: Sartoro Master asks why Diamantia Teal and Charcoal Stretch have BUTTONS listed (Rimmed brown, Obsidian) but no jacket. With only two stretch jackets confirmed, the answer is probably that those are TROUSER buttons. Worth confirming — it would close a query that has been open for several sessions.
Boxed Archive
BOXED ARCHIVE — garments owned, unwearable today, deliberately retained
Created Aug 14, 2026 from owner statements. This tab exists because the workbook had no way to record a garment
that is OWNED but does not fit, and was therefore at risk of treating the entire pre-loss wardrobe as disposed of.
THE OWNER'S REASON, IN HIS WORDS
"I have a real fear of spending all this money and regaining weight and buying expensive stuff again."
Everything too big is boxed and stored. The ONLY exception is the handful of size-M Banana Republic linen shirts,
which were cheap and went to his father-in-law.
| Group | Size | Count | Status | Era | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Armani suits | 40 and 42 | UNKNOWN | RETAINED — boxed | pre-2024, undated | DESIGNER TAILORING — an entirely new category. No orders, prices, dates, models or counts. Nothing in the mailbox. |
| Hugo Boss suits | 40 and 42 | UNKNOWN | RETAINED — boxed | pre-2024, undated | Same. "A lot of" Armani and Boss combined, per the owner. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt shirts | 16 collar | 14 | RETAINED — boxed | Sep–Oct 2024 | 13 XSlim + 1 non-XSlim. The collar-16 era, at roughly 180–190 lb. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt shirts | alpha LARGE | 2 | RETAINED — boxed | Oct 2024 | Alpha sizing, same burst. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt shirts | alpha MEDIUM | 4 | RETAINED — boxed | Jan + Apr 2025 | Linen. The "medium shirts" named by the owner. |
| Charles Tyrwhitt knitwear | alpha MEDIUM | 1 | RETAINED — boxed | Jan 2025 | Cream Merino Crew Neck sweater. |
| Suitsupply knitwear | alpha MEDIUM | 2 | RETAINED — boxed | Nov 2025 – Jan 2026 | Black Polo Cardigan M, Black Merino LS Polo Cardigan M. |
| Saks tuxedo | 50 (40) R | 1 | RETAINED — presumed | Mar 2023 | THE 40R JACKET already named in Why Things Changed. Sits exactly in the 40/42 band. Price never shown. |
| Banana Republic linen | alpha MEDIUM | 7 | GIVEN AWAY | Jul 2025 | THE ONLY EXCEPTION. Cheap enough not to be worth keeping — went to the father-in-law. |
*** ARMANI AND BOSS — A NEW CATEGORY, AND THE LARGEST UNCAPTURED GROUP IN THE PROJECT ***
The workbook has designer FOOTWEAR outstanding (Ferragamo, Prada, Louboutin, Hogan). It has never had designer
TAILORING at all. "A lot of" Armani and Boss suits is now the single biggest uncaptured group by likely value —
plausibly larger than the Sartoro spend, and entirely undocumented.
NOTHING IS KNOWN: no count, no prices, no dates, no models, no fabrics, no retailer, no photographs.
WHAT SIZE 40/42 TELLS US — and what it does NOT
Suitsupply cuts him on a BASE SIZE 36 jacket today. The boxed suits are 40 and 42.
That is 4 to 6 sizes above his current jacket, which is a very large gap and is consistent with a much heavier body.
BUT — DO NOT DATE THESE SUITS FROM THE SIZE.
At ~295 lb a 40 or 42 jacket would almost certainly have been too small. A man at that weight is typically well
above a 42. So these suits most likely date from PARTWAY DOWN the loss, not from the peak — the same window as
the Mar 2023 Saks 40R tuxedo, which the workbook already flags as a stale spec.
That gives a working hypothesis, NOT a finding: the 40/42 tailoring belongs to roughly 2022–2024.
It also implies there may be an EVEN LARGER tier above it — 46, 48, 50 — either boxed, disposed of, or never bought.
ASK: is 40/42 the largest tailoring he owns, or the smallest of several boxed tiers?
WHY THIS TAB CHANGES THE NUMBERS
Captured spend has always been presented as a proxy for the wardrobe. It is now clearly neither one thing nor the other:
- It EXCLUDES the Armani and Boss suits, which are owned and probably represent thousands of dollars.
- It INCLUDES garments bought for his wife, which were never his.
- It INCLUDES 7 Banana Republic pieces that are gone.
- It COUNTS as current a large boxed archive that cannot be worn.
Any future headline figure must state which of these it means. "Captured spend" is defensible; "the wardrobe" is not.
HOW TO CAPTURE THE ARCHIVE — email will not do it
These are pre-2024, likely in-person or department-store purchases, and the mailbox has already been proven
incomplete four separate times. Realistic routes, best first:
1. PHOTOGRAPH THE LABELS. The boxes are physically to hand. Brand, size, and often the model are on the label.
This is free, needs no search, and would capture more in an hour than any mailbox query.
2. Card statements — the same route already proposed for Bonobos, Ferragamo and Prada.
3. Nordstrom / Neiman Marcus / Saks order history. The Saks tuxedo and the Neiman Louboutins prove both are
real channels for him, and both are exactly where Armani and Boss are sold.
4. The 33.5 GB PST archive (May 2022 – Jan 2024) already in the project — it covers precisely the window the
40/42 hypothesis points at, and has never been searched for these brands.
*** UPDATE Aug 14, 2026 — THE 46s AND 48s EXISTED, AND THEY WERE DONATED ***
Owner, answering whether 40/42 was the largest tailoring or the smallest of several tiers:
"there are both 46s and 48s further back. i have donated all of these though."
READING: the 46s and 48s are DONATED. The 40s and 42s remain BOXED. He was answering the tier question, and the
40/42 suits were described one message earlier as still boxed up — so "all of these" = the 46s and 48s only.
A FOURTH DISPOSAL STATE — DONATED
RETURNED — sent back for refund (Archer 3194, Mauvais W30, Allen Edmonds 9.0)
GIVEN AWAY — to a named person (BR Jul 2025 linen -> father-in-law)
RETAINED — boxed against a future body change (Armani/Boss 40-42, all the too-big CT, Suitsupply M)
DONATED — to charity, recipient unknown (Armani/Boss 46 and 48)
DONATED differs from GIVEN AWAY in the way that matters here: there is no recipient to ask and no garment to
inspect. GIVEN AWAY items could in principle still be measured. DONATED ones are gone permanently.
| Group | Size | Count | Status | Era | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Armani / Hugo Boss suits | 48 | UNKNOWN | DONATED — unrecoverable | earliest tier | Largest tailoring recorded. No labels to photograph. Purchase records are the ONLY possible source. |
| Armani / Hugo Boss suits | 46 | UNKNOWN | DONATED — unrecoverable | second tier | Same. |
*** THE JACKET-SIZE LADDER — FIVE TIERS, THE LONGEST SIZE RECORD IN THE PROJECT ***
48 -> DONATED earliest, heaviest
46 -> DONATED
42 -> BOXED
40 -> BOXED (includes the Mar 2023 Saks 50(40)R tuxedo — the only DATED point on this ladder)
36 -> CURRENT Suitsupply base size, custom-fitted in store
That is a descent of TWELVE jacket sizes. It corroborates the ~295 lb -> ~150 lb arc independently of the scale
app, and it is the only evidence covering the 2021-2024 window at all — the app does not start until May 2024.
CAUTION: jacket sizing is not linear against weight and differs by maker (Armani and Boss are Italian/German
houses; Suitsupply base 36 is a pattern size, not an off-the-peg 36). Treat the ladder as ORDINAL — the sequence
is solid, the intervals are not.
THE HEDGE HAS A BOUNDARY, AND THAT IS THE INTERESTING PART
He did not keep everything. He donated the two largest tiers and kept the two nearest his current size.
That is not indiscriminate anxiety — it is a bounded insurance policy. He is covering a PLAUSIBLE regain (back to
40/42) and has written off an IMPLAUSIBLE one (back to 46/48). The boundary sits roughly one to two sizes above
where he is now, several sizes below where he started.
Worth recording because it predicts future behaviour: if the 40s and 42s are ever donated too, that is a signal
the hedge has closed — not a wardrobe event but a confidence one.
WHAT THIS DOES TO THE CAPTURE PLAN
The label-photography route now only works for the 40s and 42s. For the 46s and 48s there is NOTHING physical
left. Their only possible trace is a PURCHASE RECORD, which raises the value of two things already on the list:
1. The 33.5 GB PST ARCHIVE (May 2022 - Jan 2024) — covers the likely 40/42 window and possibly the 46/48 tail.
It is already in the project and has never been searched for Armani, Boss, Nordstrom, Neiman or Saks.
2. Card statements — the only route that reaches pre-2022.
ACCEPT THE LIKELY OUTCOME: the 46s and 48s may never be captured at all. Record them as KNOWN TO HAVE EXISTED,
count unknown, value unknown. An acknowledged hole is worth more than a fabricated estimate.
Wear Log
WEAR LOG — what was actually worn, and whether it worked
The workbook is almost entirely SPEC. This tab is OUTCOME. A garment that fits in real wear
outranks any measurement, because measurements are only a prediction of this.
| Date | Brand | Garment | Workbook ref | Verdict | What it confirms |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aug 13, 2026 | Charles Tyrwhitt | Blue Glen Plaid shirt (= Prince of Wales check) | One of: #37 Sky Blue/Green Luxury PoW (Jul 9 2025) · #40 Ocean Blue Non-Iron PoW (Sep 14 2025) · #42 Mid Blue Burlington Weave PoW (Sep 14 2025) · #43 Sky Blue/Pink Twill PoW (Sep 14 2025) · #54 Mid Blue Cotton Linen PoW (Feb 19 2026) | FITS AT REST — constrained in MOVEMENT | All five blue PoW candidates are 15 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Button Cuff / EXTRA SLIM, so whichever it was, the CT spec is confirmed CORRECT AT REST. Owner detail (Aug 13, 2026): standing relaxed, arms at sides or in front, the shirt does NOT pull at all. The third button pulls ONLY on leaning back in a chair, reaching arms around the back, or drawing the elbows together behind the back - and it starts to pull ALMOST IMMEDIATELY on leaving the relaxed stance, with some skin visible at the placket gap. Owner accepts it; his wife prefers it that tight. He would choose a different shirt under a looser, more comfortable suit. |
| Aug 13, 2026 | Sartoro | Dark navy blue cotton pants | #25 — order 6692, Navy Blue Stretch Pants, fabric 2609 - Navy Blue Stretch, $139 | FITS — worked fine | Identified by elimination: the only other navy Sartoro trouser is #15 Navy Sharkskin (order 6374), and sharkskin is a worsted WOOL weave, not cotton. The "Stretch" line (Royal Blue, Aqua, Sapphire, Midnight Black, Navy, Light Grey, Charcoal, Eminence Purple, Diamantia Teal) is the cotton-stretch family at $139-150. ORDER 6692 IS AFTER 6297 — the point at which Sartoro trousers were "chiselled in stone". This is the first real-wear confirmation that the LOCKED trouser spec is correct. |
| Aug 13, 2026 | Idrese | Red shoes — Derby, very heavy burnishing | Most likely order 4423 (Derby, Jul 3 2025, $335) — confirmed RED with very heavy burnishing. The only other red Idrese pair is a Jumper Boot (lace-up boot, order 4647), which the owner would have called a boot rather than a shoe. | FITS — worked fine | Confirms US 9 works in real wear. Idrese colour record is now COMPLETE for all seven pairs (owner-supplied Aug 13, 2026) — the brand had zero specification of any kind on any confirmation email. Extends the documented red/purple thread that runs through Thomas Bird Plum and Aubergine, Carmina and Thomas Bird oxblood, CT lilac and purple, Hangrr Deep Purple and Fuji Purple, and Sartoro Eminence. |
| Aug 14, 2026 | Proper Cloth | Black Reda Merino Wool shirt (PCF2333) | AMBIGUOUS — one of AC1882039 (Jul 26 2025) or AC2024242 (Mar 26 2026). Same fabric, same product code, two builds. | FITS — owner: "this one fits just fine" | First POSITIVE fit verdict on a Proper Cloth garment. Which order it is decides whether the Chest Fwd 1in posture correction is validated. |
WHY THIS TAB MATTERS
• Every other fit conclusion in this workbook is inferred from published measurements, and several of those measurements have already proved unreliable (Suitsupply unit inconsistency; Suitsupply account-page dates; Proper Cloth woven-vs-knit; Hogan UK-vs-US). A wear verdict has none of those failure modes.
• Aug 13, 2026 is the first entry. Three brands, three verdicts, all positive. Worth continuing — a handful of these would settle more open questions than any further email archaeology.
• Highest-value future entries, because each would close a standing open item:
1. The two Suitsupply Lyocell Silk shirts — owner predicts fine alone, too full under a suit. Would also settle the Black Lapel shirt shoulder question by showing where the seam lands.
2. The Hogan H600 loafers — already reported too big, US 10. Confirms the UK-scale correction.
3. The two Suitsupply size M polo cardigans and the Black Merino M — suspected too big, never confirmed.
4. Any Sartoro jacket still on the 18-inch shoulder — nine of them are.
OPEN QUESTIONS FROM THIS ENTRY
• WHICH blue Prince of Wales shirt? If it was the Mid Blue Cotton Linen (#54, order wus11370463), that order's unresolved return is partly answered.
• WHICH Idrese pair is the red/burgundy one? Naming the style would attach the first colour to a specific order and begin filling the brand's empty specification.
CHEST VOLUME BRACKET - established Aug 13, 2026 (the first one this workbook has had)
- TIGHT BOUND: Charles Tyrwhitt Extra Slim, 15 collar. One button pulls at the chest. Wearable, accepted, but at the limit.
- WORKING MIDDLE: Proper Cloth Mar 2026 woven - chest 21.20 flat = approx 42.4 in circumference. The current made-to-measure standard, no complaint on record.
- LOOSE BOUND: Suitsupply shirt profile - chest adjusted +2.0 to 113 cm = approx 44.5 in circumference, on a profile named "Standard fit". Owner predicts fine alone, too full under a suit. UNVERIFIED pending try-on.
- Usable range is therefore roughly 42-44 in circumference, with CT sitting just below 42.4 and Suitsupply above it. Anything ordered outside that bracket is a known risk.
THE SNUG PREFERENCE HAS AN EXTERNAL DRIVER - this is new
- "Why Things Changed" lists a deliberate loose-to-snug preference migration (Jan 2025 to present) as one of three forces behind every fit anomaly, but treats it as unexplained personal taste.
- Owner states his WIFE prefers the tighter fit. That is a second party influencing the spec, which means the migration is unlikely to reverse and may well continue. Practical consequence: when torn between two sizes, the smaller has been the right call for 18 months and there is now a standing reason why.
A GAP IS NOW VISIBLE IN THE SHIRT WARDROBE
- For a TAILORED suit: CT Extra Slim works, and the tightness is invisible under a fitted jacket.
- For a LOOSER, more comfortable suit: owner says he would want a different shirt. Nothing in the workbook is currently designated for that role.
- The two Suitsupply Lyocell Silk shirts may be exactly that garment. They are the fullest-cut shirts owned, they are soft lyocell, and comfort is their stated purpose. If the try-on confirms they are too full under a fitted suit but fine alone, they are NOT a failure - they are the answer to this gap.
WHAT THE SINGLE-BUTTON PULL RULES OUT
- Only the third button pulls. If the shoulders or yoke were wrong, the pull would show at the shoulder seam or across the upper back instead. If the shirt were globally too small, several buttons would pull, not one.
- So this is a localised chest-circumference issue on an otherwise correct pattern. It does NOT undermine the Extra Slim spec, and it does NOT bear on the shoulder-width question that the Suitsupply shirt profile raised.
CORRECTION LOGGED Aug 13, 2026 - EARLIER DIAGNOSIS IN THIS TAB WAS WRONG
- An earlier pass recorded this as a "chest-girth-limited fit" and used it to set the TIGHT BOUND of a chest-circumference bracket. That was wrong and has been withdrawn.
- The refined owner report is decisive: at rest, arms down or forward, THERE IS NO PULL AT ALL. A garment whose chest circumference is genuinely too small pulls while standing still. This one does not.
- Therefore chest circumference AT REST is adequate. Do NOT widen the chest on any future CT or MTM order on the strength of this report - doing so would make the shirt sloppy at rest to solve a problem that is not girth.
WHAT IT ACTUALLY INDICATES: RANGE OF MOTION, NOT SIZE
- Every movement that triggers the pull - leaning back, reaching around the back, drawing the elbows together behind - expands the UPPER BACK across the shoulder blades (scapular protraction). Tension travels around the body and opens the front placket. The symptom shows at the front; the cause is behind.
- "Starts to pull almost immediately" on leaving the relaxed stance is the signature of restricted articulation, not of a small garment. The likely contributors are back / scapular width and armhole geometry.
- Counter-intuitive but well established in tailoring: a HIGHER, SMALLER armhole gives MORE freedom, because the sleeve pivots without dragging the shirt body. A low or oversized armhole drags the whole front on every arm movement. Off-the-peg Extra Slim cuts are commonly trim across the back and low in the scye - exactly this profile.
- This is an OFF-THE-PEG limitation. Charles Tyrwhitt sells a fixed pattern; back width and armhole are not adjustable. It is not a CT defect and not a sizing error.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE CHEST BRACKET - NOW WEAKER THAN STATED
- The bracket recorded above rested on CT marking the tight end. It no longer does: CT chest at rest is adequate, so it marks a point INSIDE the usable range, not its lower bound.
- What survives: Proper Cloth Mar 2026 at approx 42.4 in circumference is a confirmed working middle, and the Suitsupply shirt profile at approx 44.5 in is the untested loose end. The LOWER bound is genuinely unknown - no garment on record has failed for being too narrow in the chest.
WHERE THIS IS ACTIONABLE - PROPER CLOTH, NOT CHARLES TYRWHITT
- Proper Cloth is made to measure and already applies a posture correction ("Chest Posture: Chest Fwd 1 in", added Mar 2026). Back width, yoke and armhole are adjustable there in a way CT cannot be.
- Recommended next Proper Cloth order: hold collar, chest and midsection AS IS - they are working - and ask only for additional room across the upper back / shoulder blades, with a higher armhole if offered. Change one variable.
- Do NOT apply this to the Suitsupply shirt profile. Those shirts are already the fullest cut owned (chest +2.0 to 113 cm) and are a different garment class serving a different purpose.
THIS STRENGTHENS THE LYOCELL SHIRT CASE
- The wardrobe gap identified earlier is now sharper. The need is not merely "a looser shirt" but a shirt that permits unrestricted movement over a long day, or under a softer suit.
- The two Suitsupply Lyocell Silk shirts are the fullest-cut shirts owned, in a soft fabric, bought for comfort. On this evidence they are more likely to fill that role well than to be a mistake. Try them on with the movement test, not just the mirror test: lean back, reach around the back, draw the elbows together.
METHOD NOTE - WORTH REPEATING ON EVERY FUTURE ENTRY
- "Does it fit?" produced a wrong diagnosis. "Does it pull at rest, and what movement makes it pull?" produced the right one. Static fit and dynamic fit are separate measurements and a garment can pass one and fail the other.
- Ask both for every wear-log entry from here on.
IDRESE COLOUR / MATERIAL LOG
- Aug 13, 2026: order 4652 Octavian Buckle Boot confirmed TAN / NATURAL, upper LINEN. Owner-supplied.
- Aug 13, 2026: one pair worn, RED / BURGUNDY, fits fine. Order not yet matched - and now narrowed to five candidates, since 4652 is the tan linen pair.
- Five of seven Idrese pairs remain with no colour and no material recorded. Naming them is free and would complete the only brand in the workbook with a wholly empty specification.
SUITSUPPLY LYOCELL SILK SHIRTS — OWNER VERDICT, Aug 13 2026. PREDICTION CONFIRMED.
- Owner assessment for a re-order: take in AT LEAST 0.5 in across the SHOULDERS; a GOOD 1 in at the WAIST; MAYBE 1 in across the CHEST; and shorten the SLEEVES by a FULL 1 to 1.5 in.
- Every single alteration is a REDUCTION. The earlier owner prediction (fine alone, too full under a suit) is confirmed, and is in fact understated: the shirts are too full in four dimensions at once, and too long in the sleeve.
THE PLANO SHIRT FITTING ADDED VOLUME THAT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN ADDED
- The 2025 Tailored Fit profile made SIX adjustments and FOUR of them were increases: collar +1.5, chest +2.0, cuff width left +2.0, shoulder width +0.5. The only reductions were the two shoulder-height drops.
- The owner now wants the chest and shoulder increases REVERSED and then some. The fitter did not merely mis-measure a dimension; the fitting was systematically generous in the same direction across the whole garment.
CONSEQUENCE: "SUITSUPPLY IS THE REFERENCE" APPLIES TO SUITS, NOT SHIRTS
- The workbook treats Suitsupply as the locked master reference on the strength of the owner statement "Suit supply is perfect. I would order 20 more from them and not change a thing." That statement was about SUITS - jacket, trousers, waistcoat - and it still stands.
- The SHIRT profile from the same store is a different matter and is NOT reference-grade. Same brand, same Plano store, opposite outcome. Do not let the suit verdict vouch for the shirt profile.
TWO OF THE FOUR PROBLEMS ARE INVISIBLE IN THE PROFILE
- The Size Passport shirt block publishes six fields: collar around, chest width, cuff width left, shoulder width, and the two shoulder heights. It does NOT publish a WAIST / midsection figure or a SLEEVE LENGTH.
- Yet waist and sleeve length are two of the four things the owner wants changed - and sleeve length is the largest single error at 1 to 1.5 in. The fitting appears never to have adjusted sleeve length at all; the shirt was left at base size 15.
- PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCE: the published profile could not have predicted this failure. Two of four faults sit in fields Suitsupply does not expose. Any future reliance on that profile must account for the blind spot.
*** FIRST OUTFIT-PAIRING RECORD IN THE PROJECT — Aug 14, 2026 ***
Owner: "My Kato I usually wear with boots. My Thursday boots or my Allen Edmonds boots. Probably with my Idrese
boots this fall and winter."
- Until now this workbook has held GARMENTS and FOOTWEAR as separate registers with no link between them. This
is the first recorded statement of what gets worn WITH what. Worth extending — pairings explain choices that
measurements alone cannot.
THE KATO BOOT ROTATION — every pair identified in the register
| Brand | Boot | Size | Record |
|---|---|---|---|
| Thursday Boot Co. | not specified | 9 (boots; 10 in their sneakers) | *** NO PURCHASE RECORD ANYWHERE. Appears only in the owner-supplied footwear size register. No order, no date, no price, no model, no colour. A brand in active rotation with a completely empty file. *** |
| Allen Edmonds | Landon Cap-toe Boot — Carbon Grey | 9 B NARROW | Order 005010789907, Dec 13, 2022 (PST archive). Price never shown. THE ONLY NON-D WIDTH IN THE ENTIRE WORKBOOK. |
| Idrese | Jumper Boot — RED, very heavy burnishing | US 9 | Order 4647, Feb 1, 2026, $351 |
| Idrese | Jumper Boot — NAVY, very heavy burnishing | US 9 | Order 4647, Feb 1, 2026, $351 |
| Idrese | Octavian Buckle Boot — BLACK | US 9 | Order 4652, Feb 4, 2026, $375 |
- The Idrese boots are all NEW — bought Feb 2026 and stated as "probably" for the coming fall and winter. So
they are largely UNWORN. Any fit verdict on them is still outstanding, and Idrese is the brand with the
thinnest spec record in the workbook (no last, sole or leather recorded on any of seven pairs).
- Thursday and Allen Edmonds are the ESTABLISHED pairing; Idrese is the intended rotation-in.
*** THIS MAY RESOLVE THE KATO LEG-OPENING DISCREPANCY ***
- Stated leg-opening preference: 13.5 in, acceptable to 14-14.25, "15 looks like bell bottoms."
- Kato Pen Slim size 29 leg opening: 6.5 in flat = 13 IN CIRCUMFERENCE. That is 0.5 in NARROWER than his stated
preference — yet these are the jeans he says he LOVES.
- LIKELY EXPLANATION: the 13.5 in figure is his DRESS-SHOE number. Over a BOOT, a narrower opening is correct —
it has to sit cleanly on the boot rather than flare over it. And he CUFFS the Kato (that is how the bordeaux
weft is displayed), which raises the hem to the boot shaft.
- SO LEG-OPENING PREFERENCE IS PROBABLY FOOTWEAR-DEPENDENT, not a single number:
Dress trousers over dress shoes — 13.5 to 14.25 in
Cuffed jeans over boots — 13 in works, proven by a pair he loves
- STATUS: HYPOTHESIS, NOT VERIFIED. It is consistent with every figure on record but he has not said it. Ask
directly before writing a single leg-opening number into any future trouser spec.
- IT ALSO REFRAMES HIS OWN REASONING. He explained rejecting 15 in by citing "my size 9 or 10 shoes and skinny
legs" — a SHOE reference. Boots carry more visual mass than a dress shoe, which changes the balance again.
OPEN ITEM RAISED BY THIS ENTRY
THURSDAY BOOT CO. HAS NO FILE. He wears them regularly with the jeans that dominate his current rotation, and
the workbook holds nothing but a size. Worth an account-page export — the same route that just produced three
Naked & Famous orders the mailbox could not.
AUG 14, 2026 — THE BLACK PROPER CLOTH MERINO. WHICH SHIRT IS IT?
Owner wore "the black proper cloth merino shirt" and reports it fits just fine. There are TWO of them, same
Reda black merino, same style code PCF2333, built eight months apart to different specs:
AC1882039 Jul 26, 2025 collar 15.5 · chest 22.0 · yoke 17.6 · posture STANDARD · $225 ($262.41 landed)
AC2024242 Mar 26, 2026 collar 15.4 · chest 21.2 · yoke 17.1 · posture CHEST FWD 1in · $255 ($295 landed)
WHY IT MATTERS WHICH ONE
IF IT IS AC2024242 (Mar 2026): the Chest Fwd 1in posture correction is VALIDATED in real wear. That is the only
posture correction in the project and it has never been confirmed. It would also confirm the tightest woven
Proper Cloth ever cut for him — chest 21.2, yoke 17.1 — as comfortable, which sets the target for future shirts.
IF IT IS AC1882039 (Jul 2025): a standard-posture 22.0 chest works, and the Mar 2026 tightening plus posture
change was preference-driven rather than corrective. Different conclusion entirely.
*** THE CONTRAST THAT MAKES THIS VALUABLE ***
The Charles Tyrwhitt Blue PoW shirt (Aug 13, 2026) FAILED dynamically — fits at rest, pulls on reaching and
leaning. Diagnosis was back width and armhole, not chest girth.
EITHER Proper Cloth black merino is CUT CLOSER IN THE CHEST than that Tyrwhitt shirt, and it passes.
That is strong support for the standing conclusion that the Tyrwhitt problem is RANGE OF MOTION, not girth —
and it suggests Proper Cloth is cutting the armhole and back better than Charles Tyrwhitt at a tighter chest.
CAVEAT: merino is a KNIT-adjacent wool with more give than CT cotton poplin/twill. Some of the pass may be the
fabric, not the pattern. The Feb 2025 knit pique already proved fabric class changes what the numbers mean.
DO NOT fold this into the woven ladder as if it settles the CT question outright.
HOW TO RESOLVE IT — ask the owner
1. Does he own BOTH black merino shirts, or was one of them replaced/given away?
2. Proper Cloth sews an order reference into the shirt. Check the inside label against AC1882039 / AC2024242.
3. Failing that: the Mar 2026 shirt has a 15.4 collar against 15.5, and a visibly closer chest and shoulder.
4. THEN ASK THE DYNAMIC QUESTION, not just "does it fit": does it pull when reaching forward, leaning back, or
drawing the elbows together? That is the question that produced the right Tyrwhitt diagnosis. "Fits just fine"
is a static verdict until the movement test is applied.
*** SIZE-M KNITWEAR — RESOLVED. AND A VARIABLE THIS WORKBOOK HAS NEVER RECORDED. Owner, Aug 16, 2026. ***
Owner: "i wear those M suit supply knits. and I also wear the small ones. depends on how bloated I feel on a given day. the small is snug, but not skin tight. the medium is loose, but not billowy."
1. THE SUSPICION IS RETIRED. This tab has carried "the two Suitsupply size M polo cardigans and the Black Merino M — suspected too big, never confirmed" as an open item. They are NOT too big. They are in active rotation. Same for the CT Cream Merino M sweater pending its own check.
*** 2. NEW VARIABLE — DAY-TO-DAY ABDOMINAL FLUCTUATION ***
BLOATING, FLUCTUATION AND DAY-TO-DAY VARIATION APPEAR NOWHERE ELSE IN THIS WORKBOOK. Searched Aug 16, 2026 — zero hits across all 45 tabs.
Every sizing conclusion in this project has silently assumed a STABLE BODY that moves only slowly, through the documented 30 lb weight loss. That assumption is now known to be incomplete.
The owner does not have one waist measurement. He has a daily range, and he dresses to it.
*** 3. NEW PRINCIPLE — FOR STRETCH KNITWEAR THE ANSWER IS A RANGE, NOT A POINT ***
He is not stuck between two sizes and he has not failed to converge. HE HOLDS BOTH RUNGS ON PURPOSE and selects by day:
SMALL = snug, but not skin tight -> the lower-fluctuation days
MEDIUM = loose, but not billowy -> the higher-fluctuation days
This is a legitimate strategy, not indecision. Knit stretches and recovers; it can absorb a range that a woven cannot.
CONSEQUENCE: a knit garment that is one size loose is NOT a mistake and must never be written off on that basis alone. This workbook has been one step from writing off four such garments.
*** 4. HE HAS SUPPLIED THE ACCEPTANCE VOCABULARY — USE IT ***
TOO TIGHT threshold = "SKIN TIGHT". Small is acceptable because it stops short of it.
TOO LOOSE threshold = "BILLOWY". Medium is acceptable because it stops short of it.
THIS EXPLAINS THE JULY 2025 SPLIT DECISION PRECISELY. Same day, both size M: the Sunspel JERSEY KNIT was kept, and the seven BR Factory RELAXED WOVEN LINEN pieces were given away. Loose knit drapes; loose relaxed linen billows. The rejection threshold was crossed by one and not the other, at the same nominal size.
"Not billowy" is a more precise and more useful criterion than "not too big", and it is now the recorded standard for loose-side acceptance.
*** 5. THIS IS KNIT-ONLY. DO NOT EXTEND IT. ***
A woven shirt or a tailored jacket cannot absorb daily fluctuation — it has no recovery. The two-size strategy applies to STRETCH KNITWEAR and nothing else.
DO NOT apply it to the MTM shirt spec, to trousers, or to tailoring. Those remain single-point specs.
*** 6. BUT IT RAISES A REAL QUESTION ABOUT THE MTM SPEC ***
If the abdomen genuinely varies day to day, then every MTM woven garment in this workbook was measured and specified in ONE body state — and nobody has ever recorded WHICH.
The settled shirt spec puts midsection at 17.5 flat / 35.0 circ. Was that taken on a low day or a high day? The answer changes whether that garment is comfortable most days or only some.
This may already be visible in the data. The StudioSuits trouser profile ran waist 31.5 unchanged across nine months while HIP moved 36 -> 36 -> 38 -> 37 and THIGH moved 22 -> 22.5 -> 23.25 -> 22. A waist pinned while the surrounding measurements wander is what iterative correction against a MOVING BODY looks like.
WORTH ASKING DIRECTLY: is the fluctuation mostly abdominal, and roughly how many inches at the waist between a low day and a high day? That single number would tell us how much ease a woven needs to be comfortable across the range rather than on one day.
*** 7. QUALIFIES A RULE ALREADY ON THIS TAB ***
This tab records: "when torn between two sizes, take the tighter" — driven by the documented preference migration and the wife's preference.
THAT RULE HOLDS FOR A SINGLE PURCHASE DECISION IN A WOVEN. It does NOT mean disposing of the looser knit. In knitwear the right move is to OWN BOTH, and the tab should not be read as licence to cull the M knits.
FLUCTUATION QUANTIFIED, Aug 16 2026: around the BELLY BUTTON, 1.5 to 2 in of circumference. Full analysis on the MTM SPEC SHEET.
A 1.5-2 in swing is roughly ONE ALPHA SIZE. The S/M knitwear rotation is not indecision — his body crosses a size boundary most weeks and he owns both rungs to meet it.
The trouser wear point (top of the hip bones) sits about 2 in BELOW the navel, OUTSIDE the swing. That is why trouser waists in this workbook never needed correcting while everything around them did.
Alterations & Fit History
Alterations & Fit History — what changed AFTER delivery
Every other tab records what was ORDERED. This one records what had to be CHANGED, and the running correction of the fit profile across brands. Entries marked 'Owner-reported' came from Jesse directly, not from a screen — shaded orange where the workbook holds no supporting record, green where the account data corroborates it.
| # | Date / period | Brand | Garment(s) affected | What changed | Direction & amount | Source | Corroborating record in this workbook |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | On or before Nov 7, 2025 | Suitsupply | n/a — the fitting itself | In-store fitting at the Plano store. Became the reference fit for every other brand. | Shoulder width 43.5 cm = 17.13 in (−0.5 off base 36) | Owner-reported + account data | Size Passport: Plano jacket / trousers / waistcoat profiles. NOTE — this fitting was previously dated '~Dec 2025' in this workbook, inferred from the first Suitsupply delivery (Dec 19, 2025). Jesse states the Black Lapel patterns were revised AFTER this fitting, and those are dated Nov 7, 2025 — so the fitting is on or before Nov 7, 2025. |
| 2 | Nov 7, 2025 | Black Lapel | Jacket pattern; Pants pattern; Vest pattern | Patterns rebuilt from the Suitsupply measurements. Shoulder point to point cut from 18 in to 17.25 in. | Shoulders 18.00 → 17.25 in (−0.75 in) | Account data + owner-reported | Size Passport: BL Jacket and Vest read 17.25 in and are named 'from SS measurements', dated Nov 7, 2025. The two patterns NOT rebuilt — Shirt (Jul 1, 2025) and Overcoat (May 7, 2025) — both still read 18 in. That split is the direct evidence of the change. |
| 3 | (date not shown) | Oliver Wicks | Light Grey Pick & Pick jacket | Jacket length let out by a tailor after delivery. The queued +5 cm change on the account is that alteration, recorded so the NEXT order is cut correctly. | Length +5 cm = 1.97 in ('almost 2 inches') | Owner-reported (explains account data) | Size Passport: OW jacket length 72.4 cm (28.50 in) with '+5 cm PENDING for next order'. 5 cm converts to 1.969 in — matches the reported alteration almost exactly. This reclassifies the pending change from a guess to a measured result. |
| 4 | (date not shown) | Oliver Wicks | Light Grey Pick & Pick jacket | Shoulder narrowed on the account after the Suitsupply fitting. NOT YET APPLIED to any garment. | Shoulders 45.4 → 44.4 cm (17.87 → 17.48 in) | Account data + owner-reported | Size Passport: OW shoulders 45.4 cm with '−1 cm PENDING'. Even after the change OW sits at 17.48 in — still about 0.25 in wider than the 17.25 in Black Lapel now uses and the 17.13 in Suitsupply cuts to. |
| 5 | Feb 18, 2026 | Suitsupply | Trousers pattern (all later orders) | Trousers shortened — they ran a touch long. | Inside leg −6.0 → −7.0 (1 cm shorter, both legs) | Account data + owner-reported | Size Passport: profile literally named 'shortened20260218', created online the same day the Dark Blue Bird's eye suit (order 04119572340) was delivered. |
| 6 | Early orders — dates TBD | Sartoro | SEVERAL early jackets — SPECIFIC GARMENTS TBD | Let out around the waist by a tailor after delivery. | Amount TBD | Owner-reported — NO record in workbook | NOTHING in this workbook records this. Sartoro publishes no measurements, and every Sartoro line item still cites Fit_Profile Jan 28, 2025 unchanged — including order #7625 confirmed Mar 16, 2026, four months AFTER the Suitsupply fitting. Needs: which jackets, and how much. |
| 7 | May 9, 2026 order | Hangrr | Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer | Arms far too tight as delivered. NOT yet altered — reported, not fixed. | Bicep on file is 12.3 in | Owner-reported | Size Passport: Hangrr bicep 12.3 in vs Black Lapel 15.25 in and Oliver Wicks 14.57 in — about 3 in narrower. The Deep Purple Wool jacket from the SAME profile fits fine, so the profile alone does not explain it: that jacket is MODERN-SLIM, the velvet blazer is SLIM, and velvet has far less give than wool. Both factors point the same direction. |
| 8 | Jun 2025 – Jul 2026 | Thomas Bird | All three belts (Navy Blue suede, Plum, Aubergine) | Every belt cut to length and re-buckled with Jesse's own hardware after delivery. | Length cut down; stock buckle replaced | Owner-reported | Footwear & Accessories tab. This makes belt SIZE meaningless as fit data — 40" and 38" were both bought as raw stock, not as waist measurements. It also means no Thomas Bird belt in this inventory is in its as-delivered state. |
SHOULDER — the through-line, every brand converted to inches
| Brand / pattern | As published | Inches | Era | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Black Lapel — Overcoat Pattern | 18 in | 18 | May 7, 2025 | PRE-Suitsupply — never rebuilt |
| Black Lapel — Shirt Pattern | 18 in | 18 | Jul 1, 2025 | PRE-Suitsupply — never rebuilt |
| Oliver Wicks — jacket, as delivered | 45.4 cm | 17.87 | as built | PRE-Suitsupply |
| Oliver Wicks — jacket, queued change | 44.4 cm | 17.48 | pending | NOT YET APPLIED to any garment |
| Black Lapel — Jacket Pattern | 17.25 in | 17.25 | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — rebuilt from SS |
| Black Lapel — Vest Pattern | 17.25 in | 17.25 | Nov 7, 2025 | CURRENT — rebuilt from SS |
| Suitsupply — jacket shoulder width | 43.5 cm (−0.5 off base 36) | 17.13 | Plano fitting | CURRENT — the reference fit |
| Sartoro — all 42 garments | NOT PUBLISHED | Jan 28, 2025 | UNKNOWN — the blind spot |
• The spread from the widest shoulder still on file (18.00 in, Black Lapel Overcoat) to the reference fit (17.13 in, Suitsupply) is 0.87 in — about 2.2 cm. That is a large amount across the shoulder and explains why the Suitsupply jackets read as the ones that fit.
• Black Lapel is HALF corrected. Jacket and Vest were rebuilt to 17.25 in on Nov 7, 2025; Shirt and Overcoat were left at 18 in. Anything ordered from those two patterns will come out on the old, wide shoulder.
• Oliver Wicks is NOT corrected yet — the −1 cm is queued, not applied, and even applied it lands at 17.48 in rather than ~17.2.
• Sartoro cannot be checked at all. 42 garments — the largest block in the wardrobe — were cut to an unpublished profile dated Jan 28, 2025, and every line item through Mar 2026 still cites that same profile. If those measurements were ever revised, no captured screen shows it.
• Alterations are the missing layer in this workbook generally: it records what was ordered, not what a tailor had to change afterwards. This tab is the start of that record.
BICEP — corrected analysis (BODY vs GARMENT measurements are not comparable)
CORRECTION: an earlier version of this tab compared Hangrr's 12.3 in bicep directly against Black Lapel and Oliver Wicks and called it a ~3 in outlier. That was wrong. Hangrr asks for BODY measurements; the others publish GARMENT or pattern values, which include ease. Once typed correctly, Hangrr's 12.3 in is consistent, not anomalous.
| Brand | Measurement basis | Bicep as published | Inches | Comparable to Hangrr body? |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Hangrr | BODY — screen says 'Enter your complete sizing profile' with body-measuring instructions ('measure around the largest part of the chest') | 12.3 in | 12.3 | — (this is the baseline) |
| Oliver Wicks | GARMENT — explicitly finished-garment measurements including ease | 37 cm | 14.57 | NO — includes ease. Implied ease over Hangrr body: +2.27 in |
| Oliver Wicks (queued) | GARMENT — pending +1.5 cm, not yet applied | 38.5 cm | 15.16 | NO — would make ease +2.86 in |
| Black Lapel | PATTERN — derived values; the site's own FAQ asks 'Why don't my Patterns match the numbers I entered in my survey?' | 15.25 in | 15.25 | NO — pattern value. Sits +2.95 in over Hangrr body |
| Suitsupply | GARMENT — adjustments off a base pattern size; no bicep figure published | not published | n/a | |
| Sartoro | NOT PUBLISHED | — | unknown — the blind spot |
EASE OBSERVED IN JESSE'S OWN GARMENTS — Oliver Wicks finished-garment minus Hangrr body
Oliver Wicks is the only brand that states outright that its numbers are finished garment. Subtracting the Hangrr body profile from it gives a real, self-derived ease profile — no industry rules of thumb involved.
| Measurement | Oliver Wicks (garment, in) | Hangrr (body, in) | Ease (garment − body) | Reads as |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Chest | 41.89 | 38 | 3.89 | Coherent jacket chest ease |
| Waist | 36.3 | 32.75 | 3.55 | Coherent |
| Bicep | 14.57 | 12.3 | 2.27 | Coherent — and this is the number that matters |
| Shoulder | 17.87 | 17.2 | 0.67 | Near-zero, as expected at the shoulder |
| Sleeve length | 23.74 | 24.4 | -0.66 | Negative — a length, not a circumference; the two brands measure from different points |
• WHAT THIS ACTUALLY SHOWS: Hangrr's 12.3 in body bicep and Oliver Wicks' 14.57 in garment bicep are the same arm, measured two different ways, 2.27 in apart. That ease sits in line with the chest (+3.89) and waist (+3.55) eases from the same garment. Hangrr's number is not the problem.
• SO WHY ARE THE VELVET BLAZER'S ARMS TOO SMALL? Not the body measurement — how much ease Hangrr's SLIM fit adds on top of it. The controlled comparison is inside Hangrr itself: the SAME 12.3 in profile produced the Deep Purple Wool jacket, which fits, in MODERN-SLIM; and the Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer, which does not, in SLIM. Fit model and fabric are the only two variables that changed, and velvet has almost no give.
• WHAT TO DO INSTEAD OF RE-MEASURING: lay a tape across the sleeve of the Deep Purple Wool jacket at the bicep, double it, and do the same on the velvet blazer. The gap between those two finished-sleeve numbers is the amount of ease Hangrr's SLIM fit removed — the one figure that would settle this, and it is measurable at home in two minutes.
• THE SHOULDER COMPARISON ELSEWHERE ON THIS TAB STILL HOLDS. Observed shoulder ease is only +0.67 in, so body and garment shoulder figures ARE roughly comparable, unlike bicep or chest. Suitsupply 17.13 (garment), Hangrr 17.20 (body) and Black Lapel 17.25 (pattern) genuinely do agree.
• GENERAL RULE FOR THIS WORKBOOK: never compare a Hangrr number to another brand's number without converting for ease first. Hangrr is the only brand here that stores BODY measurements.
HANGRR FIT MODEL — it changed between the two orders
Verified from the order screens: both March 17 items are MODERN-SLIM; all May 9 items are SLIM. The split is by ORDER, not by garment — whatever fit was applied changed between the two.
| Order | Order date | Garment | Fit field | Construction label | Fits? |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| HNG1731758 | Mar 17, 2026 | Deep Purple Wool Suit — Jacket | MODERN-SLIM | Canvas: CLASSIC (no 'STRUCTURED' label on screen) | YES — owner-reported fits fine |
| HNG1731758 | Mar 17, 2026 | Deep Purple Wool Suit — Trousers | MODERN-SLIM | Canvas: CLASSIC | Not reported |
| HNG1733063 | May 9, 2026 | Deep Purple Wool Vest | SLIM | STRUCTURED · Construction: CLASSIC | NOT REPORTED — worth checking |
| HNG1733063 | May 9, 2026 | Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer | SLIM | STRUCTURED · Construction: CLASSIC | NO — arms far too tight |
• The Deep Purple Wool VEST is SLIM while the jacket and trousers it belongs to are MODERN-SLIM. That three-piece is not internally consistent in fit model.
• The vest and the velvet blazer are the only two SLIM garments, they were bought on the SAME order, and one of them is confirmed too tight. The vest has not been reported on either way — check it before assuming it is fine.
• The field label also differs: the March order says 'Canvas: CLASSIC'; the May order says 'Construction: CLASSIC' and adds a 'STRUCTURED' label. Whether that reflects a real construction change or just a site relabel between March and May is unverified.
• BEFORE THE NEXT HANGRR ORDER: check what fit model is currently saved as the default. If it is SLIM, that is the setting that produced the blazer that does not fit.
HANGRR FIT LADDERS — SUITS AND SEPARATES USE DIFFERENT SCALES
Verified from the Hangrr configurator, Aug 12 2026 (IMG_4383 suit, IMG_4384 blazer). A suit offers TWO fit options; a blazer/separate offers FOUR. The words do not carry across: 'Modern Slim' on a suit is not the same option as 'Slim' on a blazer.
| Product type | # of fit options | Ladder, tightest → loosest | What Jesse ordered | Result |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| SUIT (jacket + trousers) | 2 | 1. Modern Slim → 2. Relaxed Tailored | MODERN SLIM — the TIGHTER of the two | Fits fine (owner-reported) |
| BLAZER / separate | 4 | 1. Skinny (Body Hugging) → 2. Slim (Structured) → 3. Regular (Less Nipped) → 4. Comfort (Relaxed) | SLIM — 2nd tightest of four | Arms far too tight (owner-reported) |
• THE SUIT AND THE BLAZER WERE NEVER ON THE SAME SCALE. The suit ladder has two rungs and the blazer ladder has four. Ordering 'Modern Slim' on a suit and 'Slim' on a blazer is not ordering the same cut — the shared word is coincidence, not equivalence.
• THE FIX IS AVAILABLE, AND ONLY ON THE BLAZER SIDE. Above Slim the blazer ladder offers REGULAR (Less Nipped) and COMFORT (Relaxed) — two looser rungs that simply do not exist on the suit configurator. For a non-stretch fabric like velvet, Regular is the obvious next try.
• Hangrr's own suit copy explains: Modern Slim is 'fitted tightly to your body... generally recommended for a more athletic body type'; the looser option 'gives you more room to layer and relax'. So the suit that FITS was ordered on the tight setting — which suggests the tight end of the SUIT ladder is roughly right, and the tight end of the BLAZER ladder is not.
• NAMING BUG ON HANGRR'S OWN PAGE: the suit fit card is labelled 'Relaxed Tailored' while the explanatory text beneath it calls the same option 'Relaxed Modern'. Two names, one option.
• The option sets differ too, not just the fit ladder. Suit sidebar: FIT, CANVAS, LAPEL, BUTTONS, POCKETS, VENTS, PANTS, ADDONS, MONOGRAM, SUSTAINABLE, NOTES. Blazer sidebar: FIT, CANVAS, LINING, LAPELS, BUTTON, VENTS, POCKET, ADVANCED, MONOGRAM, COMMENT. Blazers expose LINING; suits expose PANTS, ADDONS and SUSTAINABLE.
• WATCH THE SAVED DEFAULT: as of Aug 12 2026 the suit configurator has RELAXED TAILORED pre-selected — NOT the Modern Slim that produced the suit that fits. If that is a saved preference rather than a page default, the next suit will come out looser than the last one.
*** VELVET RUNS SMALL — CROSS-BRAND PATTERN IDENTIFIED Aug 16, 2026. Full analysis on the StudioSuits tab. ***
THREE VELVET JACKETS, TWO BRANDS, ALL TOO SMALL: StudioSuits Blue Velvet Tuxedo (Sep 2025, let out at waist and bottom) · StudioSuits Black Velvet (Dec 2025, ordered +0.5 wider and STILL let out) · Hangrr Fuji Purple Velvet Blazer (May 2026, arms far too tight). Every WOOL equivalent from the same makers fits.
THE CONTROLLED CASE: StudioSuits order 473320 (Blue Velvet Tuxedo) was ordered to numbers IDENTICAL to order 458152 (Reda Black Pure Wool) — chest 39, shoulder 18, midsection 35, length 30.75, sleeve 23.75, bicep 15. Same maker, same figures. The wool needed nothing; the velvet was let out. The only variable is fabric.
CHALLENGE TO THE HANGRR ENTRY ABOVE (row 7 / the SLIM-vs-MODERN-SLIM explanation): that reading is brand-internal and cannot explain StudioSuits, where no fit ladder was involved. The two explanations most likely COMPOUND rather than compete — SLIM removed ease, velvet removed more.
THE UNANSWERED TEST THIS TAB ALREADY FLAGS IS NOW THE DECIDING ONE: the Hangrr Deep Purple Wool VEST was ordered SLIM on the SAME order as the velvet blazer. If that wool vest fits, SLIM is exonerated and fabric carries the weight.
ADD TO THIS TAB AS ALTERATION ENTRIES ONCE AMOUNTS ARE KNOWN: StudioSuits 473320 and 485932 velvet jackets, let out at waist and bottom, amounts NOT YET RECORDED. Measure as-ordered against as-altered to capture them.
Reorders
Same jacket ordered twice — spec and price differences
| Jacket | 1st Order | 1st Specs | 1st Price | 2nd Order | 2nd Specs | 2nd Price | Change |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Polo Blue Glen Plaid Bamboo Jacket | #6964 — Sep 8, 2025 | Regular Notch lapels; functional FOUR-button kissing cuffs; buttons 3402 Rimmed Blue | 550 | #7625 — Mar 16, 2026 | Regular PEAK lapels; NON-functional FIVE-button kissing cuffs; buttons 3402 Rimmed Blue | 550 | Same price; lapel and cuff spec changed |
| Ellis Black Pindot Jacket | (order # not shown) — Aug 7, 2025 | WIDE NOTCH lapels; functional FOUR-button kissing cuffs; lining 9025 Opera Mauve Purple Satin; pick stitching (+$50) | not visible | #7625 — Mar 16, 2026 | Regular PEAK lapels; NON-functional FIVE-button kissing cuffs; lining 8504 Drab Gold Large Paisley (+$20); no pick stitching | 545 | 1st price cut off; lapel, cuff, lining and stitching spec all changed |
| Lafayette Aspen Green Hopsack Jacket | #6586 — Jun 30, 2025 | Regular Notch lapels; functional FOUR-button kissing cuffs; buttons 3102 Accented Cream | 479 | #7625 — Mar 16, 2026 | NARROW PEAK lapels; functional FIVE-button kissing cuffs; buttons 3403 Rimmed Brown | 550 | +$71 (15% increase); lapel, cuff and button spec changed |
Both are separate physical garments held in inventory, not duplicate records. Both jackets share their fabric and lining with the first version.
Wishlist
WISHLIST — things wanted, not yet bought
Every entry is verified against the retailer at the time of adding: exact variant, SKU, price and stock.
Prices and stock go stale. Re-check before ordering.
| Added | Brand | Item | Colour / Size | Price | SKU / Variant | Stock at capture | Fit verdict |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Aug 13, 2026 | Paul James Knitwear | Mens Ultra Fine Cotton Knitted T-Shirt ("Hugo") | White / S | $135 LANDED (actual) | 3562-WHITE-S · variant 44046304903422 | 5 available | SIZE S IS CORRECT — but it is the snug end. See analysis below. |
WHY SIZE S IS RIGHT
- Paul James has already cut him SMALL three times: PJK-235271 (White Formal Knitted Blazer), PJK-235876 (Black Formal Knitted Blazer), PJK-237675 (Navy Double Breasted Blazer, S / Regular). The brand knows this body.
- Paul James was cutting him S in Aug/Sep 2025 — five months BEFORE Charles Tyrwhitt sold him Small (Feb 2026) and four months AFTER CT sold him Medium linen. This maker runs ahead of the others on his sizing.
- The documented loose-to-snug preference migration, now known to have an external driver (his wife prefers the tighter fit), points the same way.
THE MEASUREMENTS — AND THE ONE CAUTION
| Size | Half chest | Chest circumference | Body length | Shoulder width | Sleeve length |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| S | 18.9 in | 37.8 in | 27.2 in | 16.3 in | 9.1 in |
| M | 20.1 in | 40.2 in | 27.6 in | 17.1 in | 9.4 in |
- CAUTION: the S finishes at 37.8 in chest against a self-measured 38 in body. That is ZERO ease — the closest-cut garment in the entire workbook. M would give roughly 2 in of ease.
- This is a KNIT, and knits stretch. The workbook already carries this rule from Proper Cloth: the Feb 2025 Japanese Navy Performance Knit Pique was cut far closer than any woven, with a 16.90 yoke against 17.10-17.90 on the wovens. A 16.3 in shoulder on an ultra-fine knit tee is consistent with that, NOT with the 17.81 in corrected woven-shirt shoulder target. Do not compare the two.
- Corroborating data point from the retailer page: a reviewer at 5 ft 10 with a 40 in chest and slim build reports M fits well. Jesse is 5 ft 10 with a 38 in chest — one size down from that reviewer is exactly S.
- VERDICT: order S. But this is the one garment in the workbook where sizing up is a defensible alternative, and if a relaxed-fit tee is wanted rather than a close one, M is the correct choice.
BUYING NOTES
- £60.00 is roughly $76 USD at prevailing rates. CONFIRM AT CHECKOUT — Paul James bills in GBP and converts via Global-e.
- FREE US SHIPPING KICKS IN AT $100. A single tee falls under that threshold. Pairing it with a second item is cheaper than buying one and paying carriage.
- Only 5 units of White / S were in stock at capture. Several other colourways in S are already sold out (Bluestone XS, Light Blue XS, Light Olive XS and M). This colour and size may not persist.
- Duties and taxes are calculated at checkout, no surprise fees on delivery. 30-day returns; US return shipping is $15, deducted from the refund.
- Paul James runs a LOYALTY scheme. Prior order PJK-237675 used code LPUH550NKL for 25% off. Check for an equivalent before ordering at full price.
WHAT THIS WOULD BE IN THE WARDROBE
- FIRST T-SHIRT from Paul James. All five existing orders are BLAZERS — the workbook explicitly reclassified them from sweaters. This is a new category for the brand relationship.
- WHITE is thin on the ground in the knitwear drawer. Existing whites: Suitsupply Off-White crewneck and Off-White polo cardigans, one Paul James White Formal Blazer. Against six Wool & Prince tees, none is white.
- It sits directly against the WOOL & PRINCE Signature Crew Neck Tee, of which he owns six at $51-75 each. Those are merino; this is ultra-fine cotton. At about $76 this is the more expensive tee, so the question is whether cotton earns the premium over merino he already knows works.
- Source: added from a Facebook ad link (utm_source=facebook, paid campaign). Worth noting the acquisition channel — this is the first wishlist entry that came from advertising rather than from a gap he identified himself.
PRICE CORRECTION — Aug 13, 2026. THE $76 FIGURE WAS WRONG. ACTUAL LANDED COST IS $135.
- What I did: fetched the product page, read "Regular price GBP 60.00", and converted at the prevailing rate to get about $76. That is the UK shelf price and nothing else.
- What was missed, in order of size:
1. WRONG STOREFRONT. The GBP 60.00 is the UK storefront. Paul James sells to the US through Global-e, which sets its own USD price rather than converting the GBP one. Corroborated inside this workbook: order PJK-237675 shows a US list of $390.00 for a blazer, not a converted GBP figure.
2. DUTIES AND IMPORT CHARGES. This workbook ALREADY DOCUMENTS THIS EXACT TRAP. The Footwear tab states: "IMPORT DUTY IS A REAL EXTRA COST: DHL collected $40.08 on Oct 2, 2025 for Idrese... No Idrese order total includes duty, so every one of them is understated." The lesson was on the page and was not applied.
3. SHIPPING. Free US shipping starts at $100. A single tee sits below the threshold and pays carriage.
4. SALES TAX. PJK-237675 carried $25.23 tax on a $292.50 subtotal, about 8.62%.
THE RULE TO CARRY FORWARD
- PAUL JAMES LANDED COST IS ROUGHLY 2.25x THE GBP SHELF PRICE for a single low-value item shipped to Oklahoma. GBP 60 became $135.
- NEVER quote a GBP price converted at spot as the cost of a Paul James order. Quote the landed figure or quote nothing.
- The multiplier shrinks on larger orders: crossing the $100 free-shipping threshold and spreading fixed duty over more units both help. PJK-237675 landed at $317.73 on a $292.50 subtotal — only 1.09x, because shipping was free and the order was large.
- PRACTICAL CONSEQUENCE: single-item Paul James orders are the worst value in the workbook. If this tee is wanted, buy it alongside something else.
WHAT $135 CHANGES ABOUT THE DECISION
- At $76 this looked comparable to the Wool & Prince tees at $51-75. At $135 it is nearly DOUBLE the most expensive tee already owned, and more than the $109 Suitsupply short-sleeve crewnecks.
- It is also more than a Sartoro Ultrasoft Bamboo shirt ($123.75 on the Black, order 7241) — a made-to-measure shirt, for less than an off-the-peg tee.
- The size analysis is unaffected: S is still correct. Only the value question changed, and it changed a lot.
WISHLIST ITEM 2 — Naked & Famous, Super Guy, NIGHTSHADE Stretch Selvedge, size 29
Added Aug 14, 2026. Trigger: owner states he WOULD buy more N&F colours but "they didn't have many color
variants in the Super Guy stretch denim." Any new Super Guy stretch colourway is therefore a live candidate.
- SPOTTED IN: a Naked & Famous marketing email dated Mar 14, 2026, promoting "Super Guy - Nightshade Stretch
Selvedge" alongside the Indigo/Indigo he already owns.
- SIZE: 29. Confirmed six times over across Kato and N&F. No sizing question here at all.
- FIT: Super Guy. All four owned N&F pairs are this fit. Settled.
- FABRIC: stretch selvedge — matches the verified requirement. Rigid is ruled OUT on evidence (see the N&F tab:
a rigid slim gives only 0.5-1 in of thigh ease and fails when seated).
- EXPECTED PRICE: the owned stretch selvedge pairs ran $186-193 plus $10 shipping. NOT VERIFIED for Nightshade.
- AVAILABILITY: NOT VERIFIED. The source email is five months old and the colour may be gone. CHECK BEFORE
ASSUMING IT EXISTS.
- WATCH FOR DUTY: N&F ships from Montreal as "International Shipping". No duty line appeared on any of the three
owned orders, but the Idrese precedent ($40.08 collected separately by DHL) and the Paul James landed-cost
lesson (about 2.25x shelf on a small order) both say confirm the true landed cost before treating $196 as final.
*** WISHLIST PRIORITY 1 — Naked & Famous, SUPER GUY, FINGERPRINT DENIM, INDIGO, size 29 ***
Owner-requested Aug 14, 2026. HE IS ALREADY ON THE WAITLIST ("Notify me"). Verified against the product page same day.
SKU SMU217000 (variant SMU217000-IND-29 for size 29) · $145.00 USD · MADE IN CANADA · Button fly
STATUS: SOLD OUT / OUT OF STOCK at time of check. Every size 27-44 is listed but unavailable.
WHY THIS ONE IS A GOOD BUY — it clears every requirement on record
- FIT: Super Guy. Identical to all four pairs he owns. No sizing risk whatsoever.
- SIZE: 29. Corroborated six times across N&F and Kato.
- FABRIC: 98% cotton / 2% STRETCH. Meets the verified requirement — rigid is ruled out on evidence (a rigid slim
gives only 0.5-1 in thigh ease and fails when seated).
- PRICE: $145.00 is the CHEAPEST Super Guy he would own. Compare the four owned pairs: Black Power Stretch $167,
Indigo Power Stretch $171, Indigo/Indigo Stretch Selvedge $186, Black Cobra Stretch Selvedge $193.
- WEIGHT: 11oz, lightweight-to-midweight, described as broken-in from day one. His owned Kato Bordeaux is 13oz
and Copper 10.5oz, so 11oz sits inside the range he already wears.
- THE PATTERN IS WOVEN, NOT PRINTED. Jacquard-woven fingerprint swirl, with the inverse design visible on the
cuff flip. It will not wear off. This is a genuinely different texture from anything in the workbook.
CAVEAT RESOLVED Aug 14, 2026 — 2% IS SUFFICIENT. Owner: "2% is usually fine. The power stretch are 4%."
- 2% elastane is at the LOW end. His two POWER STRETCH pairs almost certainly carry more give than this.
- It should be comparable to his Black Cobra and Indigo/Indigo STRETCH SELVEDGE pairs, which are the same family.
NOT VERIFIED — the elastane content of those two is not published on the order pages.
- Given the rigid-denim failure was specifically about THIGH GIVE WHEN SEATED, and 2% is modest, this is the one
thing worth testing on arrival rather than assuming. Add a wear-log entry when it lands.
*** DUTY QUESTION ON NAKED & FAMOUS — NOW ANSWERED ***
The N&F tab flagged that no duty line appeared on any of the three owned orders, and warned the $747.00 might be
a floor because of the Idrese ($40.08 DHL) and Paul James (about 2.25x) precedents.
THE PRODUCT PAGE STATES: "Canadian-made goods ship duty and tariff free to the USA."
- Fingerprint Denim is MADE IN CANADA, as are the owned pairs (N&F cut and sew in Canada).
- So the $10 flat shipping IS the full landed cost, and $747.00 is a TRUE TOTAL, not a floor.
- N&F is therefore the CHEAPEST cross-border brand in the workbook to import from. Contrast Paul James, where a
GBP 60 tee lands at $135.
- Still worth a card-statement spot check, but the expectation is now no separate duty charge.
FREE CHAIN STITCH HEMMING — but read the warning
- N&F hems free on the vintage Union Special 43200G. He declined hemming twice at Kato ("no hemming needed"), so
the stock inseam works and he probably does not need it.
- CRITICAL: hemmed or custom-patched garments are FINAL SALE, not returnable or exchangeable. Given the 2%
stretch caveat above, DO NOT hem this pair on the first order — keep the return route open.
- Hemming currently adds 7-14 business days, and up to 24 business days over the summer.
RETURNS: store credit only, no refunds, 30 days from fulfilment, unworn with tags. Sale items final.
OTHER SUPER GUY STRETCH COLOURWAYS CURRENTLY LISTED — for the unmet colour demand
Nightshade Stretch Selvedge $174 · Deep Indigo Stretch Selvedge $186 · 11oz Stretch Selvedge $190 · Stretch
Selvedge $176 · Cashmere Stretch Blend $247.
- HIS COMPLAINT HOLDS UP: although there are six stretch options he does not own, nearly all are indigo or black
shades. NIGHTSHADE is the only meaningfully different colour in the stretch family. The Super Guy range has
plenty of interesting FABRICS (Tabi Off-White, Chocolate Milk, Coffee Dye, Elephant 14) but they are RIGID,
which is exactly the trap he already fell into.
- THIS IS THE STRUCTURAL PROBLEM: the adventurous N&F fabrics are rigid, and the stretch he needs comes almost
only in indigo and black. That is why Kato carries the colour risk instead.
*** THE STRETCH THRESHOLD — SETTLED. Owner-confirmed Aug 14, 2026. ***
"2% is usually fine. The power stretch are 4%."
| Elastane | Fabric family | Owned | Verdict |
|---|---|---|---|
| 0% — RIGID | plain selvedge | tried, not kept | FAILS. Slim rigid gives only 0.5-1 in thigh ease. Zero give seated. The one disqualifier. |
| 2% | Stretch Selvedge | Black Cobra · Indigo/Indigo | WORKS. "Usually fine." |
| 4% | Power Stretch | Black Power · Indigo Power | WORKS. |
THE THRESHOLD SITS BETWEEN 0% AND 2%, NOT HIGHER. That is a much tighter and more useful rule than "he needs
stretch." Two percent — a very small amount — is enough to solve a problem that rigid denim could not solve at
any size or any cut. The failure was never about needing a lot of give; it was about needing ANY.
WHAT THIS SETTLES
- FINGERPRINT DENIM AT 2% IS FINE. The caveat raised earlier is withdrawn. It matches the Black Cobra and
Indigo/Indigo pairs he already wears, and those are proven.
- The four owned pairs split evenly, 2 at 2% and 2 at 4%, and BOTH levels work. There is no evidence he prefers
4% over 2% — only that 0% fails.
- SCREENING RULE FOR ANY FUTURE TROUSER, ANY BRAND: check the elastane content first. 2% or more, proceed.
0%, do not buy regardless of how good the fabric is. This applies to the rigid Super Guy fabrics he cannot
have — Tabi Off-White, Chocolate Milk, Coffee Dye, Elephant 14 — and to any rigid denim anywhere.
- IT ALSO REFRAMES THE SARTORO TROUSERS. The workbook is full of Sartoro "Stretch" cloths (2605 Diamantia Teal,
2609 Navy Blue, and the Royal/Aqua/Sapphire/Navy pairs). Their elastane content is NOT recorded anywhere.
WORTH CAPTURING — if those sit at 2% or above, the same threshold explains why the Sartoro trousers work and
it becomes a single cross-brand rule rather than a denim-only one.
HEMMING NOTE, REVISED: the stretch reason for not hemming the first pair is gone. The remaining reason stands on
its own — hemmed garments are FINAL SALE at N&F, and he has declined hemming twice at Kato because the stock
inseam already works. So skip hemming for convenience, not caution.
*** STANDING BUY SIGNAL — LEDBURY BROMPTON MOULINE, ANY NEW COLOUR (added Aug 14, 2026) ***
Owner: "i bought that mouline shirt in every color they had ... I would have bought it in other colors, but
that's all they had."
He owns the COMPLETE available colour range: Charcoal, Light Grey, Light Blue. The constraint is Ledbury's
range, not his interest.
IF A NEW BROMPTON MOULINE COLOURWAY APPEARS, IT IS A BUY.
Spec is settled: Extra-slim / 15 / 34. Collar — see the Ledbury tab, he moved to short spread alden in Jul 2025.
BUY WITH A CODE. Ledbury runs 30%-off-sitewide constantly and he has paid full list on 3 of 4 shirts.
This is better evidenced than any other wishlist entry here: it is a fabric he has already bought out entirely.
*** WANTED — LEDBURY SANDOVAL IN PINK AND CREAM (added Aug 14, 2026, VERIFIED ON SITE) ***
Owner: "they now have a pink sandoval and a cream one that I would like to get."
Verified live on ledbury.com the same day. Both exist and are in stock as made-to-order.
The PINK Sandoval Oxford Chambray Custom Shirt regular $135.00
The CREAM Sandoval Oxford Chambray Custom Shirt regular $135.00
Fabric: 100% slub cotton oxford chambray. Ledbury describes it as mimicking linen without the wrinkling.
Made to order, 2-3 weeks. Covered by Ledbury's 60-DAY GUARANTEE.
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
Two discount structures are live on the site right now:
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
"$109.00 Multibuy" = 19% off
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
Two shirts at full list: 2 x $135.00 = $270.00 + $15.00 shipping = $285.00
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
[SUPERSEDED Aug 14, 2026 — the $150+/$94.50 promo is NOT live. See the corrected block below.]
SPEC TO ORDER — settled, no decisions needed
Fit: Extra-slim
Neck: 15
Sleeve: 34
Collar: SHORT SPREAD ALDEN (settled Jul 2025 — NOT the semi-spread quint of the early greys)
NOT the Camp Collar or Short Sleeve variants — those are different products at the same price.
WHY THIS PURCHASE IS WELL-SUPPORTED
The Sandoval was originally a SUBSTITUTE — "as close as they had in other material" once the Brompton Mouline
range was bought out. He is now returning to it deliberately for two more colours. A substitute that earns a
repeat purchase has effectively passed. That is meaningful given there is still no explicit fit verdict on file.
*** PINK IS A GENUINELY NEW COLOUR FOR THIS WARDROBE ***
The documented palette is navy-dominant with purple as a sustained secondary. Pink appears NOWHERE in the
workbook — not in 61 shirts, not in tailoring, not in knitwear, not in footwear.
Pink sits in the red-purple family, so it is not unrelated to the purple signature, but it is still the first
instance. Worth watching: if the pink Sandoval works, it may open a colour direction rather than being a one-off.
CREAM is not new — cream and off-white already run through the shorts (Coconut Milk x2), the Bonobos linen polo,
and the Banana Republic Cream White pieces. It fits the established warm-neutral summer direction.
NOTE ON THE 60-DAY GUARANTEE
Ledbury covers made-to-order shirts with a 60-day fit guarantee. That materially de-risks trying a new colour —
BUT the earlier order confirmations warn that MARKED DOWN custom items flagged Final Sale at checkout are NOT
returnable. Discount and returnability may conflict. CHECK THE CHECKOUT PAGE before assuming both apply.
*** CORRECTED Aug 14, 2026 — I HAD THE DISCOUNT WRONG. VERIFIED FROM THE LIVE PRODUCT PAGE. ***
Owner at checkout with two shirts: "i don't see the first discount ... not giving any discount." Correct — it does not apply.
MY ERROR: I quoted "$94.50 with orders $150+" from SEARCH-ENGINE SNIPPETS, which were stale. That promo is not
running. I should have fetched the product page before quoting a price. Recorded so the mistake is not repeated:
NEVER QUOTE A PRICE OR PROMO FROM A SEARCH SNIPPET. FETCH THE LIVE PAGE.
THE ACTUAL RULE, read from the product page:
"MULTIBUY — Up to 25% off any 3 CUSTOM ITEMS (shirts, polos, or pants)"
Regular price $135.00
Multibuy price $109.00 — requires THREE custom items, not two
Shipping (Air) $18.00 — NOTE: was $15.00 on his 2025 orders. Ledbury raised it.
THE REAL MATH
Two shirts, no multibuy: 2 x $135 = $270 + $18 = $288.00
Three shirts, multibuy: 3 x $109 = $327 + $18 = $345.00
MARGINAL COST OF THE THIRD SHIRT = $57.00 — a $135 shirt for $57, a 58% effective discount.
So the question is not "can I get a discount on two" — it is "is a third shirt worth $57 to me".
At $57 for a made-to-order shirt in a fabric he has already endorsed by buying out its range, that is the
cheapest custom shirt available to him anywhere, by a wide margin. Proper Cloth lands at $262-295.
WHAT THE THIRD ITEM SHOULD BE
The multibuy counts SHIRTS, POLOS OR PANTS — they do not all have to be shirts.
OPTION A: a third Sandoval colour. Live swatches on the plain custom shirt are Cream, Light Blue, Medium Blue,
Navy Blue. He already owns Navy. MEDIUM BLUE is the only unowned plain-Sandoval colour left.
OPTION B: a new Brompton Mouline colourway if one exists — already a standing buy signal on this tab.
OPTION C: LEDBURY PANTS. Never investigated, and the workbook has an open item about them. The Franklin
5 Pocket Custom Pant is $165 / $139 multibuy. Would need his waist block established first.
RECOMMENDATION: Medium Blue Sandoval is the lowest-risk third item — same fabric, same fit, colour he lacks.
*** CRITICAL TRAP — THE DEFAULT COLLAR ON THIS SHIRT IS BUTTON DOWN ***
Read verbatim from the product page features list:
"Collar, Unless Customized: BUTTON DOWN"
He stated today that he HATES button-down collars. If he does not actively change the collar in the customizer,
LEDBURY WILL SHIP HIM A BUTTON-DOWN SHIRT.
His previous four Ledbury shirts were all customized (quint, then alden), so he has always changed it — but this
is a live risk on every future order and it is exactly the failure the workbook exists to prevent.
SET COLLAR TO: Short Spread "Alden". It is offered — the page lists it in the Collar Guide.
OTHER DEFAULTS TO CHECK: "Length, Unless Customized: Untucked Regular" and "Pocket: None".
OTHER VERIFIED FACTS FROM THE PAGE
- 60-day guarantee CONFIRMED on made-to-order: return or exchange within 60 days of shipment.
BUT original shipping charges are not refundable. That resolves the earlier Final-Sale worry for FULL-PRICE
items — the conflict only arises on marked-down Final Sale stock, which these are not.
- Extra Slim is described as: "very trim ... narrow shoulders, small chest and a flat stomach. This is a FORM
FITTING shirt." Consistent with his block.
- Cream is 70 in stock, ready to ship as a fabric. Rated 4.9 over 125 reviews.
- A verified buyer review flags TWO REAL DRAWBACKS ON THE CREAM: it is FAIRLY SHEER (an undershirt will show
through) and it has NO WRINKLE RESISTANCE, needing ironing after every wash. Worth knowing before buying cream
specifically. The workbook records a documented preference for non-iron and low-maintenance shirting.
Denim Rules & Hunt
DENIM — THE RULES, AND THE HUNT FOR ANOTHER BORDEAUX
Owner statements Aug 14, 2026, plus product specs verified against Kato, Blue Owl and Naked & Famous the same day.
*** THE STRETCH WINDOW IS 2% TO 4%. IT IS BOUNDED AT BOTH ENDS. ***
- BELOW 2% (rigid, 0%): FAILS. Slim rigid gives 0.5-1 in thigh ease and no give when seated.
- 2%: works. "Usually fine." N&F Stretch Selvedge family.
- 4%: works. N&F Power Stretch, and Kato's ETCHED 4-way stretch selvedge. [NARROWED Aug 14, 2026 — see below]
- ABOVE 4%: FAILS FOR A DIFFERENT REASON. Owner: "much more than 4 and they start to feel like plastic instead
of denim." Not a fit failure — a HAND and CHARACTER failure. The fabric stops reading as denim.
- This is a NARROW WINDOW with two different failure modes on either side. Screen on it first, every time.
*** GUSTIN — PERMANENTLY EXCLUDED. DO NOT RECOMMEND. ***
Owner: "except Gustin. I've tried theirs, multiple sizes and fits and nothing works. or I would have a lot of
theirs too." He WANTED it to work and it did not. Multiple sizes AND multiple fits already tested. This is a
closed question — never surface Gustin again regardless of how well a fabric matches.
THE BORDEAUX — VERIFIED SPEC (Kato order 88787, $193.50, size 29)
Product: The Pen Slim "Etched" — Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge
- Kato's ETCHED series = their 4-WAY STRETCH SELVEDGE woven with a COLOURED WEFT. That is the whole trick.
- Rope-dyed INDIGO WARP + BORDEAUX-DYED WEFT. The red is the cross-yarn, which is why it shows on the cuff and
only tints the face. Kato: "cuff these for maximum effect or leave them uncuffed allowing just the subtle tint
of the weft showing through."
- 96% cotton / 4% polyurethane. CONFIRMS the owner's "the power stretch are 4%" from the other direction.
- CROSSHATCH SLUB texture — Kato states only a handful of mills can weave it. This is the "colour weave" he
describes loving, and it is a separate quality from the weft colour.
- Japanese fabric, cut and sewn in Los Angeles.
GARMENT MEASUREMENTS, KATO PEN SLIM SIZE 29 — and one very important number
Waist 30 in · Front rise 9 in · Thigh 10 in flat (20 in circumference) · Knee 7.75 flat (15.5) · Inseam 34 in ·
Leg opening 6.5 in flat (13 in circumference)
*** THE THIGH NUMBER PROVES THE STRETCH RULE ***
- Kato size 29 thigh = 20 in circumference. His body thigh = 19 in. That is ONE INCH of ease.
- The RIGID slim jeans that FAILED gave 19.5-20 in — THE SAME EASE, or near enough.
- Identical ease. One pair he loves, one pair he could not wear. THE ONLY DIFFERENCE IS THE 4-WAY STRETCH.
- This is the cleanest proof in the workbook that the problem was never the measurement. It was the give.
ALSO EXPLAINS THE HEMMING ANSWER
- Kato inseam is 34 in against his roughly 31 in. He answered "No hemming needed" on BOTH Kato orders.
- He is not wearing a 34 in inseam — HE IS CUFFING THEM. Which is exactly how the bordeaux weft gets displayed.
- So "no hemming needed" is not evidence the stock inseam fits. It is evidence he cuffs by preference.
CORRECTION to the earlier note on the Kato tab, which read it as an inseam match.
=============== the hunt — WHAT ELSE IS LIKE THE BORDEAUX =================
HONEST FRAMING FIRST: the intersection of COLOURED WEFT + STRETCH + SLIM is a genuinely tiny niche, and Kato
essentially owns it. Most coloured-weft denim is heavyweight and rigid, which is exactly what fails him.
| Rank | Product | Weight / Content | Why | Status |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | HIROSHI KATO — "Etched" GREEN TEA WEFT, Pen Slim | 13oz · 96/4 | THE SAME PRODUCT IN ANOTHER COLOUR. Same Etched series, same 4-way stretch selvedge, same crosshatch slub, same Pen Slim fit, same size 29. Indigo warp + green-tea dyed weft. Zero fit risk. A Kato reviewer bought exactly this pairing: "Ordered in Bordeaux Raw & Green Tea Raw." | VERIFY STOCK |
| 1= | HIROSHI KATO — "Etched" DARK GREEN, Pen Slim | 14oz · 96/4 | Same series at a heavier weight. Same reasoning. | VERIFY STOCK |
| 2 | NAKED & FAMOUS — RED WEFT Stretch Selvedge | 12.5oz · 98/2 | Closest non-Kato match found. Rope-dyed indigo warp + RED WEFT + indigo overdye. Red shows when cuffed, exactly the effect he likes. Japanese fabric, made in Canada, so duty-free. MEETS the 2% floor. | LIKELY DISCONTINUED — source is a 2016 brand blog and a secondhand listing. Ask N&F directly. |
| 2= | NAKED & FAMOUS — BLACK x RED Stretch Selvedge | stretch · content n/v | Black warp + red weft, so a darker face with a red cast and a red cuff. Same family. | LIKELY DISCONTINUED. Same caveat. |
| 3 | NAKED & FAMOUS — 11oz Stretch Selvedge, BLACK WEFT | 11oz · stretch | Coloured weft (black not red) with stretch. Cuffs to show black weft plus the red-line selvedge ID. | LIKELY DISCONTINUED |
| — | NAKED & FAMOUS — Super Guy DIRTY FADE Selvedge | $176, in stock | BROWN WEFT — the right idea and currently available in his exact fit. BUT the listing does not state stretch and N&F selvedge is usually rigid. CHECK THE ELASTANE BEFORE BUYING. | IN STOCK, CONTENT UNVERIFIED |
RIGHT LOOK, WRONG FABRIC — do NOT buy, they break his own rule
- UNBRANDED UB691, 21oz heavy RED WEFT selvedge. Deep red on the cuff, exactly the effect. But 21oz and RIGID,
and a relaxed tapered cut. Fails on stretch and on fit.
- SOSOBROTHERS 22oz red/burgundy reactive weft. Made to order with individual measurement adjustments, which is
tempting given his block is now fully specified — but 22oz RIGID. Fails the stretch rule outright.
- Both are listed only so they are not re-discovered later and mistaken for candidates.
GUSTIN Rainbow Selvedge would have been an obvious suggestion. EXCLUDED by owner instruction. Noted so no future
session surfaces it.
RECOMMENDED NEXT ACTION
1. Ask Kato directly which ETCHED weft colours are current or coming. They rotate; Bordeaux and Green Tea are the
two confirmed. This is by far the highest-probability route to another pair he will love.
2. Ask Naked & Famous whether any COLOURED WEFT STRETCH fabric is returning. They have made red weft, black x red
and black weft stretch before — all in his 2% floor — and he is already a customer with four pairs.
3. Check the elastane on Super Guy Dirty Fade before considering it.
*** THE TWO DENIM BRANDS SERVE DIFFERENT FOOTWEAR. CONFIRMED Aug 14, 2026. ***
Owner: "Super Guy is 12.5. I wear them with sneakers." And earlier: "My Kato I usually wear with boots."
| Brand / fit | Leg opening | Worn with | Pairs | Colours |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| HIROSHI KATO — The Pen Slim | 13 in | BOOTS — Thursday, Allen Edmonds Landon, Idrese (planned) | 6 orders | Bordeaux, Copper — adventurous |
| NAKED & FAMOUS — Super Guy | 12.5 in | SNEAKERS | 4 pairs | Black, Indigo — conventional |
HALF AN INCH APART, AND IT IS DELIBERATE. This is the finding that makes sense of the whole December-to-February
denim burst. Ten pairs across two brands is NOT redundant buying — the two brands do different jobs:
KATO = the BOOT jean. Wider opening at 13 in to sit on a boot, cuffed to show the coloured weft, heavier
fabrics at 10.5-13oz, and the adventurous colours.
NAKED & FAMOUS = the SNEAKER jean. Narrower at 12.5 in, black and indigo, the everyday staple.
IT ALSO FITS THE FORMALITY LADDER EXACTLY. Both land where the Lower Body Block predicts:
Dress 13.5-14.25 (dress shoes) · Kato 13 (boots) · Super Guy 12.5 (sneakers). No number is out of place.
CONSEQUENCES WORTH CARRYING FORWARD
- The FINGERPRINT DENIM on the wishlist is a SUPER GUY, so it will be a SNEAKER jean at 12.5 in, not a boot jean.
That does not weaken the case — the sneaker register is where he has only black and indigo, so an indigo
jacquard-woven fingerprint pattern adds interest exactly where the wardrobe is plainest.
- Conversely, ANOTHER KATO ETCHED (Green Tea weft) would be a BOOT jean, adding to the register that already has the colour interest. Both wishlist items are justified, for opposite reasons.
- WHEN JUDGING ANY FUTURE JEAN: establish the footwear first. The leg opening requirement follows from it, and
0.5 in decides which register the garment belongs to.
- The cuffing behaviour is specific to KATO (34 in inseam, cuffed for the weft). Whether the Super Guy pairs are
also cuffed is NOT established — worth asking, since it affects the effective opening at the ankle.
CORRECTION — Aug 14, 2026: "ALL KATO IS 4% STRETCH" IS TOO BROAD
All six Kato order confirmations were read on Aug 14, 2026. Ten garments, all size 29. Kato names stretch products
explicitly in the line item, and only TWO of the ten carry such a name:
88787 "The Pen Slim ETCHED — Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge" (etched = 4-way stretch selvedge)
93272 "The Pen Slim STRETCH 16w Corduroy — Charcoal" (stretch, but corduroy not denim)
The remaining EIGHT are printed as plain "Raw ... Selvedge". Raw selvedge is conventionally RIGID, and this tab
records that 0% rigid FAILS on this body — he tried it and gave up.
THIS IS AN UNRESOLVED CONFLICT, NOT A CORRECTION TO THE RULE.
The 2%-4% window may still be exactly right. What is not established is that all ten Kato pairs sit inside it.
Do not restate "all Kato is 4% stretch" until the composition of a plain Raw Selvedge pair is confirmed.
Cheapest test: the Black Raw 10.5oz Selvedge from order 92545 — identify the pair, read the care/composition label.
SEARCH METHOD
SEARCH METHOD — READ THIS BEFORE CONCLUDING A BRAND HAS NO RECORDS
Created Aug 15, 2026 after the "lists" folder was discovered holding 5,953 unsearched messages.
*** EVERY "ZERO RECORDS" CONCLUSION IN THIS WORKBOOK IS NOW SUSPECT ***
Brand searches in this project have defaulted to the Inbox. They have never covered the mail rule's destination
folder, and they have never covered the second email address. Both are large.
| Location | Status | Volume | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| Inbox | SEARCHED | — | The default. Everything found so far came from here. |
| "lists" FOLDER | *** NOT SEARCHED *** | 5,953 messages | A mail rule diverts marketing here. LIVE and receiving daily — Suitsupply landed Aug 15, 2026 at 15:35. The Ledbury 25% Father's Day promo was filed here, which is why it was never seen. MUST be searched for every brand. |
| Clutter | partially searched | unknown | Outlook auto-filing. Held Ledbury "30% OFF SITEWIDE" emails from Apr 2025. Separate from the lists folder. |
| Deleted Items | partially searched | unknown | Checked for Ledbury only. Held a Nov 2025 Ledbury email. |
| myers_jesse@yahoo.com | *** NOT ACCESSIBLE *** | unknown | A SECOND ADDRESS. Ledbury sent identical campaigns to it and to jesse@jessncass.com, minutes apart, through 2025. Not reachable via the Microsoft 365 connector. See below. |
HOW TO SEARCH THE "lists" FOLDER
The Outlook MCP supports a folderName parameter. Free-text query works WITH folderName, but CANNOT be combined
with sender or date filters at the same time. So:
WORKS: folderName="lists", query="Ferragamo"
WORKS: folderName="lists", order="newest" (no query)
FAILS: folderName="lists", query="X", afterDateTime=... -> VALIDATION_ERROR
Run a plain folderName + query search per brand. It is one extra call per brand and it is cheap.
BRANDS TO RE-RUN AGAINST THE "lists" FOLDER — priority order
1. ARMANI · HUGO BOSS — the largest uncaptured group in the project. Nothing known at all.
2. FERRAGAMO · PRADA — declared owned, zero transactional records anywhere.
3. HOGAN — one pair captured, no order record.
4. CHRISTIAN LOUBOUTIN — 4 of 5 pairs have no order record.
5. BONOBOS — 4 of 6 orders still unpriced. Already proved the mailbox hides things.
6. THURSDAY BOOT CO. · AMBERJACK — declared owned, never found.
7. NORDSTROM · NEIMAN MARCUS · SAKS — the likely retailers for 1, 2 and 4.
8. eBay — a proven channel (the Mauvais W28), never searched as a channel.
THE YAHOO ADDRESS — what is known and what to do
EVIDENCE: Ledbury campaigns went to myers_jesse@yahoo.com AND jesse@jessncass.com, often the same campaign
minutes apart, across Apr 2025. Confirmed in the Clutter folder of THIS mailbox.
WHY IT MATTERS: if that address was ever used at checkout, entire brands could sit there with nothing in this
mailbox at all. That is the single most likely explanation for Ferragamo, Prada and the Armani/Boss suits.
ACCESS: the Microsoft 365 connector reaches jesse_myers@2057hldgs.com only. Yahoo is a separate provider and is
NOT reachable from here.
OPTIONS, cheapest first:
a) Search Yahoo Mail manually in a browser for the brand names above. No setup, works today.
b) Forward or import the Yahoo mailbox into Outlook, which would bring it into connector range.
c) Yahoo supports IMAP with an app password — a small script could search it directly and is well within
reach given the tooling already available on this project.
UNTIL ONE OF THOSE HAPPENS, no "brand X has no records" statement can be made about the whole archive —
only about this mailbox.
THE RULE THIS ESTABLISHES
The project already had: "email is an incomplete source" and "do not filter by sender domain".
ADD A THIRD: DO NOT ASSUME THE INBOX IS THE ARCHIVE.
A mail rule, an Outlook auto-filer, and a second provider each hide mail independently. A brand can be absent
from the Inbox and fully documented two folders away. Bonobos proved this once already — 1,357 marketing emails
masked six real orders. The lists folder is the same failure at a larger scale.
FIRST TEST RUN — Aug 15, 2026: folderName="lists", query="Ferragamo"
THE METHOD WORKS. The call succeeded and returned results the Inbox search never surfaced.
RESULT: Ferragamo appears ONLY inside NEIMAN MARCUS MARKETING emails — the brand is one name among many in
promotional blasts (Burberry, Fendi, Jimmy Choo, Zegna, Ferragamo...). NO FERRAGAMO ORDER OF ANY KIND.
WHAT THIS TELLS US, AND IT IS USEFUL EVEN THOUGH IT IS A NEGATIVE
The lists folder does NOT solve the Ferragamo gap. That narrows the remaining possibilities to:
a) The purchase was made under myers_jesse@yahoo.com — now the leading hypothesis.
b) It was bought in person, or through an account whose confirmations never reached email at all.
c) It sits in NEIMAN MARCUS ORDER HISTORY, which is reachable by logging into the account directly.
NOTE: he clearly has an ACTIVE Neiman Marcus relationship — they email him personalised codes several times a
week. The black Louboutin Louis Junior was bought there (Jul 4, 2023, $917.88). Neiman is the most likely
retailer for Ferragamo and Prada too. THEIR ORDER HISTORY PAGE IS THE HIGHEST-VALUE UNEXPLORED SOURCE.
INCIDENTAL — a live discount code found while testing
NEIMAN MARCUS 20% off, code AUG20NM-J57T-VMQW2W. Personalised to him. Received Aug 11 and Aug 13, 2026, with a
"expires soon" reminder on Aug 15, 2026. A separate code AUGUST earns a $50-$500 gift card.
Not relevant to the Ledbury decision, but it is live and it is on a retailer he actually buys designer goods from.
LOGGING IN TO USE IT WOULD ALSO EXPOSE THE ORDER HISTORY — two birds.
SEARCH ORDER FOR THE REST OF THE BACKLOG — revised after this test
1. Run folderName="lists" for each brand on the list above. Cheap, one call each.
2. EXPECT MOSTLY MARKETING. The lists folder is where marketing was diverted, so a hit is not an order — read
the sender and subject before recording anything.
3. When a brand returns only marketing, that is EVIDENCE THE ORDER IS ELSEWHERE, not evidence of no purchase.
Record it as such. This is the Bonobos lesson: absence in one place is not absence.
Mauvais
MAUVAIS — ALL FOUR DIRECT ORDERS NOW READ (Aug 14, 2026). THE CHINO AND SHORTS CATEGORY.
mauvais.co.uk / us.mauvais.co.uk, billed MAUVAIS INC. Shopify. Customer since Feb 27, 2026.
Owner: "this summer, I wanted to go Positano/Capri style. I bought several of their pants this summer."
FOUR DIRECT ORDERS = 13 GARMENTS, $984.97 — a TRUE total. Plus one eBay pair, amount still unread.
| Order | Confirmed | Item | Size | Qty | Price | Order notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| USA183092 | Feb 27, 2026 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | W30 | 1 | 75 | FIRST ORDER. Subtotal $75.00 + shipping $9.99 + tax $0.00 = TOTAL $84.99. FedEx Economy. THE ONLY W30 — see below. |
| USA184446 | Mar 17, 2026 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — TAUPE | W28 | 1 | 75 | Subtotal $225.00 + shipping $9.99 + tax $0.00 = TOTAL $234.99. FedEx Economy. Paid by PayPal Mar 16. |
| USA184446 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — NAVY | W28 | 1 | 75 | ||
| USA184446 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BLACK | W28 | 1 | 75 | ||
| USA185004 | Mar 26, 2026 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — NAVY | W28 | 1 | 75 | BIGGEST ORDER. Subtotal $505.00, shipping $0.00 (Free FedEx over $250), tax $0.00 = TOTAL $505.00. |
| USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BEIGE | W28 | 1 | 75 | ||
| USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — TAUPE | W28 | 1 | 75 | ||
| USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | W28 | 2 | 150 | Two identical white pairs on one line. | |
| USA185004 | Beaufort Stretch Chino SHORTS — BEIGE | W28 | 2 | 130 | *** THE FIRST SHORTS IN THE ENTIRE WORKBOOK *** $65.00 each. | |
| USA186431 | Apr 14, 2026 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — BEIGE | W28 | 1 | 75 | Subtotal $150.00 + shipping $9.99 + tax $0.00 = TOTAL $159.99. FedEx Economy. |
| USA186431 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | W28 | 1 | 75 | ||
| DIRECT SUBTOTAL — 4 orders, 13 garments | 13 | 955 | Plus $29.97 shipping across three orders = $984.97 paid. | |||
| eBay | Mar 9, 2026 | Beaufort Stretch Chinos — WHITE | W28 | 1 | Order 07-14346-79815. Delivered Mar 16, 2026. AMOUNT STILL NOT READ — the eBay confirmation has not been opened. |
*** THE SIZE CORRECTION — W30 DOWN TO W28, AND IT EXPLAINS THE RETURN ***
The first order (Feb 27) was a WHITE chino in W30. Every single garment after that is W28. Ten days later, on
Mar 9, two things happened on the SAME DAY: he emailed Mauvais about returning an order, and he bought the same
product — Beaufort Stretch Chinos in WHITE — on eBay in W28.
READING: the W30 was too big, went back, and the white pair was immediately re-bought in the correct size.
This is CONSISTENT but NOT PROVEN. What would prove it: the eBay confirmation, or a refund record for USA183092.
NOTE THE IRONY: the Kato "four days apart = size correction" hypothesis was wrong. The same pattern is real HERE,
and this workbook had already recorded both halves of it without connecting them.
CORRECTION — THE COLOUR PALETTE CLAIM WAS TOO NARROW
The previous entry said colours were "WHITE, TAUPE and BEIGE ... pale, warm, resort neutrals" and called that "a
deliberate and completely new colour direction". That was inferred from post-purchase review requests only, which
happened to cover three orders. The actual order lines include NAVY (twice) and BLACK.
TRUE PALETTE: White x4 · Beige x2 (+2 shorts) · Taupe x2 · Navy x2 · Black x1.
So it is half resort-neutral and half the existing navy/black core. The neutrals are new; the wardrobe did not
switch away from navy and black. Do not restate the "completely new colour direction" claim.
*** SHORTS — OPEN ITEM #22 IS CLOSED ***
"SHORTS — not one pair anywhere, and he owns many, many white linen ones" was listed as a category with zero records.
Order USA185004 contains TWO pairs of Beaufort Stretch Chino Shorts in BEIGE, W28, $65.00 each.
CAVEAT — THIS DOES NOT CLOSE THE WHOLE GAP. These are BEIGE STRETCH CHINO shorts. The shorts he describes owning
are WHITE LINEN. Those are still uncaptured, and Bonobos remains the likely source. What is now established is that
shorts exist in the record at all, and that they are bought in the same W28 as the chinos.
W28 IS CONFIRMED ACROSS TWELVE OF THIRTEEN GARMENTS
The previous entry warned "W28 is confirmed for the eBay WHITE pair ONLY ... do not assume 28 across all five".
That caution is now resolved by primary source: 12 of 13 direct garments are W28. The single exception is the very
first pair, W30, which appears to have been the error that triggered the return.
WAIST LADDER: MAUVAIS 28 · Suitsupply base 28 (trouser BODY) · Kato 29 · Naked & Famous 29 · Archer 30 (waist).
Against a measured 33 body waist. Mauvais ties Suitsupply as the smallest label — about 5 in of vanity sizing.
THE DECISION-ELIMINATION PATTERN, AGAIN
White x4 chinos across three separate orders, two of them on a single line of one order. Beige x2 plus beige shorts x2.
Taupe x2. Navy x2. This is the same behaviour recorded for Kato Pen Slim, N&F Super Guy and the re-bought Charles
Tyrwhitt SKUs: when something works he buys it repeatedly rather than varying. Duplicates here are deliberate.
COMMERCIAL FACTS WORTH KEEPING
- Flat $75.00 per chino, $65.00 per pair of shorts. No discount code on any order. No sales tax on any order.
- Shipping is $9.99 flat, waived above $250 ("Free Fedex Shipping Over $250"). He paid carriage three times out of four.
Consolidating the three small orders would have cleared the threshold and saved $29.97 — the same lesson the
Paul James tab records about sub-threshold single-item orders.
- UK brand, US storefront (us.mauvais.co.uk), FedEx Economy, and NO import duty on any order — unlike Paul James and Idrese.
STILL OPEN ON MAUVAIS
1. The eBay order amount (07-14346-79815) — the last unpriced Mauvais line.
2. Did the USA183092 refund actually land? The return was opened Mar 9, 2026 and has never been confirmed closed.
3. Leg opening on the Beaufort chino — unrecorded, and these are sneaker-register trousers.
4. Fabric composition / elastane %. "Stretch" is in the product name; the actual percentage is unknown and would
feed straight into the 2%-4% stretch window rule.
5. Inseam / length — not shown on any confirmation. Only waist is sized.
Summer Whites & Shorts
THE SUMMER WHITE UNIFORM — and two categories this workbook does not have
Owner, Aug 14, 2026. This is a wardrobe STRATEGY, not just a set of purchases.
"I like to wear white pants and shorts in the summer. I have many, many pair of white Bonobos chino and linen
shorts. When we vacationed in Belize, to pack, I just grabbed a handful of each to throw in the bag. White
shorts or white pants every day. Nothing to think about."
*** THE DECISION-ELIMINATION STRATEGY ***
- He deliberately buys MULTIPLES OF THE SAME THING IN WHITE so that summer dressing requires no decisions.
- "Nothing to think about" is the point. Packing for Belize (Jun 2026) was grabbing a handful of each.
- THIS IS THE SAME BEHAVIOUR SEEN ELSEWHERE AND NOT PREVIOUSLY NAMED: one fit per brand and repeat (Kato Pen
Slim x6, N&F Super Guy x4), re-buying the identical Charles Tyrwhitt SKU in a corrected size, ordering the
same Sartoro jacket twice. HE OPTIMISES FOR REPEATABILITY, NOT VARIETY.
- CONSEQUENCE FOR THIS WORKBOOK: high unit counts at low unit prices are a FEATURE of his buying, not noise.
Do not treat duplicate purchases as errors or as double-counted records without checking.
*** MAUVAIS — THE FIVE ORDERS ARE LARGELY THE SAME TROUSER IN WHITE ***
Owner: "for those Mauvais, I bought several white pair, they are cheap enough."
- The Mauvais tab lists five orders with three colours confirmed from review requests (White, Taupe, Beige).
Those review requests are per-PRODUCT, not per-pair, so several WHITE pairs can sit behind one review request.
- REVISED READING: Mauvais is mostly a white-chino restock, with taupe and beige alongside. Consistent with the
$234.99 order total, which is low for a UK brand shipping to the US and points to a low unit price.
- "Cheap enough" is itself a buying rule: this is the VOLUME lane, the opposite of the Sartoro/Suitsupply lane.
*** BONOBOS — DECLARED, SUBSTANTIAL, AND ENTIRELY UNCAPTURED ***
"Many, many pair" of WHITE CHINOS and LINEN SHORTS. Possibly the highest unit count of any brand in the wardrobe.
SEARCH RESULT Aug 14, 2026: the mailbox holds ONLY marketing, from Bonobos@news.bonobos.com, arriving DOUBLED
and TRIPLED (the same subject three times within minutes). NO order confirmations surfaced.
*** DO NOT CONCLUDE "MARKETING ONLY". THAT EXACT ERROR WAS MADE TODAY ON NAKED & FAMOUS, WHICH TURNED OUT TO
HAVE FOUR PAIRS AND $747 OF ORDERS THAT SIMPLY WERE NOT IN THE MAILBOX. ***
- Marketing arrives from news.bonobos.com; order confirmations would come from a different sender. Only one
search has been run.
- THE PROVEN ROUTE IS THE ACCOUNT PAGE. That is what produced the N&F orders and the Allen Edmonds export.
ACTION: export the Bonobos account order history. Bonobos also has physical Guideshops, so some pairs may
have been bought in person and leave no order email at all — the Covenant Brothers pattern.
- ALSO WORTH SEARCHING: eBay, now a proven channel via the Mauvais white pair.
*** SHORTS — A CATEGORY WITH ZERO RECORDS ***
There is not one pair of shorts anywhere in this workbook. He owns "many, many" in white linen from Bonobos and
wore them daily in Belize. The register covers suits, trousers, jeans, shirts, knitwear and footwear — and stops.
- LINEN is also nearly absent: only the Suitsupply Wool Silk Linen suits and the Idrese tan linen double monks.
- Summer as a whole is thin. The seasonal picture is heavily weighted to tailoring and autumn/winter footwear.
FOOTWEAR PAIRING — the second outfit record, and it spans two registers
"I wear those Mauvais and those Bonobos shorts with sneakers or with my Allen Edmonds or Amberjack loafers."
- WHITE SUMMER TROUSERS AND SHORTS PAIR WITH: sneakers (US 10-10.5) OR loafers (US 9-9.5 dress bracket).
- So this category is NOT tied to one footwear register — it crosses both, which no other garment group does.
Jeans are register-locked (Kato to boots, Super Guy to sneakers); summer whites are deliberately flexible.
- AMBERJACK: appears in the owner-supplied footwear size register in the 8.5-9 dress band. NO PURCHASE RECORD,
no model, no colour, no date, no price. Same empty-file problem as Thursday Boot Co.
- ALLEN EDMONDS LOAFERS: the export holds Wilder Venetian (Denim Blue suede), Randolph Slip-on (Grey suede) and
the Apr 2026 Carson Venetian Hybrid (Sea suede). Which are the summer-white pairings is not established.
OPEN ITEMS FROM THIS ENTRY
1. Bonobos account export — likely the largest unit-count gap in the workbook.
2. Shorts: how many, what inseam, what waist size. Bonobos sizes differently again (they use waist + fit name).
3. Amberjack loafers: model, colour, date, price.
4. Confirm how many of the five Mauvais orders are white and how many pairs in total.
5. Belize, June 2026 — a dated wear event with a known packing list. Worth a Wear Log entry: what actually got
worn, and did anything fail in heat and humidity.
Banana Republic
BANANA REPUBLIC + BANANA REPUBLIC FACTORY — NEW. Ten orders found, and MORE EXIST.
Owner: "there should be a shitload of linen t-shirt and polo purchases last summer and this summer." CONFIRMED.
Searched Aug 14, 2026. Both searches returned moreResults=true — THIS LIST IS INCOMPLETE.
*** TWO SEPARATE RETAILERS, TWO SEPARATE SENDERS. DO NOT MERGE THEM. ***
BANANA REPUBLIC — orders@email.bananarepublic.com · tracking via bananarepublic.narvar.com
BANANA REPUBLIC FACTORY — orders@email.bananarepublicfactory.com · tracking via bananarepublicfactory.narvar.com
Different pricing, different product lines, and Factory is the outlet arm. Sizing can differ between them.
| Order | Retailer | Date | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1K3WDHL | Banana Republic | Nov 2, 2024 | Earliest found. Relationship predates both summers. |
| 1MMRW2J | BR FACTORY | Jul 6, 2025 | READ IN FULL — 7 items, ALL SIZE M, all Linen-Blend. $129.55. See detail below. |
| 1MMRL4V | BR FACTORY | Jul 6, 2025 | TWO ORDERS THE SAME DAY — 12 minutes apart |
| 1MYC4DD | BR FACTORY | Jul 10, 2025 | Last summer's cluster |
| 1YQBTKB | Banana Republic | Nov 28, 2025 | Black Friday |
| 1PS8JWR | Banana Republic | Mar 9, 2026 | Delivered Mar 14 |
| 1Q1269G | BR FACTORY | Mar 17, 2026 | |
| 1QTFP23 | BR FACTORY | Jun 15, 2026 | |
| 1R03L81 | BR FACTORY | Jun 18, 2026 | Three days after 1QTFP23 |
| 1R4PMVW | BR FACTORY | Jul 4, 2026 | Most recent. Delivered Jul 8. |
TEN ORDERS, ZERO ITEMS READ, ZERO DOLLARS CAPTURED. Not one confirmation has been opened — no products, no
colours, no sizes, no totals. This is now the single largest unread block in the workbook, ahead of Kato.
WHAT THE PATTERN ALREADY SHOWS
- BOTH SUMMERS CONFIRMED: Jul 2025 (three orders in five days) and Jun-Jul 2026 (three orders in three weeks).
Exactly as described. The buying is seasonal and clustered.
- FACTORY DOMINATES: seven of ten are Factory, the outlet arm. Consistent with the Mauvais "cheap enough" logic
and the white-multiples strategy — this is the VOLUME lane, not the considered lane.
- TWO ORDERS TWELVE MINUTES APART on Jul 6, 2025. Usually means a forgotten item or a second cart, not two
separate decisions.
- LINEN T-SHIRTS AND POLOS are the stated content. If so this is the largest KNITWEAR/CASUAL TOP block in the
workbook and it currently has no representation at all.
SIZE EXPECTATION — worth checking rather than assuming
Alpha sizing elsewhere landed at SMALL by Feb 2026 (Charles Tyrwhitt) and Aug 2025 (Paul James). Suitsupply
knitwear is S with two stray M pieces. So S is the expectation at Banana Republic — BUT the ladder ran
LARGE (2024) to MEDIUM (2025) to SMALL (2026), and the 2024-2025 BR orders sit INSIDE that transition. Earlier
orders may well be M or L and no longer wearable. THIS IS EXACTLY THE CHARLES TYRWHITT PROBLEM, where a third of
the wardrobe turned out unwearable. Check the sizes on the 2024 and Jul 2025 orders first.
*** TWO UNRELATED BRANDS FOUND BY ACCIDENT — both new to the workbook ***
While searching, Afterpay payment confirmations from Nov 6, 2024 surfaced:
- J.CREW — order #100670804956, $154.62, Mastercard ending 4569. Never recorded anywhere.
- NORDSTROM — order #100660880765, $292.10, Visa ending 9569. Never recorded anywhere.
NORDSTROM IS SIGNIFICANT. The Designer Footwear tab names Nordstrom as a place to hunt for the missing Ferragamo
and Prada. A $292.10 Nordstrom order from Nov 2024 now exists and its contents are unknown. READ IT.
ALSO NEW: AFTERPAY is a payment method this workbook has never recorded. Known methods were PayPal, Klarna,
and cards. That is a fourth financing route, and Afterpay confirmations may surface purchases whose order
emails are missing — the same gap that hid the Naked & Famous orders.
TO DO
1. Page past the first twenty results on both searches. More orders exist in both directions.
2. Read the ten known confirmations for items, colours, sizes and totals.
3. Read the Nordstrom order — possible Ferragamo/Prada.
4. Read the J.Crew order.
5. Search Afterpay confirmations as a channel in their own right.
*** ORDER 1MMRW2J — READ IN FULL, Jul 6 2025. SEVEN LINEN PIECES, EVERY ONE SIZE M. ***
| Item | Colour | Size | Was | Paid |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Linen-Blend Notch-Neck T-Shirt | Preppy Navy | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Notch-Neck T-Shirt | New Off White | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Notch-Neck T-Shirt | Deep Sea Teal | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Henley | New Off White | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Henley | Lazuli Blue | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Henley | Blue Ravine | M | $40.00 | $15.00 |
| Linen-Blend Polo | Lazuli Blue | M | $60.00 | $20.98 — FINAL SALE, NO RETURNS |
Subtotal $161.97 · Promos -$50.99 · Shipping $9.00 · Est Tax $9.57 · TOTAL $129.55 · APPLE PAY ending 0251
*** THE SIZE PROBLEM — THIS IS THE CHARLES TYRWHITT PATTERN REPEATING ***
- ALL SEVEN PIECES ARE SIZE M, bought Jul 6, 2025.
- The alpha ladder already documented in this workbook: LARGE (2024) to MEDIUM (2025) to SMALL (2026).
- PAUL JAMES WAS CUTTING HIM SMALL BY AUG 2025 — ONE MONTH AFTER THIS ORDER. Charles Tyrwhitt reached Small by
Feb 2026. Suitsupply knitwear is S.
- THEREFORE: these seven linen pieces are very likely TOO BIG NOW, and were probably marginal within weeks of
arriving. That is $129.55 and seven garments at risk.
- IT IS THE SAME FAILURE AS CHARLES TYRWHITT, where 20 of 59 pieces ($1,105.55) ended up unwearable because the
body moved faster than the buying. The mechanism is identical: alpha sizing bought during a transition.
- ACTION: TRY THESE ON BEFORE NEXT SUMMER. If they are too big, the same question applies to every 2024-2025
Banana Republic order — and four more sit unread.
- ONE PIECE CANNOT BE RETURNED REGARDLESS: the Lazuli Blue Polo was FINAL SALE.
WHAT ELSE THIS ORDER ESTABLISHES
- CONTENT CONFIRMED EXACTLY AS DESCRIBED: linen t-shirts and polos. Three notch-neck tees, three henleys, one
polo. All "Linen-Blend" — blend, not pure linen.
- THE HENLEY IS A NEW GARMENT TYPE for this workbook. Nothing else in the register is a henley.
- PRICING: bought at 50-65% off. $40 tees at $15, a $60 polo at $20.98. Subtotal $161.97 became $110.98 before
shipping and tax. THE VOLUME LANE, confirmed — same logic as Mauvais "cheap enough".
- COLOURS: Preppy Navy, Lazuli Blue x2, Blue Ravine, Deep Sea Teal, New Off White x2. FIVE OF SEVEN ARE BLUE OR
TEAL, two are off-white. Extends both the dominant navy/blue thread and the summer-white thread precisely.
- APPLE PAY ending 0251 IS A FIFTH PAYMENT ROUTE. Known so far: cards (4569, 9569, 6516, 3188), PayPal, Klarna,
Afterpay, and now Apple Pay. Any spend reconciliation has to cover all of them.
- Shipping $9.00 and tax $9.57 (about 8.6%, consistent with every other Oklahoma order in the workbook).
STILL UNREAD: 1MMRL4V (same day, 12 min later), 1MYC4DD, 1K3WDHL, 1YQBTKB, 1PS8JWR, 1Q1269G, 1QTFP23, 1R03L81,
1R4PMVW — NINE ORDERS. Plus more beyond the first page of both searches.
*** SIZE QUESTION RESOLVED — Owner, Aug 14, 2026. NO ACTION NEEDED. ***
"Every other order from them is small. I gave all the mediums to my father in law."
- The seven size-M linen pieces from 1MMRW2J (Jul 6, 2025) are NO LONGER OWNED. They were given away.
- EVERY OTHER BANANA REPUBLIC / FACTORY ORDER IS SIZE SMALL. The nine unread orders can be assumed S unless a
confirmation says otherwise — but confirm rather than assume when reading them.
- So this is NOT a repeat of the Charles Tyrwhitt problem in outcome. CT left 20 unwearable pieces sitting in
the wardrobe; here the mis-sized garments were identified and moved on. Same buying error, better resolution.
*** NEW: A DISPOSAL ROUTE EXISTS, AND THE WORKBOOK HAD NEVER RECORDED ONE ***
- FATHER-IN-LAW receives outgrown or mis-sized garments.
- Until now this register has been append-only: it records what was BOUGHT and silently assumes everything is
still owned. That assumption is now known to be false.
- CONSEQUENCE: "captured spend" and "current wardrobe" are DIFFERENT NUMBERS and the workbook does not
distinguish them. Every count in the Summary tab is a purchase count, not a possession count.
- WORTH ASKING ACROSS THE BOARD, especially: the 20 too-big Charles Tyrwhitt pieces ($1,105.55), the two stray
Suitsupply size-M knitwear pieces, the Hogan loafers (owned, too big, low rotation), and the returned-or-not
Thomas Bird Ellington in 43. Some may already be gone.
- SUGGESTED: add an OWNERSHIP STATUS column — owned / given away / returned / unresolved.
COMPLETE ORDER REGISTER — Aug 14, 2026. ELEVEN ORDERS, NOT TEN.
A full subject search ("Banana Republic" order confirmation) returns 11 confirmations across TWO senders.
The previous entry recorded 10. The extra orders are the summer 2026 run, which post-dates the earlier search.
BANANA REPUBLIC FACTORY — orders@email.bananarepublicfactory.com
1R4PMVW Jul 4, 2026 READ $60.83 3 items, all size S — see rows above
1R03L81 Jun 18, 2026 NOT READ
1QTFP23 Jun 15, 2026 NOT READ
1Q1269G Mar 17, 2026 NOT READ
1MYC4DD Jul 10, 2025 NOT READ
1MMRL4V Jul 6, 2025 NOT READ
1MMRW2J Jul 6, 2025 NOT READ — 12 minutes after 1MMRL4V, same day
BANANA REPUBLIC (main line) — orders@email.bananarepublic.com
1PS8JWR Mar 9, 2026 NOT READ — SAME DAY as the Mauvais return enquiry and the eBay rebuy
1PMHQ0C Feb 16, 2026 NOT READ
1YQBTKB Nov 28, 2025 NOT READ
1K3WDHL Nov 2, 2024 NOT READ — oldest; sits beside the Afterpay J.Crew and Nordstrom charges
WHAT ORDER 1R4PMVW ESTABLISHES
- SIZE S, confirmed by primary source on all three items. The owner-stated Small is now evidenced, not just asserted.
- Product line: Standard-Fit LINEN-BLEND Notch T-Shirt x2 and Standard-Fit LINEN-BLEND Henley x1.
Colours: Wicked, Seaport Blue, Preppy Navy. Navy again; no white in this order.
- "Standard-Fit" is the BR cut name. Everything else he buys is slim, extra-slim or MTM. Worth a fit verdict —
a standard-fit S may be the loosest garment class in the wardrobe, and he has been migrating tighter since 2025.
- HEAVY DISCOUNTING: list $45.00 each, paid $18.00 / $22.50 / $22.50, then a further promo of -$15.75 across
the order. $135 of list became $47.25 of merchandise — a 65% discount. Same pattern as Allen Edmonds.
- Shipping $9.50 and tax $4.08 were both charged. BR Factory is NOT a free-shipping, zero-tax channel like Kato.
THE JUL 6, 2025 PAIR — 12 MINUTES APART
1MMRW2J at 21:05:53 and 1MMRL4V at 21:18:04, same evening. Twelve minutes is too short for a size correction;
this is far more likely a split cart or a second checkout after something went out of stock. DO NOT assume it is
a size event — the Kato four-day hypothesis was already wrong once this session for exactly this kind of reasoning.
READING ORDER WHEN THIS RESUMES
1. 1PS8JWR (Mar 9, 2026) — same-day link to the Mauvais return. Could explain what was actually wrong.
2. 1QTFP23 + 1R03L81 (Jun 2026) — the Belize/summer run, current sizing.
3. The Jul 2025 pair, to settle the 12-minute question.
4. 1K3WDHL (Nov 2024) — oldest, and the alpha-size ladder says this era should be LARGE or MEDIUM, not Small.
ORDER 1PS8JWR — READ Aug 14, 2026. THE BIGGEST BR ORDER, AND IT CHANGES THE SIZE PICTURE.
Mar 9, 2026 · 8 items · subtotal $559.96 · shipping FREE · tax $48.30 · TOTAL $608.26 · Mastercard 4523.
Arithmetic checks exactly. Tax rate 8.626% — matches the Proper Cloth rate (8.62-8.63%) to three decimals.
Linen-Cotton Slub Sweater Polo — The Blues S $120.00 full price
Linen-Cotton Slub Sweater Polo — Cream White S $120.00 full price
Textured Cotton LS Sweater Polo — White S $44.99 was $98.00
Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Soft Yellow S $54.99 was $90.00
Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Bright Blue S $54.99 was $90.00
Merino Crew-Neck Sweater — Antique Ruby Red S $54.99 was $90.00
Relaxed Linen T-Shirt — Black M $55.00 full price
Relaxed Linen T-Shirt — Cream White M $55.00 full price
*** SIX ITEMS IN S, TWO IN M — ON THE SAME ORDER, THE SAME DAY ***
This is the first evidence anywhere that he deliberately splits size within a single order. Both M items are the
SAME GARMENT: the Relaxed Linen T-Shirt, in black and cream white.
READING: the M is driven by the CUT, not by drift. "Relaxed" is BR's loose fit; a relaxed tee sized S would be
close to the body, which defeats the point of it. Six S items and two M on one order is a choice, not an error.
THIS IS NOT PROVEN. What would prove it: whether these two survive, or went to the father-in-law like the seven
size-M linen pieces from Jul 2025. ASK — it is the difference between a rule and a mistake.
WHY IT MATTERS FOR THE ALPHA LADDER
The ladder reads LARGE (2024) -> MEDIUM (2025) -> SMALL (2026, current). This order is Mar 2026 and is mostly S,
which holds. But it shows the ladder is NOT the whole story: cut name overrides position on the ladder. A
"Relaxed" or "Standard-Fit" garment may still be bought a size up on purpose.
Compare order 1R4PMVW (Jul 4, 2026): three STANDARD-FIT items, all S. So Standard-Fit went S but Relaxed went M.
THE MAR 9, 2026 CLUSTER — three purchases, one day
Mar 9, 2026 now has THREE events: this $608.26 BR order · the Mauvais return enquiry · the eBay Mauvais rebuy.
The BR order does NOT explain the Mauvais return — different brand, different category (tops vs chinos), and
nothing here is a chino or a W30. The same-day link is COINCIDENCE OF A SHOPPING SESSION, not causation.
Recording this explicitly so the connection is not re-drawn later: it was checked and it does not hold.
COMMERCIAL NOTES
- BR MAIN LINE gives FREE shipping. BR FACTORY charged $9.50 on 1R4PMVW. Two different shipping regimes.
- Half this order was full price ($350.00 of $559.96). That breaks the "heavy discounting" pattern seen at
BR Factory and Allen Edmonds — he pays full freight on the BR main line for the pieces he actually wants.
- The two $120 Linen-Cotton Slub Sweater Polos are the most expensive knitwear in the workbook outside Suitsupply.
- COLOUR: The Blues, Cream White, White, Soft Yellow, Bright Blue, Antique Ruby Red, Black, Cream White.
Soft Yellow and Antique Ruby Red are OUTSIDE the navy/purple/black signature — the widest colour spread of any
single order in the workbook. Worth a fit-and-wear verdict; these may be the least-worn items owned.
*** CORRECTION — Aug 14, 2026: THE TWO SIZE-M TEES WERE FOR HIS WIFE ***
Owner, same day: "those were for my wife. those mediums in that order."
The two Relaxed Linen T-Shirts (Black and Cream White, size M) on order 1PS8JWR are NOT Jesse's garments.
My "relaxed cut explains the M" reading was WRONG. There was no cut-driven size split. The order is SIX items
for Jesse, all size S, plus two items for someone else.
WHAT THIS BREAKS, AND IT IS BIGGER THAN ONE ORDER
The entire workbook has silently assumed EVERY purchase in this mailbox is Jesse's own garment. That assumption
is now falsified by primary confirmation from the owner. Household purchases sit in the same order stream.
CONSEQUENCES:
1. Any off-ladder size is now suspect as a possible gift or household purchase rather than size drift.
The alpha ladder (L 2024 -> M 2025 -> S 2026) must be built ONLY from garments confirmed as his.
2. Captured spend includes money spent on other people. It is a spend total, not a wardrobe total.
3. The seven size-M Banana Republic linen pieces from Jul 2025 recorded as "given to father-in-law" may be a
DIFFERENT case — given away after purchase — or may have been bought for someone else from the start.
DO NOT merge the two cases. Ask which it was.
THE FIX — a RECIPIENT column, not just an OWNERSHIP STATUS column
The handoff already proposes OWNERSHIP STATUS (owned / given away / returned). That is not sufficient on its own.
A garment bought for the wife was NEVER his and never entered his wardrobe — that is a different fact from a
garment he owned and then gave away. Two columns are needed:
RECIPIENT — Jesse / wife / gift / household / unknown
OWNERSHIP STATUS — owned / given away / returned / unresolved
Without RECIPIENT, every future size analysis is exposed to the same error I just made.
RE-READ EVERY BR ORDER WITH THIS IN MIND. Any size that does not match the ladder for its date is now a
QUESTION FOR THE OWNER, not evidence of drift.
ORDER 1QTFP23 — READ Aug 14, 2026
Jun 15, 2026 · BR FACTORY · 2 items · subtotal $45.00 · promos -$9.00 · ship $9.50 · tax $3.11 · TOTAL $48.61
Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Yellow Limestone S $14.40 (list $45.00)
Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt — Wicked S $21.60 (list $45.00)
Both size S. Apple Pay 0106 — same payment method as 1R4PMVW.
*** THE SAME SKU BOUGHT TWICE, THREE WEEKS APART, AT TWO DIFFERENT PRICES ***
SKU 8584050910001, Standard-Fit Linen-Blend Notch T-Shirt in "Wicked", size S:
Jun 15, 2026 (1QTFP23) paid $21.60
Jul 4, 2026 (1R4PMVW) paid $13.50 — 37.5% cheaper, same garment, same size, 19 days later
This is the DECISION-ELIMINATION pattern in its clearest form yet: he wore the first one, it worked, he bought
another of the identical thing. It also shows BR Factory pricing moves fast — waiting three weeks cut the price
by more than a third. The duplicate is deliberate, not a data error.
SUMMER 2026 LINEN RUN — the pattern across the three most recent orders
Jun 15 ($48.61, 2 tees) · Jun 18 (NOT READ) · Jul 4 ($60.83, 2 tees + 1 henley). All BR FACTORY, all size S,
all Standard-Fit Linen-Blend. Colours so far: Yellow Limestone, Wicked x2, Seaport Blue, Preppy Navy.
BR Factory is functioning as the cheap linen-tee channel — $13-22 a piece against $45 list. Contrast the BR MAIN
line order 1PS8JWR, where he paid $120 full price for sweater polos. Two channels, two completely different roles.
*** ORDER 1R03L81 — THE WHITE LINEN SHORTS. OPEN ITEM #22 IS CLOSED. ***
Jun 18, 2026 · BR FACTORY · 4 items · subtotal $155.00 · promos -$31.00 · ship $9.50 · tax $10.70 · TOTAL $144.20
Slim-Fit 7in Linen-Blend Short — Grey Stripe 29 qty 1 $28.00 (list $80.00)
Slim-Fit 7in Linen-Blend Short — SOFT WHITE 29 qty 3 $96.00 (list $80.00 each)
THIS IS THE CATEGORY THE WORKBOOK HAS BEEN MISSING SINCE THE BEGINNING.
Open item #22 read: "SHORTS — not one pair anywhere, and he owns many, many white linen ones."
The Mauvais beige stretch-chino shorts (Mar 2026) partly answered it. This closes it properly:
THREE PAIRS OF WHITE LINEN SHORTS, bought together, plus a grey stripe. Banana Republic Factory was the source
all along — and it was invisible because the brand sends from bananarepublicfactory.com, not bananarepublic.com.
The "don't filter by brand domain" rule found this.
*** A NEW WAIST NUMBER: BR SIZE 29 ***
These shorts are sized 29 — a numeric waist, not an alpha size. That is a genuinely new data point.
WAIST LADDER, now six brands:
Mauvais 28 · Suitsupply base 28 (trouser BODY) · BANANA REPUBLIC 29 · Kato 29 · Naked & Famous 29 · Archer 30
— against a measured 33 body waist.
BR lands with Kato and N&F at 29, the modal ready-to-wear number. That is now THREE independent RTW brands at 29,
which makes 29 the most reliable off-the-peg waist in the workbook. Only Archer (MTM, 30 = true waist) and
Mauvais/Suitsupply (28) sit outside it.
THE DECISION-ELIMINATION PATTERN, MOST EXPLICIT INSTANCE YET
THREE identical pairs of white shorts on one line of one order. Owner, previously: "White shorts or white pants
every day. Nothing to think about." This is that statement as a transaction.
Cross-reference: Kato Pen Slim x9 · N&F Super Guy x4 · Mauvais white chinos x4 · CT re-bought SKUs · BR Wicked tee x2.
Duplicate rows in this workbook are a FEATURE OF THE OWNER, never a data error. Do not de-duplicate them.
SPEC WORTH KEEPING
SLIM-FIT, 7 INCH INSEAM. That is the first shorts length recorded anywhere. Contrast the outerwear cuts: BR tees
are STANDARD-FIT and the wife's tees were RELAXED, but the shorts are SLIM — consistent with the documented
loose-to-snug migration on lower-body garments specifically.
DISCOUNT: $320 of list (4 x $80) became $124.00 of merchandise — 61% off. Same deep-discount behaviour as the tees.
*** RESOLVED Aug 14, 2026 — THE JUL 2025 SIZE-M LINEN PIECES ***
Owner: "i bought that first round for myself and realized they were too big. they were cheap enough that i just
gave them to my father in law."
SO THE RECORD IS:
RECIPIENT = JESSE. Bought for himself.
OWNERSHIP STATUS = GIVEN AWAY — to father-in-law, after discovering they were too big.
This is NOT the same as the wife's tees, and the difference is the whole point of having two columns.
*** TWO SIZE-M BANANA REPUBLIC CASES. SAME SIZE. OPPOSITE MEANINGS. ***
Jul 2025, 7 linen pieces, size M -> Jesse / GIVEN AWAY. THIS IS SIZE EVIDENCE.
Mar 2026, 2 linen tees, size M -> Wife / OWNED by her. THIS IS NOT SIZE EVIDENCE.
An analysis that reads both as "Jesse wore M" is wrong twice over: it counts a garment that was never his, and
it misses that the other one FAILED on him. Recipient and status are not bookkeeping — they change the finding.
*** WHAT THIS DATES — A REAL FIX ON THE ALPHA LADDER ***
The ladder reads LARGE (2024) -> MEDIUM (2025) -> SMALL (2026). The Jul 2025 M is now a MEASURED FAILURE POINT,
not just a purchase: by July 2025 Medium was already too big on him.
Corroboration, independent and one month later: PAUL JAMES cut him SMALL in Aug 2025.
Two brands, four weeks apart, agreeing that the M-to-S crossover had already happened by mid-2025.
CONSEQUENCE: Charles Tyrwhitt selling him MEDIUM linen in Apr 2025 and not reaching Small until Feb 2026 means
CT lagged his actual body by roughly TEN MONTHS. The workbook already suspected CT was slow; this dates it.
THE DISPOSAL ROUTE IS NOW CHARACTERISED
Father-in-law receives garments that are (a) too big and (b) cheap enough not to be worth returning.
That is a PRICE-DEPENDENT disposal rule. It predicts where to look for other gaps:
- CHEAP + too big -> given away OR RETAINED. Price does not decide it. [CORRECTED Aug 14, 2026]
- COSTLY + too big -> returned, and a return/refund trail should exist (Archer 3194, Mauvais W30, AE 9.0).
RULE FALSIFIED SAME DAY — see Shirt Inventory. The too-big Charles Tyrwhitt pieces were NOT given away:
they are BOXED IN STORAGE as a hedge against weight regain. There is a THIRD state, RETAINED, and it is
ACTION WHEN THE JUL 2025 ORDERS ARE READ (1MMRW2J, 1MMRL4V, 1MYC4DD):
Tag every size-M line RECIPIENT=Jesse / STATUS=GIVEN AWAY (father-in-law). Do not mark them UNRESOLVED —
the disposal is already confirmed by the owner; only the line items and prices are outstanding.
Bonobos
BONOBOS — FOUND Aug 14, 2026. THE "ZERO RECORDS" CLAIM WAS WRONG.
*** THE WORKBOOK SAID BONOBOS HAD NO EMAIL RECORDS AT ALL. IT HAS AT LEAST SIX ORDERS. ***
Prior entry: "Bonobos has a large holding (many, many white chino and linen shorts) with ZERO email records —
account export required." That was based on searches that returned only marketing.
It is now disproved. The orders were always there. THREE separate sender domains were hiding them:
Bonobos@news.bonobos.com — MARKETING ONLY. 1,357 messages. This is what every earlier search hit.
no-reply@bonobos.com — "Your Bonobos Order is ready to Ship" — CARRIES THE ORDER NUMBER AND DATE
alerts+bonobos@getconvey.com — "Has Shipped" / "Arriving Today" — CARRIES THE ITEM, SIZE AND COLOUR
getconvey.com is a third-party delivery-tracking vendor. NOTHING in that domain name contains the word Bonobos,
so no brand-domain search could ever have found it. This is the strongest example yet of why the rule is
"search by subject and product name, never by sender domain".
| Order # | Ordered | Ready to ship | Item detail captured so far | Source | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 329694063 | Mar 17, 2026 | Mar 19, 2026 | Linen Polo — WHITE, size S (2+ lines seen) | no-reply + convey | Delivered Mar 24, 2026. Size S — matches the current alpha ladder. |
| 328913331 | Aug 3, 2025 | Aug 4, 2025 | not yet read | no-reply + convey | Shipped Aug 5, 2025. |
| 328821897 | Jun 19, 2025 | Jun 19, 2025 | The CHINO SHORT 2.0 — 29 x 7in, PEARL GREY, SLIM | no-reply + convey | Delivered Jun 21, 2025. SHORTS, waist 29, 7in inseam, SLIM fit. |
| 328674245 | Jun 3, 2025 | Jun 3, 2025 | not yet read | no-reply + convey | Shipped same day. |
| 328355994 | Apr 10, 2025 | Apr 10, 2025 | not yet read | no-reply + convey | Shipped same day. |
| 326394400 | Mar 19, 2025 | Mar 20, 2025 | Performance Merino Shirt — DARK BURGUNDY, size M (Reg) | no-reply + convey | Delivered Mar 22, 2025. SIZE M — see the ladder note below. |
SIX ORDERS CONFIRMED — more may exist beyond the first 15 results
*** NO PRICES ANYWHERE YET ***
These are SHIPPING notifications, not order confirmations. They carry order number, date, item, size and colour —
but NOT price, subtotal, tax or total. Bonobos spend is currently $0 captured against a known-large holding.
The purchase-confirmation email (if it exists in this mailbox) has a different subject and has not been found.
DO NOT estimate Bonobos spend. Nothing is known about it.
*** THE CHINO SHORT 2.0 — WAIST 29, 7in INSEAM, SLIM ***
This is the shorts block the workbook has been chasing.
Bonobos Chino Short 2.0 29 x 7in SLIM Jun 2025
Banana Republic Slim-Fit 29 x 7in SLIM Jun 2026
IDENTICAL SPEC, TWO BRANDS, TWELVE MONTHS APART. Waist 29, 7-inch inseam, slim fit, both bought in June.
That is now a settled shorts pattern, not a one-off. It also puts BONOBOS on the waist ladder at 29, joining
Kato, Naked & Famous and Banana Republic. FOUR independent RTW brands at 29.
*** THE MAR 2025 MERINO SHIRT IS SIZE M — AND THAT IS CONSISTENT ***
Dark Burgundy Performance Merino Shirt, size M (Reg), Mar 2025.
The alpha ladder reads LARGE 2024 -> MEDIUM 2025 -> SMALL 2026. A Medium in March 2025 sits exactly where the
ladder predicts. The Jul 2025 Banana Republic M failure came four months later.
So this shirt was bought at the tail of his Medium period. WHETHER HE STILL HAS IT IS UNKNOWN — it may have gone
the way of the BR linen. Ask. Do not assume it is on hand.
And the Mar 2026 Linen Polo is size S, one year later, matching the current ladder. Bonobos independently
corroborates the M-to-S crossover.
COLOURS SO FAR: White (linen polo), Pearl Grey (shorts), Dark Burgundy (merino shirt).
Dark Burgundy is notable — it is in the purple family, the documented secondary signature.
WHAT TO DO NEXT ON BONOBOS
1. Read the four unread "ready to Ship" / "Arriving Today" pairs — they carry item, size and colour.
2. Search deeper: only the first 15 results were examined and more results exist. There are likely MORE than six
orders. Paginate the "Your Bonobos order" query to exhaustion.
3. Hunt the actual purchase confirmation for prices — try subjects like "order confirmation", "thanks for your
order", or the order NUMBER itself (e.g. 328821897) as a free-text query.
4. GUIDESHOP: Bonobos runs physical Guideshops and the owner's holding is large. In-store purchases may produce
no email at all. The card-statement route remains necessary for those.
*** BREAKTHROUGH — THE ORDER NUMBER IS THE SEARCH KEY ***
Searching the free-text ORDER NUMBER (328821897) surfaced a subject that no other query had returned:
"Bonobos Order Confirmation" — from no-reply@bonobos.com — WITH FULL PRICING.
The shipping notifications never link to it, and the phrase "Bonobos order" does not match it strongly enough
to rank. Use the ORDER NUMBER, not the brand name, to find the money.
ORDER 328821897 — Jun 19, 2025 — READ IN FULL
2 x The Chino Short 2.0 29in x 7in BRILLIANT WHITE Slim $89.00 -> $66.75 ea
1 x The Chino Short 2.0 29in x 7in ICE BLUE Slim $89.00 -> $66.75
1 x The Chino Short 2.0 29in x 7in PEARL GREY Slim $89.00 -> $66.75
Shipping $0.00 · 4 items $356.00 · Tax $23.02 · BUNDLE DISCOUNT -$89.00 · ORDER TOTAL $290.02
Arithmetic verified: 356.00 - 89.00 + 23.02 = 290.02 exactly.
Ship + bill: jesse myers, 7836 NW 131st, Oklahoma City OK 73142, T: 4054643333.
*** THE WHITE SHORTS ARE FOUND — AND THE CONVEY EMAIL WAS MISLEADING ***
The delivery-tracking email showed only "Pearl Grey". The actual order is FOUR pairs in THREE colours, and TWO
of them are BRILLIANT WHITE. Anyone reading only the shipping notification would have recorded the wrong thing.
LESSON: the Convey "arriving today" emails truncate the item list. They are a discovery tool, NOT a source of
record. Always chase the order number through to the confirmation.
THE BUNDLE DISCOUNT IS THE PRICING MECHANIC
Four shorts at $89.00 list = $356.00, less a flat -$89.00 bundle discount = exactly one free pair. Effective
$66.75 each, a clean 25% off. Buy-4-get-1-free in effect.
THIS REWARDS THE DUPLICATE-BUYING HABIT DIRECTLY. The decision-elimination pattern documented across Kato,
Naked & Famous, Mauvais and Banana Republic is, at Bonobos, financially optimal rather than merely characteristic.
WHITE SHORTS RUNNING COUNT — the "many, many" claim is now evidenced
Bonobos Brilliant White x2 29 x 7in slim Jun 2025
Banana Republic Soft White x3 29 x 7in slim Jun 2026
FIVE pairs of white shorts across two brands, identical spec, both bought in June.
Plus Ice Blue and Pearl Grey (Bonobos) and Grey Stripe (BR) as the non-white companions.
Owner: "White shorts or white pants every day. Nothing to think about." This is that sentence as a ledger.
CONFIRMED SPEC — the shorts block is now fully specified
Waist 29 · Inseam 7 inches · SLIM fit · stretch washed chino · list $89.00
Product: bonobos.com/products/stretch-washed-chino-short-2-0
This matches the Banana Republic Slim-Fit 7in Linen-Blend Short at waist 29 exactly on every dimension except fabric.
NEXT: run the same ORDER-NUMBER search on the other five known orders:
329694063 · 328913331 · 328674245 · 328355994 · 326394400
Each should surface its own "Bonobos Order Confirmation" with full pricing. Bonobos captured spend is currently
$290.02 of an unknown but certainly larger true figure.
ORDER 329694063 — Mar 17, 2026 — READ IN FULL. NINE ITEMS, $502.60.
Found at search offset 5 — the confirmation does NOT rank in the top 5 for its own order number. Paginate.
1 x Chino Short 2.0 29x7in CELESTIAL BLUE Slim $89.00
2 x Chino Short 2.0 29x7in OYSTER GREY Slim $89.00 ea
2 x Chino Short 2.0 29x7in BRILLIANT WHITE Slim $89.00 ea
1 x Linen Polo S WHITE $49.00 FINAL SALE
1 x Linen Polo S BLACK $49.00 FINAL SALE
2 x Coastal Linen Short 29x7in COCONUT MILK $59.00 ea
Shipping $0.00 · 9 items $661.00 · Tax $39.90 · PROMO -$198.30 (exactly 30%) · TOTAL $502.60
Verified: 661.00 - 198.30 + 39.90 = 502.60 exactly. Quantities sum to 9, matching the stated item count.
*** THE WHITE LINEN SHORTS — FOUND, AND THEY ARE A DIFFERENT PRODUCT ***
2 x COASTAL LINEN SHORT in COCONUT MILK, 29in x 7in, $59.00 each.
This is a SEPARATE product line from the Chino Short 2.0 — bonobos.com/products/coastal-linen-short — and it is
genuine LINEN, not stretch washed chino. Coconut Milk is an off-white/cream.
Open item #22 asked for "white LINEN shorts". The Banana Republic pairs were linen-BLEND; the Mauvais pairs were
stretch chino. THESE are the actual white linen shorts, and they are Bonobos.
*** BRILLIANT WHITE BOUGHT TWICE — 9 MONTHS APART, IDENTICAL SKU ***
Jun 19, 2025 order 328821897 2 x Chino Short 2.0, Brilliant White, 29x7 slim @ $66.75
Mar 17, 2026 order 329694063 2 x Chino Short 2.0, Brilliant White, 29x7 slim @ $89.00 list
FOUR pairs of the identical short in the identical colour and size. The second buy was at FULL LIST before promo,
the first at a 25% bundle rate. He paid MORE the second time for the same thing.
This is the clearest possible case for the ON-HAND page: not a warning, but the count he should see before
ordering a fifth. The re-buy is consistent with the documented habit — it is only a mistake if he did not know.
WHITE / OFF-WHITE SHORTS — RUNNING TOTAL
Bonobos Brilliant White x2 Jun 2025 chino
Bonobos Brilliant White x2 Mar 2026 chino
Bonobos Coconut Milk x2 Mar 2026 LINEN
Banana Republic Soft White x3 Jun 2026 linen blend
NINE pairs of white or off-white shorts, all waist 29, all 7in inseam, across two brands and three fabrics.
"Many, many white linen shorts" was an understatement, and the workbook recorded ZERO of them until today.
FINAL SALE FLAG — the two Linen Polos cannot be returned
Both Linen Polos (White and Black, size S) are marked "Item is final sale. No returns or exchanges."
That matters for the ownership column: if either does not fit, it CANNOT have been returned. It was kept, given
away, or is sitting unworn. Worth asking specifically.
PRICING MECHANICS — Bonobos runs two different discount structures
Jun 2025 (328821897): BUNDLE DISCOUNT, flat -$89.00 on 4 shorts = one free pair, 25% effective.
Mar 2026 (329694063): PROMO, -$198.30 on $661.00 = exactly 30% off the whole order.
Both give free shipping. Neither is a small discount. He does not appear to buy Bonobos at full price.
Naked & Famous
NAKED & FAMOUS DENIM — REAL BRAND, 3 ORDERS, 4 PAIRS, $747.00
Source: owner-supplied Shopify account order pages, Aug 14, 2026. Montreal, Canada. Shop 3220537.
*** THIS TAB PREVIOUSLY SAID "MARKETING ONLY, NO PURCHASE EVIDENCE." THAT WAS WRONG. ***
| Order | Confirmed | Delivered | Item | Size | Subtotal | Ship | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 199143 | Jan 11 | Jan 14 | Super Guy — BLACK COBRA Stretch Selvedge | 29 | 193.00 | 10.00 | 203.00 |
| 199385 | Jan 14 | Jan 16 | Super Guy — INDIGO / Indigo Stretch Selvedge | 29 | 186.00 | 10.00 | 196.00 |
| 201252 | Jan 31 | Feb 5 | Super Guy — BLACK Power Stretch | 29 | 167.00 | — | — |
| 201252 | Jan 31 | Feb 5 | Super Guy — INDIGO Power Stretch | 29 | 171.00 | 10.00 | 348.00 |
| TOTAL — 4 pairs | 717.00 | 30.00 | 747.00 |
YEAR NOT PRINTED ON THE ORDER PAGES. Shopify omits the year for recent orders; the pages were captured Aug 14,
2026, so these are almost certainly JANUARY 2026. INFERRED, NOT CONFIRMED — verify against a card statement.
WHY THE EMAIL SEARCH MISSED THESE — CORRECTED Aug 14, 2026, TWICE
- FIRST EXPLANATION (wrong): "the orders used a different mailbox." The owner confirms jesse@myerspartyofthree.com
and jesse@jessncass.com are BOTH ALIASES ON THE SINGLE MAILBOX jesse_myers@2057hldgs.com. There is one mailbox,
not three. Searching it covers all three addresses. That explanation was invalid.
- SECOND EXPLANATION (also wrong): "Shopify sends from its own domain so the sender filter hid them."
- TESTED DIRECTLY: a full-text search for "Super Guy Selvedge" across the mailbox — no sender filter at all —
returns ONE result, a marketing email. The order confirmations for 199143, 199385 and 201252 ARE SIMPLY NOT IN
THE MAILBOX. Not mis-filtered. Not in another alias. Absent.
THE REAL LESSON, AND IT IS BIGGER THAN THIS BRAND
THE EMAIL ARCHIVE IS AN INCOMPLETE SOURCE. This is now the THIRD independent proof:
1. COVENANT BROTHERS — no emails at all, traced only through bank alert notifications.
2. ALLEN EDMONDS — the account export was needed, and even then was incomplete at BOTH ends (5 pre-export
orders found in the PST archive, 1 post-export order found in email).
3. NAKED & FAMOUS — four pairs, $747, zero order emails anywhere in the mailbox.
CONSEQUENCE: "no order emails found" NEVER establishes that a brand was not bought from. It establishes only
that no email survived. THE BRAND ACCOUNT PAGE IS THE AUTHORITATIVE SOURCE — it produced these three orders in
full when the mailbox produced nothing.
ACTION: the PAUL EVANS "marketing only, no purchase evidence" verdict rests on exactly the failed test. It must
be re-checked against a Paul Evans account page before it can stand. Same for any other brand ruled out on
email absence alone.
2. ONE FIT PER BRAND, ALWAYS — "SUPER GUY" ON ALL FOUR PAIRS
Identical behaviour to Kato, where all read orders are "The Pen Slim". He finds one fit per maker and repeats
it without deviation. He varies FABRIC and COLOUR, never the cut. This is a reliable predictor for any future
denim purchase and should be treated as settled preference, not coincidence.
3. EVERY SINGLE PAIR IS STRETCH DENIM
Black Cobra STRETCH Selvedge · Indigo STRETCH Selvedge · Black POWER STRETCH · Indigo POWER STRETCH.
Four for four. And it is consistent with the wider record — the Sartoro trouser holding is dominated by
"Stretch" cloths (2605 Diamantia Teal Stretch, 2609 Navy Blue Stretch, and the Royal/Aqua/Sapphire/Navy
stretch pants). LIKELY EXPLANATION, NOT PROVEN: with a +2 waist-to-seat drop and a 19 in thigh, stretch
forgives a block that was never drafted for this body. Worth testing directly — does he own ANY rigid denim?
4. COLOUR SPLIT BETWEEN THE TWO DENIM BRANDS — a real contrast
Naked & Famous: Black, Indigo, Black, Indigo. Entirely conventional.
Hiroshi Kato: Bordeaux, Copper. Entirely unconventional.
Same body, same size, same nine-week window, opposite colour strategies. Kato is where the colour risk goes;
N&F is the staple. This mirrors Hangrr (wild colour) versus Suitsupply (core) in the tailoring lane.
5. THE DECEMBER-TO-FEBRUARY DENIM PHASE — the biggest concentrated buy in the workbook
Kato 88787 Dec 25 · N&F 199143 Jan 11 · N&F 199385 Jan 14 · Kato 90930 Jan 17 · Kato 91411 Jan 26 ·
Kato 91647 Jan 30 · N&F 201252 Jan 31 · Kato 92545 Feb 15 · Kato 93272 Feb 26.
NINE ORDERS, at least TEN PAIRS OF JEANS, in about nine weeks. Nothing else in this workbook clusters like
this — Sartoro took fourteen months to reach 33 orders. Two orders fall on Jan 30 and Jan 31, back to back
across the two brands.
THIS DESERVES ITS OWN QUESTION: what prompted it? A wardrobe gap, a fit discovery, or a category switch away
from tailored trousers? The eleven orphan trousers may be related.
6. THREE PAYMENT CARDS, AND THEY CROSS BRANDS
Visa 9569 (199143) · Visa 6516 (199385) · Mastercard 3188 (201252).
Kato used 4569 and 9569. Archer used 6516. So 9569 and 6516 both appear across multiple brands, and 3188 is
new to the workbook. Any spend reconciliation must cover at least four cards.
7. SHIPPING $10 FLAT, AND NO DUTY LINE — WATCH THIS
Shipping is $10.00 on every order and the method is "International Shipping" — N&F ships from Montreal.
NO DUTY OR IMPORT CHARGE APPEARS ON ANY OF THE THREE PAGES, and no sales tax either.
THE IDRESE PRECEDENT SAYS THIS MAY NOT BE THE WHOLE COST: DHL collected $40.08 separately on an Idrese order,
and the Paul James landed cost ran about 2.25x the shelf price. A cross-border order showing no duty on the
invoice is exactly the pattern that has understated totals twice before in this project.
ACTION: check the card statements for separate carrier duty charges around Jan 14, Jan 16 and Feb 5. If any
exist, the $747.00 is a FLOOR.
WHY THE BURST HAPPENED — answered by the owner, Aug 14, 2026
"I did not have many jeans that fitted me. I had gone nuts buying dress clothes, but not much jeans wise. So I
just wanted to stock up."
- The open question on this tab — what prompted nine denim orders in nine weeks — is now CLOSED. It was a
deliberate restock correcting an imbalance, not a fit discovery and not a category switch.
- It also explains the shape of the workbook itself: the dress-clothes concentration is real and he knew it.
*** THE RIGID DENIM EXPERIMENT — HE DID TRY, AND IT FAILED. QUANTIFIED. ***
Owner, Aug 14, 2026: "I did buy some rigid jeans. I could not find a pair that fit the way I liked."
THE NUMBERS HE GIVES:
- His thigh: 19 in. A SLIM rigid jean in his waist size finishes at only about 19.5 to 20 in through the thigh.
- That is ease of ONLY 0.5 TO 1.0 INCH.
- "When I would sit down there was zero give and very uncomfortable."
WHY NEITHER ESCAPE ROUTE WORKED:
- SIZING UP: fixed the thigh, but "made them too large in the waist." Predictable — his +2 waist-to-seat drop
means a bigger waist buys far more seat and waist than thigh.
- CUTTING UP from slim at the same waist: "still felt too baggy." Also predictable — a straight or regular block
adds volume through the seat and knee, the two places he already has surplus.
- HIS CONCLUSION, AND IT IS CORRECT: "slim with a bit of stretch is where I fit."
THIS SUPERSEDES MY EARLIER SPECULATION
- This tab previously guessed that stretch "forgives a block never drafted for this body," tied to the +2 drop.
That was inference. The real mechanism is narrower and now verified: it is a SITTING problem in the THIGH.
Standing, a rigid slim fits. Seated, thigh circumference grows and 0.5 in of ease runs out immediately.
- The slim leg does NOT buy him room. Slim blocks are cut proportionally slim, so a 19 in thigh meets a 19.5 in
garment. Being thin does not create ease — it just moves the whole grading down with him.
*** THE CROSS-CATEGORY PATTERN — STATIC FIT PASSES, DYNAMIC FIT FAILS ***
This is now the SECOND garment category showing the identical failure mode, and they were found independently:
JEANS — rigid slim. Fine standing. Fails SITTING. Thigh, 0.5-1 in ease.
SHIRTS — Charles Tyrwhitt Extra Slim, Blue Prince of Wales, wear log Aug 2026. "Fits at rest, CONSTRAINED IN
MOVEMENT" — third button pulls on leaning back, reaching around the back, elbows together behind the back.
Diagnosed as back width and armhole, NOT chest girth.
BOTH are range-of-motion failures on garments that measure correctly at rest. NEITHER is a girth problem.
THE RULE THIS ESTABLISHES: a static measurement will not predict whether a garment works on this body. Every fit
judgement must ask "what movement makes it pull?" — the wear-log method already adopted. Where a maker cannot
add movement ease, STRETCH FABRIC IS THE SUBSTITUTE. That is why the stretch preference runs through the Sartoro
trousers and all four N&F pairs alike.
COLOUR — CORRECTION. IT IS A SUPPLY CONSTRAINT, NOT A PREFERENCE.
- This tab previously read the black/indigo N&F palette as a deliberate "staple" strategy against Kato's
adventurous Bordeaux and Copper. WRONG.
- Owner: "I would order other colors in the Naked and Famous, but they didn't have many color variants in the
Super Guy stretch denim."
- He was CONSTRAINED, not choosing. Demand for colour is unmet, not absent. The Kato/N&F contrast reflects what
each brand stocks in his fit, not two different intentions.
- CONFIRMED BUYING TRIGGER: any new Super Guy stretch colourway is a live purchase candidate at size 29.
- ALREADY SPOTTED — a N&F marketing email of Mar 14, 2026 advertises "SUPER GUY - NIGHTSHADE STRETCH SELVEDGE".
That is a colour variant in the exact fit and fabric family he buys. Added to the Wishlist tab. Availability
and price NOT verified — the mail is five months old.
Archer Apparel
ARCHER APPAREL — weararcher.com — NEW BRAND, was entirely absent from this workbook
Source: order confirmations + a direct email thread with Trav at shop@weararcher.com. Found Aug 13, 2026.
MADE TO MEASURE. Trav, Nov 21 2025: "I do have your custom measurements in there too." This is a FIFTH MTM
relationship — alongside Sartoro, Suitsupply, Oliver Wicks and Black Lapel — and it is not in the Size Passport.
| Order | Ordered | Item | Size | Subtotal | Discount | Total | Status / notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 3194 | Jan 26, 2025 | The Cords — BLUE (confirmed, owner's own words) | not read | 198.00 | -49.50 ARCHER25 | 148.50 | RETURNED. Owner Feb 25, 2025: "I would like to return order 3194. Blue Cords." Return label issued, USPS 9302 0108 9960 0094 4127 77 — so it did ship back. Delivered Feb 24, returned within a day. |
| 3196 | Jan 26, 2025 | The Cords — colour NOT READ (Purple inferred) | not read | 198.00 | -49.50 ARCHER25 | 148.50 | Ordered the SAME DAY as 3194 but delivered May 1, 2025 — 66 days later. Colour inferred from a review request for "Purple // Cords" (May 12, 2025). |
| 3965 | Sep 29, 2025 | The Cords — BLACK | not read | not read | not read | NOT READ | Delivered Dec 19, 2025. Checkout confirmation L4P8XA5WQ. Colour from a review request for "Black // Cords" (Dec 29, 2025). PRICE STILL TO READ. |
| 4449 | Nov 21, 2025 | Sky Blue // The Cords | 30 / 31 | 238.00 | 0.00 | 238.00 | FULLY READ. Free shipping, ZERO tax. Card ending 6516, Ground. Checkout confirmation ZU07LGQEJ. Ordered mid-thread while chasing the 3194 return. |
CAPTURED SO FAR: $535.00 across 3 of 4 orders. This is a FLOOR — order 3965 is unpriced.
WHAT THIS BRAND ADDS THAT NOTHING ELSE DOES
- SIZE 30 / 31. Waist 30, inseam 31. Suitsupply cuts him on a base size 28 trouser. A 30 at Archer against a 28 at Suitsupply is a real cross-brand gap and should be understood before the next order at either.
- AN ALTERATION SPEC IN WRITING. Trav, Feb 27 2025: "These are great. I think we start with taking 1 inch off the seat and 1.5..." — the rest is cut off in the preview AND THAT MESSAGE HAS ATTACHMENTS. This is very likely the only Archer measurement record that exists. NOT YET READ — highest-value unread item for this brand.
- FOUR PAIRS OF CORDUROY TROUSERS. The workbook had ZERO corduroy before this. Every other trouser is wool, stretch, bamboo or tropical wool.
- COLOUR: Navy, Purple, Black, Sky Blue. Purple again — consistent with the sustained purple thread across Sartoro, Hangrr, Thomas Bird and Charles Tyrwhitt. Sky Blue is close to the Sartoro Sky Blue Windowpane group.
OPEN QUESTIONS
1. THE 3194 RETURN IS PROBABLY UNRESOLVED. The thread runs Feb 2025 to May 9, 2026. As late as Mar 2026 he was still asking "I was wanting to check on that pair of sky blue cords." Confirm whether a refund, credit or replacement ever landed.
2. TWO ADDRESSES, UNEXPLAINED. Shopify footers give "13 Orchard Street, Cos Cob CT 06807". A Nov 6 2025 mail from the brand describes production in "Rochester, New York". Both may be true — office vs factory — but it is unverified.
3. Order 3965 price, and the actual colour lines on 3194 and 3196 — all three need the order emails read.
4. Whether the 30/31 was chosen off the peg or cut to the custom measurements Trav holds.
THE FEB 2025 FIT THREAD — the most detailed trouser-fit record anywhere in this workbook
Read Aug 13, 2026. Between Feb 25 and Feb 27, 2025 Jesse and Trav diagnosed the fit in writing. Nothing else in the workbook — not Sartoro, not Suitsupply — states a trouser problem this precisely.
WHAT WAS WRONG (owner, Feb 25, 2025, verbatim points)
- Waist: FITS FINE. The waist was never the problem.
- Seat: "very baggy" — too wide in the hips.
- Rise: "too long".
- Thighs: "very billowy" — thigh circumference too large.
- His conclusion: "changing to a different size is not going to help." Correct — this is a body-shape mismatch, not a size error.
THE ALTERATION SPEC (Trav, Feb 27, 2025)
- Take 1.0 inch off the SEAT.
- Take 1.5 inches off the THIGH, tapering down to the knee.
- Knee down: unchanged, "they look good".
- LEG OPENING FLOOR: "I wouldn't go less than 6.75 inches." That is a hard minimum on the leg opening — the only such floor stated by any brand in this workbook.
THE RECONCILIATION THAT MATTERS MOST — why Archer 30 and Suitsupply 28 are both right
Trav, Feb 25, 2025: "I have a local customer with almost the exact same issue as yourself. His waist is a size 30/29.5 but he needs the BODY of the pants to be a size 28. This way he gets the correct waist size and reduces the seat, thigh, rise, knee and leg opening."
- THIS RESOLVES THE APPARENT CONFLICT. Archer cuts a 30 waist; Suitsupply cuts a base size 28 trouser. Both are correct, because the WAIST is a 30 and the BODY is a 28.
- That is the single sentence that explains every baggy-trouser complaint in this workbook. The waist measurement is not the governing dimension — the seat, thigh and rise are.
- It also independently corroborates the Suitsupply trouser profile, which was already the locked reference.
A SELF-REPORTING DISCREPANCY WORTH KNOWING ABOUT
- Feb 25, 2025, to Trav: "I'm about 6 feet tall, but like 165 lbs."
- The scale tab records 153.9 lb on Feb 26, 2025 — the very next day. The Apr 8, 2025 self-measurement gives 5 ft 10 in.
- So he overstated height by about 2 inches and weight by about 11 lb, to a maker who was about to cut trousers for him.
- THIS IS THE SAME PATTERN as the April 2025 "size 10" statement to Sartoro that this workbook already flags. Round numbers, rounded upward, given from memory rather than measurement.
- CONSEQUENCE: treat any dimension Jesse states from memory to a maker as approximate. Prefer measured garments and published profiles. The workbook already does this — this is a second confirmed instance.
OTHER FACTS FROM THE THREAD
- Archer makes every pair from scratch and saves the fit on file: "we can completely customize the fit for you. Then we save it on file, so you always get the perfect fit."
- Their manufacturer is described as the #1 suit/tailored facility in the US.
- Jesse asked to CANCEL or hold order 3196 (the purple cords) on Feb 25, 2025. It shipped anyway and was delivered May 1, 2025.
- He offered to send the measurements of his existing made-to-measure trousers: "I have several made to measure pants that I have had done recently. Could I send the measurements of those pants?" Whether he ever did is NOT established.
- Trav's direct line: 203.252.0165. Address confirmed on the return label as 13 Orchard St, Cos Cob CT 06807-2423 — so Cos Cob is the business address; the Rochester NY reference is likely production.
- THREE MIRROR PHOTOS were sent Feb 27, 2025 (IMG_7286.jpeg, IMG_7287.jpeg, IMG_7298.png) showing the fit problem. These are the only known photographic fit record in the project. NOT YET EXAMINED.
- The attached "Jesse Myers.pdf" is a USPS return label, NOT a measurement sheet. Checked and ruled out.
Hiroshi Kato
HIROSHI KATO — kato-brand.com — ALL SIX ORDERS NOW READ (Aug 14, 2026)
Japanese-style denim, made in the USA. Gardena, California. Shopify. Found Aug 13, 2026.
SIX ORDERS IN NINE WEEKS, 10 GARMENTS, $2,386.50 — a TRUE total. Every order shows free shipping and $0.00 tax,
and every line item is present on screen. Nothing is derived and nothing is a floor.
| Order | Confirmed | Item (as printed) | Size | Price | Order notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 88787 | Dec 25, 2025 | The Pen Slim etched — Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge | 29 | 193.5 | Order total $193.50. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 4569. UPS Ground. Ordered Christmas Day. Only 13oz in the set. |
| 90930 | Jan 17, 2026 | The Pen Slim — Rain 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 258 | Order total $258.00. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 6516 — SAME CARD as Archer order #4449. UPS Ground. |
| 91411 | Jan 26, 2026 | The Pen Slim — Copper Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 238 | Order total $238.00. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 9569. UPS Ground. |
| 91647 | Jan 30, 2026 | The Pen Slim — Gray Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 238 | THREE-PAIR ORDER, total $744.00. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 3188. UPS Ground. |
| 91647 | The Pen Slim — Dark Green Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 238 | ||
| 91647 | The Pen Slim — Dennis 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 268 | ||
| 92545 | Feb 15, 2026 | The Pen Slim — Chuck 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 248 | TWO-PAIR ORDER, total $486.00. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 3188. UPS Ground. |
| 92545 | The Pen Slim — Black Raw 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 238 | ||
| 93272 | Feb 26, 2026 | The Pen Slim Stretch 16w CORDUROY — Charcoal | 29 | 209 | TWO-PAIR ORDER, total $467.00. Free ship, $0 tax. Card ending 3188. UPS Ground. NOT DENIM — see below. |
| 93272 | The SCISSORS Slim tapered — Ace 10.5oz Selvedge | 29 | 258 | A SECOND KATO FIT — see below. | |
| TOTAL — 6 orders, 10 garments | 2386.5 | TRUE total. Free shipping and $0.00 tax on every order. |
THREE CLAIMS FROM THE PREVIOUS SESSION ARE NOW OVERTURNED
1. "The Jan 26 / Jan 30 pair is probably a size correction" — FALSE.
91647 is a THREE-PAIR order in size 29, the same size as 91411. Nothing was corrected. The four-day gap was
simply a second buy. The size-correction hypothesis is dead — do not resurrect it.
2. "He found one fit and repeated it" — FALSE.
Order 93272 contains "The SCISSORS Slim tapered — Ace 10.5oz Selvedge". That is a SECOND Kato fit, bought on
the most recent order. Pen Slim x9, Scissors Slim tapered x1. He IS experimenting, just late and once.
ACTION: the Scissors is the newest denim purchase in the workbook and its fit is UNREPORTED. Ask about it.
3. "Archer introduced corduroy; the workbook had ZERO corduroy before" — NOW WRONG ON EXCLUSIVITY.
Order 93272 also contains "The Pen Slim STRETCH 16w Corduroy — Charcoal". Kato sells corduroy too, and his is
a STRETCH corduroy. Archer is no longer the only corduroy source. See the stretch note below.
WHAT HELD UP
- SIZE 29 on all 10 garments, across 9 weeks, two fits and two fabrics. The most stable size reading in the workbook.
- "Chainstitch Hemming Service: No hemming needed" on ALL TEN lines. He declined the hemming service every time.
Combined with the known cuffing habit, the stock inseam is long enough to cuff — that is the real reading.
- Free shipping and $0.00 sales tax on all six orders. No exceptions, no duty, no surprises. Contrast Idrese and Paul James.
THE STRETCH-CORDUROY FINDING — this one matters for the Denim Rules
ONLY ONE OF THE TEN KATO GARMENTS IS CONFIRMED STRETCH. The Denim Rules tab currently says "all Kato 4-WAY
STRETCH SELVEDGE". The order data does not support that. Kato names the stretch product in the line item:
- 88787 is "The Pen Slim ETCHED — Bordeaux Raw 13oz Selvedge". Denim Rules already establishes ETCHED = Kato's
4-way stretch selvedge with a coloured weft. So 88787 is stretch, verified.
- 93272 is "The Pen Slim STRETCH 16w Corduroy — Charcoal". Stretch, verified, but it is CORDUROY not denim.
- The other EIGHT are printed plainly as "Raw ... Selvedge" with no etched and no stretch marker. Raw selvedge
is normally RIGID, and the Denim Rules tab records that 0% rigid FAILS on this body.
So either those eight are stretch and Kato just does not say so in the line item, or he owns eight pairs of the
exact fabric type the workbook says does not work for him. Both cannot be right.
ACTION — HIGHEST-VALUE KATO QUESTION: get the composition on one plain "Raw Selvedge" Pen Slim (the Black Raw from
92545 is the easiest to identify). It either confirms the 2%-4% window as a cross-brand rule or breaks it. Also worth
asking the owner directly how the plain raw pairs feel seated versus the Bordeaux — that is the dynamic-fit test
this workbook already knows is the one that matters.
PAYMENT — FOUR different cards across six orders
4569 (Dec 2025) · 6516 (Jan 17) · 9569 (Jan 26) · 3188 (Jan 30, Feb 15, Feb 26 — the settled card).
Card 6516 also paid for Archer order #4449. That is the first confirmed card link between two brands in this workbook
and it means a card-statement reconciliation could surface purchases whose order emails never arrived.
THE WAIST LADDER — unchanged and reinforced
Mauvais 28 · Suitsupply base 28 (trouser BODY) · KATO 29 · Naked & Famous 29 · Archer 30 (waist) — against a measured 33.
Ten Kato garments at 29 makes this the best-evidenced point on the ladder. Trav at Archer explains it: waist 30, body 28.
STILL OPEN ON KATO
1. Fabric composition / elastane % on the raw selvedge lines. Highest value — it tests the 2%-4% rule.
2. The Scissors Slim tapered — leg opening and fit verdict. It is a tapered cut, so the 13" opening may not hold.
3. What "Dennis", "Chuck", "Ace" and "Rain" actually look like.
4. Delivery dates — not captured for any of the six orders; only confirmation dates are recorded here.
5. Huckberry stocks Kato. A separate Huckberry search could surface pairs bought outside the direct channel.
Brand Verdicts
Brand Verdicts & Next Orders
Owner-reported fit outcomes, Aug 2026. This is the forward-looking sheet — what to order from whom, and what to change first.
| Brand | Verdict | Role in the wardrobe | Fit status | Do this next |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| SUITSUPPLY | LOCKED | Core tailoring. The benchmark. | PERFECT. 'I would order 20 more and not change a thing.' The Feb 18, 2026 profile is now validated in the real world by the Purple Wool Silk Linen jacket and trousers. | NOTHING. Do not touch the profile. Order freely. This is also the master reference every other brand should be restated against. |
| HANGRR | KEEP — with two fixes | BUDGET option for wild and unique colours. Deep Purple wool, Fuji Purple velvet. Where to take colour risks cheaply. | Wool suit MODERN-SLIM fits very well. PANTS A TAD LONG. Velvet blazer SLIM is too tight in the arms. Vest fit still not reported. | 1) SHORTEN THE PANT LENGTH — profile currently reads 40″; try 39.5″. 2) On any future blazer use REGULAR (Less Nipped), not SLIM. 3) CHECK THE FIT SELECTOR BEFORE ORDERING — the suit configurator defaults to RELAXED TAILORED, which is NOT the Modern Slim that worked. |
| SARTORO | ACTIVE — improving | Volume tailoring. 37 garments, the largest block in the wardrobe. | Four sizing generations. Latest is Eminence purple cotton (2026-03-15): new sizing + shoulder rotation + longer sleeves. Nine old jackets still at the 18″ shoulder. | Restate the latest generation against the Suitsupply numbers. Confirm whether the midsection increase noted on French Gray was applied to Eminence purple. |
| PROPER CLOTH | ACTIVE — verify | Custom shirts. Richest fit data of any brand. | Mar 2026 spec: 15 collar, yoke 17.10, cuff 8.40. Yoke agrees with Suitsupply to within 0.03″. | Confirm the Mar 2026 shirt actually fits as wanted — or whether the loose-to-snug migration overshot at the cuff. |
| CHARLES TYRWHITT | KEEP — off the peg | Ready-to-wear shirts, polos, knitwear. Cheap volume. | Current size confirmed: 15 collar / 34 sleeve / Button Cuff / Extra Slim, and Small in knits. | Nothing to fix going forward. The 2024 stock (16 collar, alpha LARGE) is the sunk-cost problem, not a future one. |
| COVENANT BROTHERS | THE UNKNOWN | BESPOKE — the highest tier in the wardrobe. Also does alterations. | One suit, five jackets/blazers. NO specs captured at all. $6,512.97 traced through bank alerts, two more charges with no amount. | Get Chris's pattern. He is the only person who has physically fitted these garments post-loss — his numbers may rival Suitsupply's. |
| OLIVER WICKS | STALLED | One jacket + pants. Dormant. | Shoulders −1 cm, biceps +1.5 cm, length +5 cm all queued and NEVER APPLIED. Delivered jacket carries the old wide shoulder. | Either apply the pending changes against the Suitsupply numbers before ordering again, or retire the brand. |
| BLACK LAPEL | PARTLY STALE | Two garments. Jacket and Vest patterns rebuilt; Shirt and Overcoat not. | Jacket + Vest rebuilt Nov 7, 2025 to shoulder 17.25 FROM the Suitsupply numbers — correct. Shirt and Overcoat still at 18.00. | Do NOT order a shirt or overcoat until those two patterns are rebuilt. They would arrive with the old shoulder built in. |
| THOMAS BIRD | KEEP | Footwear and belts. | US 9 / UK 8 / EU 42 confirmed correct across three pairs. | Resolve the Ellington in 43 — ordered a full size up by mistake, return window status unknown. |
| IDRESE | KEEP | Footwear. Seven pairs, the larger shoe relationship. | US 9, owner-confirmed. | Capture colour, leather, last and sole — no Idrese confirmation states any of it. |
THE PORTFOLIO, NOW THAT IT IS LEGIBLE
• SUITSUPPLY is the benchmark and is locked. HANGRR is the cheap experiment lane for colour. SARTORO is the volume workhorse, mid-correction. COVENANT BROTHERS is the top tier and the least documented. That is a coherent structure, not an accident — it just was not written down anywhere until now.
THE HANGRR PANT LENGTH IS A KNOWN QUANTITY
• Suitsupply's Feb 18 revision was Jesse shortening the trouser inside leg from −6.0 to −7.0 cm, about 0.4″. Hangrr's pants now read 'a tad bit long' — the same complaint, the same likely magnitude.
• Hangrr works in inches from BODY measurements, and the profile carries pant length 40″. Trying 39.5″ next order is a reasonable first move, and it matches the correction that already worked at Suitsupply.
THE HANGRR TRAP TO AVOID
• The wool suit that fits was ordered MODERN-SLIM. The velvet blazer that does not was SLIM. Those are different ladders — suits offer two options, separates offer four.
• The suit configurator was last seen defaulting to RELAXED TAILORED. If more wild-colour suits are coming, the fit selector has to be checked on every single order. Getting this wrong once costs a whole suit.
TWO GARMENTS THAT SHOULD NOT BE ORDERED AT ALL RIGHT NOW
• A Black Lapel SHIRT or OVERCOAT — both patterns are still at the 18″ shoulder and would arrive with the defect built in.
• Another Oliver Wicks jacket — the shoulder correction has been sitting queued and unapplied.
LEDBURY — added Aug 14, 2026
VERDICT: WORKS, and strongly. He bought the Brompton Mouline in every colour Ledbury stocked, then bought the
nearest fabric they had when the range ran out. That is the strongest implicit endorsement in the workbook —
but there is STILL NO EXPLICIT FIT VERDICT on any of the four shirts. Ask.
Custom, 15/34 extra-slim, $135 list — roughly HALF the Proper Cloth price for a made-to-order shirt.
*** GENERAL RULE CONFIRMED ACROSS TWO BRANDS — read this before drawing any colour conclusion ***
Naked & Famous: colour limited to black and indigo — recorded as A SUPPLY CONSTRAINT, NOT A PREFERENCE.
Ledbury: colour limited to charcoal/light grey/light blue — owner-confirmed as the same thing.
THE UNIT OF DECISION IS FABRIC. COLOUR IS WHAT HE COMPROMISES ON.
Any narrow colour range in this workbook must be tested against WHAT THE BRAND ACTUALLY OFFERED before it is
read as taste. Several colour claims elsewhere in this workbook were drawn from small samples and should be
re-examined on that basis — including the Mauvais "resort neutrals" reading, which was already corrected once.
Why Things Changed
Why Things Changed — three separate forces
Every fit anomaly in this workbook comes from ONE of three causes, and this project spent most of today attributing all of them to the first. Owner-confirmed Aug 2026.
ORANGE = real weight change. YELLOW = stale spec. BLUE = deliberate preference change.
| Force | What it is | Active when | What it explains |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1. REAL WEIGHT CHANGE | 206.1 lb (Jul 26, 2024) down to ~150. A 56 lb loss, over in about seven months. | Aug 2024 – Feb 2025 | ONLY the Charles Tyrwhitt burst of Sep–Oct 2024 — ten shirts placed at roughly 185–190 lb, eight at 16 collar and two at alpha LARGE. Genuinely 35–40 lb out of date. Nothing else in the workbook was ordered during the drop. |
| 2. STALE SPEC | A 40R jacket and an 18″ shoulder carried over from the pre-2024 body — 'the last jacket I bought was a couple of years ago.' Never reset when the weight came off. | every order until each brand rebuilt | The Sartoro old generation (9 jackets + their pants and vests), the Black Lapel Shirt and Overcoat patterns still at 18.00, and the Oliver Wicks shoulder at 17.87. Sartoro's own tailors flagged the 40R in April 2025 and were right. |
| 3. DELIBERATE PREFERENCE MIGRATION | Ordered LOOSE at first as a hedge against regaining, then progressively SNUGGER as the plateau held. A conscious choice, re-specced order by order, independent of the scale. | Jan 2025 – present | The entire Proper Cloth ladder. Most of the Sartoro trouser adjustment sequence. The iterative 'take in a bit more each time' pattern across every made-to-measure brand. |
THE PROOF THAT FORCE 3 IS REAL — Proper Cloth against the scale
| Jan 2025 | Jul 2025 | Mar 2026 | |
|---|---|---|---|
| WEIGHT that month | ~155 lb | ~146 lb | ~152 lb |
| Collar Around | 16 | 15.5 | 15.4 |
| Chest Width | 22.5 | 22 | 21.2 |
| Yoke Width | 17.9 | 17.6 | 17.1 |
| CUFF AROUND | 8.8 | 8.7 | 8.4 |
• Weight on those three dates went DOWN then UP, netting about 3 lb. The pattern went down, down, down. They are not the same signal.
• THE CUFF IS THE CLINCHER. Cuff around dropped 8.80 → 8.40, a full 0.4″. Wrists do not shrink with 3 lb. They barely shrink with 56. That is a man deciding he wants a closer cuff.
• A monotonic tightening across every dimension at once is in fact MORE consistent with deliberate re-speccing than with weight, because real weight loss is uneven — it takes the waist before the wrist. A uniform squeeze is a preference, not a body.
WHAT THIS RETIRES
• Earlier today this workbook concluded 'nine of ten dimensions shrank monotonically, therefore the body changed, not the preference.' That was exactly backwards. Both halves of the inference were wrong: the body was already stable, and monotonic uniformity points AT preference.
• The hedge itself was rational. Ordering loose while unsure whether the weight would hold is a sensible bet on expensive garments. It just means the early made-to-measure pieces were never cut to the body — they were cut to a body plus an insurance margin that is no longer wanted.
THE QUESTION THIS OPENS — IS THE MIGRATION FINISHED?
• Eighteen months of stability and full confidence in the plateau suggests the loose-to-snug journey should be at or near its end. If so, the current specs are the endpoint and should be locked.
• BUT ONE SIGNAL SUGGESTS IT OVERSHOT. The Sartoro French Gray checked jacket (new sizing, after shoulder rotation) carries the note: 'next one needs to be larger around the midsection and sleeves 1/2 inch longer.' That is a request to go BACK OUT — the first reversal anywhere in the record.
• Read together with Chris letting out the waist on three older jackets, the picture is of a preference that ran tight and is now settling back a notch. Worth confirming garment by garment rather than assuming the newest spec is automatically the best one.
WHAT TO ASK OF EACH CURRENT REFERENCE
• Proper Cloth Mar 2026 (15 collar, yoke 17.10, cuff 8.40) — does that shirt actually fit the way he wants, or is it the tightest point of an overshoot?
• Sartoro Eminence purple cotton (latest generation, 2026-03-15) — was the midsection increase requested on the French Gray actually applied to it?
• Suitsupply Plano — measured Oct/Nov 2025 at roughly 144–151 lb, mid-plateau. Probably the cleanest reference in the workbook precisely because it was taken by a person, at stable weight, with no preference drift baked in.
Weight Data (Scale App)
Weight — actual scale-app record
Source: smart-scale app trend screenshots (IMG_4385–4389), supplied Aug 2026. This REPLACES the owner-recalled '180 to 150'. The tracked peak is 206.1 lb.
GREEN = exact value read from an app tooltip. GREY = approximate, read off the plotted curve.
| Date | Weight | Precision | Source | What was happening in the wardrobe |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| May 2024 | ~207 lb | approx | chart start, 2024-25 view | |
| Jul 26, 2024 | 206.1 lb | EXACT | app tooltip | PEAK OF THE APP DATA ONLY — NOT the lifetime peak. True peak ~295 lb, ~2021. Flat May to late July, then the drop begins. |
| Sep–Oct 2024 | ~190 → ~183 lb | approx | curve | CHARLES TYRWHITT BURST — 4 orders in 5 weeks, 16 collar and alpha LARGE. Ordered at roughly 185–190 lb. |
| Nov–Dec 2024 | ~172 → ~171 lb | approx | curve | Passes the app's Goal line (~172) in November. |
| Jan 2025 | ~161 lb | approx | curve | PROPER CLOTH first order, Jan 12 — 16.00 collar, yoke 17.90. |
| Feb 26, 2025 | 153.9 lb | EXACT | app tooltip | Sartoro #5816 delivered Feb 17 and the remake negotiated Feb 18–20. The Sartoro measurement baseline. |
| Mar 2025 | ~147 lb | approx | curve | LOWEST POINT of the whole record. Sartoro remake fits perfectly (Mar 4). |
| Apr 30, 2025 | 150.5 lb | EXACT | app tooltip | Sartoro trouser adjustments on #6166; the 157 lb figure was given to Sartoro Apr 8 — see the conflict below. |
| May–Jul 2025 | ~152 → ~146 lb | approx | curve | Sleeve ladder resolved; #6297 trousers locked in. |
| Aug–Oct 2025 | ~144–145 lb | approx | curve | Lowest sustained stretch. SUITSUPPLY PLANO FITTING falls on or before Nov 7. |
| Nov 2025 | ~151 lb | approx | curve | Black Lapel patterns rebuilt Nov 7 from the Suitsupply numbers. |
| Dec 26, 2025 | 152.0 lb | EXACT | app tooltip | |
| Jan–Apr 2026 | ~152 → ~149 lb | approx | curve | Charles Tyrwhitt Feb 2026 (15 collar) · Suitsupply Feb 18 revision · Sartoro shoulder rotation · Proper Cloth Mar 2026. |
| Jun 2026 | ~155 lb | approx | curve | HIGHEST since Feb 2025 — a real, visible bump. |
| Aug 2026 (now) | ~150 lb | approx | curve end | Back down. |
THREE CORRECTIONS TO THIS WORKBOOK
1. THE LOSS WAS 56 LB, NOT 30.
• CORRECTED Aug 14, 2026: 206.1 lb was the start of the SCALE-APP RECORD, not the peak. Owner states ~295 lb about five years ago. The app captures only the last ~90 lb of a ~145 lb loss.
2. IT WAS OVER BY FEBRUARY 2025 — NOT DECEMBER 2025.
• The entire drop happened between August 2024 and February 2025, about seven months. By Feb 26, 2025 he was 153.9 and by March he hit the record low around 147.
• Everything since has sat in a 144–155 band — EIGHTEEN months of stability, not eight. The only notable move is a bump to about 155 in June 2026, already corrected.
3. AND THAT MEANS THE FIT PROBLEM WAS MOSTLY NOT WEIGHT.
• This is the big one, and it reverses what this workbook concluded earlier today.
• Proper Cloth's pattern shrank steadily across 14 months: collar 16.00 → 15.50 → 15.40, chest 22.50 → 21.20, yoke 17.90 → 17.10. But the WEIGHT on those three order dates was roughly 155, 146 and 152 — essentially flat, and not even in the same direction.
• A 3 lb net change cannot produce 0.6″ of collar and 1.3″ of chest. So the Proper Cloth drift was SPEC CORRECTION converging on a body that had ALREADY stopped changing — not the body changing under a fixed spec.
• Same for Sartoro. Its Feb 2025 measurements were taken at ~154 lb, which is within 4 lb of today. Those garments were not cut to a heavy body. They were cut from a STALE SPEC — the 40R jacket and 18″ shoulder that Jesse himself dated to 'a couple of years ago' when he was much bigger.
• Sartoro's tailors spotted it in April 2025: 'your jacket size is a bit higher than we'd expect for your height and weight.' They were right, and the reason is now clear — the number was inherited from the pre-2024 body and simply never reset.
THE ONE PLACE WEIGHT REALLY IS THE ANSWER
• The Charles Tyrwhitt burst of Sep–Oct 2024 was placed at roughly 185–190 lb, mid-fall. Those ten shirts — eight at 16 collar, two at alpha LARGE — were correctly sized for the body of the day and are genuinely 35–40 lb out of date. That is the only block in the workbook where weight, not spec drift, explains the mis-fit.
A CONFLICT WORTH RESOLVING
• On Apr 8, 2025 Jesse told Sartoro he weighed 157 lb that morning. The app has him around 150 at the end of that month and 153.9 in late February.
• On Apr 18, 2025 he wrote that he had 'lost about 15 lbs since we did the measurements back in Feb.' The app shows Feb 26 at 153.9 and Apr 30 at 150.5 — a change of roughly 3 lb, not 15.
• Both statements read as recollections of the whole journey rather than readings from this scale. Different scale, clothed weight, or simple rounding could explain the 157. It does not change any conclusion, but the workbook should not treat those two email figures as measurements.
Sartoro Master
Sartoro — Master Garment List & Sizing Generations
Owner-supplied, Aug 2026. This REPLACES the previous assumption that all Sartoro garments were cut to a single Jan 28, 2025 profile. There are FOUR sizing generations.
ORANGE = old sizing, 18″ shoulders. YELLOW = new sizing, BEFORE shoulder rotation. BLUE = new sizing, AFTER shoulder rotation. GREEN = latest (new sizing + rotation + longer sleeves), as of 2026-03-15. GREY = generation not stated.
| Fabric / group | Jacket | Lining | Buttons | Pants | Vest | Sizing generation | Chris altered? | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Eminence purple cotton | ✓ | White | ✓ | LATEST — new + rotation + longer sleeves | First ordered with the newest sizing. Latest sizing as of 2026-03-15. | |||
| French Gray checked | ✓ | Opera mauve | Accented red | ✓ | NEW, after shoulder rotation | ✓ | Dated 20260213. NEXT ONE needs midsection larger and sleeves +1/2″ — see query below. | |
| Black Cotton | ✓ | ✓ | ✓ | NEW, before shoulder rotation | New sizing but predates the shoulder rotation. | |||
| Powder gray twill | ✓ | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | Marked 'don't bother replacing'. | ||||
| Monroe shimmer black | ✓ | Turquise satin | Rimmed black | ✓ | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | Full three-piece. | |
| Sky blue windowpane | ✓ | Opera mauve | Rimmed brown | ✓ | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | ✓ | Waist let out by Covenant Brothers. |
| Bryant Navy sharkskin | ✓ | Royal blue | Accented blue | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | |||
| Off white prince of wales | ✓ | Carolina blue | Rimmed black | ✓ | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | Full three-piece. | |
| Shimmer gray | ✓ | Mulberry plum | Textured black | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | |||
| Aspen green hopsack | ✓ | Cream satin | Accented cream | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | REORDERED on the new measurements. | ||
| Ellis black pindot | ✓ | Opera mauve | Rimmed black | ✓ | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | ✓ | Waist let out by Covenant Brothers. REORDERED on the new measurements. |
| Polo blue glen plaid | ✓ | Teal large paisley | Rimmed blue | ✓ | OLD — 18″ shoulders | ✓ | Waist let out by Covenant Brothers. REORDERED on the new measurements. | |
| Royal blue cotton | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Aqua blue cotton | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Dark gray prince of wales | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Saphire blue cotton | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Navy blue cotton | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Light gray cotton | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. | |||||
| Diamantia Teal cotton | Rimmed brown | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. Buttons listed but no jacket — see query. | ||||
| Charcoal Stretch (cotton) | Obsidian | ✓ | not stated | Orphan pants. Buttons listed but no jacket — see query. |
Jackets 12
Pants 20
Vests 5
TOTAL GARMENTS (excl. 3 reorders) 37
Reordered jackets on new measurements 3
Altered by Covenant Brothers 4
Fabric groups (jacket + pants ± vest) 12
Orphan pants (no matching jacket) 8
THE FOUR GENERATIONS
| Generation | Garments | What defines it |
|---|---|---|
| 1 — OLD, 18″ shoulders | 9 jackets + their pants and vests | The heavier body. 18″ shoulder matches Black Lapel's Overcoat and Shirt patterns (18.00) and Proper Cloth's Jan 2025 yoke (17.90) EXACTLY. This is the ~180 lb reference across four brands. |
| 2 — NEW sizing, before shoulder rotation | Black Cotton (jacket + pants + vest) | Body measurements updated for the weight loss, but the shoulder ANGLE not yet corrected. |
| 3 — NEW sizing, after shoulder rotation | French Gray checked (jacket + pants), 2026-02-13 | Shoulder rotation added. Still needed adjusting afterwards — and Chris still had to modify it. |
| 4 — LATEST | Eminence purple cotton (jacket + pants), as of 2026-03-15 | New sizing + shoulder rotation + sleeves lengthened. The current Sartoro reference. |
WHAT THIS CORRECTS
• THE WORKBOOK WAS WRONG ABOUT SARTORO. Every Sartoro order email displays 'Fit_Profile: Jan 28, 2025', and this project concluded from that that all 42 garments were cut to one unchanged profile. They were not. The sizing was revised at least three times; the DISPLAYED PROFILE DATE simply never updated. The account metadata was misleading, not the tailoring.
• SARTORO IS NOT THE DISASTER I CALLED IT. Roughly 22 garments sit in the old 18″-shoulder generation, not 42. Ten are on the new measurements, and three of the old jackets have already been reordered in the new sizing.
• '18 INCH SHOULDERS' IS THE CROSS-BRAND KEY. Sartoro's old spec is 18″. Black Lapel's Overcoat and Shirt patterns are 18.00. Proper Cloth's Jan 2025 yoke is 17.90. Four brands, one body, one number — and it is the number that stopped fitting.
SHOULDER ROTATION — A SECOND, SEPARATE DEFECT
• 'Shoulder rotation' is not shoulder WIDTH, it is shoulder ANGLE — the seam pitch across the shoulder. Sartoro corrected it somewhere between the Black Cotton jacket and the French Gray checked (2026-02-13).
• PROPER CLOTH MADE THE SAME KIND OF CORRECTION AT THE SAME TIME. Its Mar 26, 2026 order is the first to carry 'Chest Posture: Chest Fwd 1″' — a forward-posture adjustment absent from Jan 2025 and Jul 2025. Two independent brands added posture corrections within six weeks of each other.
• So there are TWO distinct fit problems, not one: shoulders too WIDE (from the weight loss) and shoulders sitting at the wrong ANGLE (posture). The Covenant Brothers waist let-out was treating the first. The rotation was fixing the second.
COVENANT BROTHERS — QUESTION ANSWERED
• Chris altered FOUR garments: Sky blue windowpane, Ellis black pindot, Polo blue glen plaid, and French Gray checked.
• Three of those four are old 18″-shoulder jackets — consistent with the bulge diagnosis. But the FOURTH, French Gray checked, is a NEW-SIZING jacket made AFTER the shoulder rotation, and Chris still had to modify it. That one matters: it says the new spec was not right either.
• The three altered old jackets can no longer be measured to reconstruct the old pattern.
OPEN QUERIES — please confirm
1. '3.4 inch larger around midsection' on the French Gray checked. Given the sleeve note in the same sentence is '1/2 inch', is this THREE-QUARTERS of an inch (3/4″) rather than 3.4″? Three and a half inches around the midsection would be an enormous change and is recorded here as unresolved.
2. Was that midsection change actually applied to the Eminence purple cotton? Its note confirms the sleeve lengthening was applied but says nothing about the midsection.
3. The leading asterisk appears on Sky blue windowpane, Off white prince of wales, Aspen green hopsack and Polo blue glen plaid — but the three REORDERED jackets are Aspen green, Ellis pindot and Polo blue glen plaid. The asterisk therefore does not mean 'reordered'. What does it mark?
4. Diamantia Teal cotton and Charcoal Stretch have BUTTONS listed (Rimmed brown, Obsidian) but no jacket. Are those pants buttons, or is there a jacket missing from the list?
5. Which generation are the eight orphan pants? They are the largest unclassified block here.
6. Powder gray twill is marked 'don't bother replacing' — worth recording WHY. Fabric, cut, or just no longer wanted?
Sartoro Fit Correspondence
Sartoro — Fit Correspondence, Feb–Jun 2025
Source: Sartoro email threads with Apple Ramos and Tessa (Support), supplied Aug 2026. THE UNPUBLISHED SARTORO MEASUREMENTS ARE LARGELY RECOVERABLE FROM THIS THREAD — it contains self-measured body numbers, a weighed data point, exact garment measurements, and two explicitly locked-in specs.
BODY MEASUREMENTS — self-measured, stated to Sartoro Apr 8, 2025
| Measure | Value | Date | Source | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Height | 5′10″ | Apr 8, 2025 | stated to Sartoro | |
| Weight | 157 lb | Apr 8, 2025 | WEIGHED that morning | The only hard weight datapoint in the whole project. |
| Age | 50 | Apr 8, 2025 | stated | |
| Chest — widest | 38″ | Apr 8, 2025 | tape measure | |
| Below ribcage — narrowest | 32″ | Apr 8, 2025 | tape measure | |
| Belly button — widest | 33″ | Apr 8, 2025 | tape measure | Waist is WIDER than the rib line — normal, but it means the belly, not the rib, drives trouser waist. |
| Hips | 36″ | Feb 18, 2025 | tape measure | Stated on the #5816 alteration form. |
| Shoe | size 10 | Apr 8, 2025 | stated to Sartoro | CONFLICT — see the flag below. Thomas Bird and Idrese both fit at US 9. |
| Jacket size | 40R | Apr 2025 | Sartoro's record | Sartoro's TAILORS flagged this as too big for his height and weight. Jesse agreed: 'a 40 may be a bit large at this point.' |
| Build, self-described | tall, slim, small seat, thin legs, VERY SHORT RISE | Feb 2025 | stated | The short rise is a recurring structural issue, not a weight issue. |
WEIGHT CURVE — now has a measured point
| Date | Weight | Basis | |
|---|---|---|---|
| baseline | ~180 lb | owner-reported | |
| ~Feb 2025 | ~172 lb (inferred) | derived | |
| Apr 8, 2025 | 157 lb | WEIGHED | |
| ~Dec 2025 → now | ~150 lb | owner-reported |
TROUSERS — the full adjustment ladder
| Date | Order | Change | Who decided | Outcome |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Feb 17, 2025 | #5816 | DELIVERED. Pants measured 40″ at the hip against a 36″ body — 4″ of excess. | — | 'The seat is very, very, very baggy.' |
| Feb 18, 2025 | #5816 | REQUESTED: hips −2.0 · crotch −1.5 · thigh −1.5 · calf −1.5 · length −1.0 · ankle −0.5 | Jesse | Submitted as a formal alteration claim. |
| Feb 19, 2025 | #5816 | COUNTERED: hips −1.0 · crotch −1.5 · thigh −1.0 · calf −1.0 · length −1.0 · opening −0.5 | Tessa (Sartoro) | Sartoro pushed back on going too far. |
| Feb 20, 2025 | #5816 | AGREED: hips −1.5 (met in the middle) · thigh −1.0 · calf −1.0, rest as countered | both | Free remake, standard 3-week shipping. |
| Mar 4, 2025 | #5816 remake | — | — | 'Pants came in today. They fit perfect now.' |
| Apr 18, 2025 | #6166 (in production) | REQUESTED: waist −1/2 · hips/seat −3/4 · thigh −1/2 | Jesse | Superseded within hours — see next row. |
| Apr 19, 2025 | #6166 | REVISED UP: seat −1 FULL inch · thigh −3/4 | Jesse | Apple confirmed: 'take in the seat by 1 inch and the thigh by ¾ inch.' |
| May 20, 2025 | #6297 | NONE — this is the target. | — | 'The pants from order 6297 fit perfectly. Chisel those measurements in stone.' |
JACKET SLEEVES — measured, then locked
| Date | Order | Sleeve length | Verdict | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| by May 16, 2025 | #6096 | ~25.0″ | TOO LONG | Measured by Jesse off the garment. |
| by May 16, 2025 | #6264 Glimmer Black | ~25.5″ | TOO LONG | 'Except for the sleeve length, the jacket fits absolutely perfect.' Wife loved the lining. |
| May 16, 2025 | target stated | 24.25″ – 24.75″ | TARGET | '25 inches or more is too long.' |
| Jun 16, 2025 | jacket received | within target | PERFECT | 'The sleeve length is perfect on the jacket I received today. LOCK THAT SIZE IN.' |
| Jun 8, 2025 | later jacket order | −3/4″ from the previous order | UNVERIFIED | Requested BEFORE the Jun 16 jacket arrived. Apple confirmed Jun 9 it was applied. See the risk flag below. |
TWO SPECS ARE EXPLICITLY LOCKED
• TROUSERS: order #6297. 'Chisel those measurements in stone' (May 20, 2025). Sartoro replied they would lock them in for future orders. #6297 is the trouser reference point.
• SLEEVES: the jacket received Jun 16, 2025. 'Lock that size in.' Target band 24.25″–24.75″, arrived at by measuring #6096 at 25.0″ and #6264 at 25.5″ and working down.
RISK FLAG — THE SLEEVES MAY HAVE BEEN CUT TWICE
• On Jun 8, 2025 Jesse ordered another jacket asking for sleeves 3/4″ SHORTER than the last jacket order, and Apple confirmed on Jun 9 that it was applied.
• Eight days later, on Jun 16, the jacket from the PREVIOUS order arrived and the sleeve was already perfect.
• If 'the last jacket order' meant that same jacket, the Jun 8 order was cut 3/4″ shorter than a sleeve already at target — roughly 24″, which is below the stated band. CHECK the sleeve on whatever jacket arrived after mid-June 2025.
SHOE SIZE CONFLICT
• Jesse told Sartoro 'size 10 shoe' on Apr 8, 2025.
• The footwear record says otherwise: Thomas Bird fits at 42 / UK 8 / US 9 across three pairs, Idrese is US 9 across seven pairs, and the ONE Thomas Bird pair ordered in 43 / US 10 came out TOO BIG. The Apr 2025 statement looks like a stale self-assessment, not a measured size.
THE 40R WAS ALREADY WRONG IN APRIL 2025
• Sartoro's own tailors flagged it: 'your jacket size is a bit higher than we'd expect for your height and weight.' Jesse agreed a 40 was probably too large.
• That is a vendor telling him the spec was oversized SIXTEEN MONTHS before this workbook worked it out from the shoulder data. The 40R / 18″-shoulder generation was known to be wrong at the time.
WHAT THIS DOES TO THE 'SARTORO PUBLISHES NOTHING' PROBLEM
• Largely solved, and without contacting support. The thread yields a body profile (chest 38, rib 32, belly 33, hips 36, 5′10″, 157 lb on Apr 8 2025), a trouser reference order (#6297), a sleeve target band, and the full pattern of what was taken in and by how much.
• It also dates the measurement baseline: Jesse says the measurements were taken 'back in Feb' 2025, which sits slightly later than the Jan 28, 2025 profile date shown in the account.
• MORE OF THIS EXISTS. This is a handful of threads out of a mailbox that has 33 Sartoro orders in it. Every thread of this kind is worth pulling.
Shoulder Bulge Diagnosis
The Shoulder Bulge — root cause and what the waist let-out actually did
Owner-reported: Chris at Covenant Brothers let the waist out A LITTLE on several early Sartoro jackets to stop bulging that had started at the BACK OF THE SHOULDERS, because Jesse no longer fills out the shoulders.
This is NOT a body-size alteration. It is a COMPENSATING alteration — it treats the symptom of a shoulder that is now too wide, and it moves the garment AWAY from the body, not toward it.
THE MECHANISM
What changed Shoulder width dropped roughly 0.8″ across the weight loss — Proper Cloth yoke 17.90 → 17.10, Black Lapel rebuilt 18.00 → 17.25, Suitsupply measured 17.13. The jackets did not change.
What that does to a jacket The shoulder seam now sits wider than the actual shoulder. The upper back panel has more fabric than the body underneath it needs, and that excess has nowhere to go, so it buckles into a horizontal ripple or bulge across the blades.
Why letting out the waist helps Releasing the waist lets the back panel hang wider and lower instead of being pinched in below the excess. Tension redistributes downward and outward, and the ripple across the shoulders is pulled taut. The bulge flattens.
What it does NOT do It does not make the shoulder narrower. The shoulder seam is still in the wrong place. The alteration hides the defect rather than correcting it — which is exactly the right cheap move, because narrowing a jacket shoulder means detaching and resetting the sleeve.
CONSEQUENCES FOR THIS WORKBOOK
1. Chris was solving the right problem the cheap way Letting the waist out a little is a sound, low-cost fix for upper-back rippling. It is not a mistake and it is not evidence that the body got bigger. Nothing in the weight timeline needs revising.
2. But those jackets no longer measure the body The altered Sartoro jackets are now DELIBERATELY wider at the waist than Jesse actually is. Anyone measuring them to reconstruct his size would read a waist that is too large — and would also read the ORIGINAL too-wide shoulder. They are wrong in both directions at once.
3. That kills a plan this workbook was relying on An earlier suggestion was to recover the unpublished Sartoro Jan 28, 2025 profile by physically measuring the garments. For any altered jacket that no longer works — the garment is no longer the pattern. Only UNALTERED Sartoro pieces can be measured for that purpose, and it is not currently recorded which ones were altered.
4. The shoulder is the defect, not the waist Every future Sartoro order should reduce the SHOULDER. If the shoulder is corrected, the waist should NOT be let out — the compensating alteration becomes unnecessary and would leave the jacket loose through the body for no reason.
5. The same defect is queued but unfixed at Oliver Wicks Oliver Wicks has shoulders −1 cm sitting in the pending-changes column, NEVER APPLIED. The delivered jacket has the identical too-wide shoulder and will bulge the same way. Its length was already let out almost 2 inches — another compensating alteration on the same garment.
6. Two Black Lapel patterns still carry the old shoulder The Black Lapel Shirt (Jul 1, 2025) and Overcoat (May 7, 2025) are still at shoulder 18.00 and were never rebuilt. Anything ordered from either pattern would arrive with the defect built in.
WHAT NEEDS ESTABLISHING
• WHICH Sartoro jackets Chris altered, and how much the waist was let out on each. Without that, the workbook cannot tell an as-made garment from a modified one — and the Reorders tab already shows three jackets ordered twice with different specs, so confusion is easy.
• Whether the bulging appeared on ALL the early Sartoro jackets or only some. If only some, the difference between them is diagnostic — it would point at which cut or fabric weight shows the problem worst.
• Whether any Suitsupply, Black Lapel or Hangrr jacket shows the same rippling. Suitsupply was measured at the stabilised body, so it should NOT — and if it does, the shoulder number is wrong somewhere.
• What Chris measured Jesse at, and when. He is the only bespoke tailor in the wardrobe and the only person who has physically fitted these garments post-loss. His pattern may be the best record of the current body that exists — better than Suitsupply's.
Allen Edmonds
Allen Edmonds — COMPLETE purchase history
Source: Allen Edmonds account Purchases & Loyalty Activity export, 8/13/26. Member tier: Collector. This replaces the 'no order detail' placeholder entirely.
HEADLINE: Allen Edmonds size is 9.5 D — NOT the US 9 established elsewhere in this workbook. A 9.0 was bought, rejected and returned. See the size section below.
| Order | Date | Style | Style # | Size | Width | Colour / material | Item $ | Order total | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 005030308736 | Apr 28, 2026 | Carson Venetian Hybrid Slip-on | EC4501247 | 9.5 | D | Sea Suede | 109.97 | 119.45 | FINAL SALE, no returns |
| 005029037547 | Jan 25, 2026 | Carson Venetian Hybrid Slip-on | EC4501679 | 9.5 | D | Sand Suede | 99.97 | 118.59 | FINAL SALE. Same style as above in a 2nd colour |
| 005029037531 | Jan 25, 2026 | Factory Second Santiago Driving Loafer | EC4501272 | 9.5 | D | Navy Suede | 149 | 302.17 | FACTORY SECOND — $25 restocking fee applies. Two pairs on this order |
| 005029037531 | Jan 25, 2026 | Factory Second Santiago Driving Loafer | EC4501314 | 9.5 | D | Light Grey Suede | 119.97 | FACTORY SECOND — $25 restocking fee applies | |
| 005028655982 | Dec 25, 2025 | Oliver Slip-on Stretch-lace Sneaker | EC4501661 | 9.5 | D | True Red Suede | 154.97 | 168.34 | Christmas Day order |
| 005027093555 | Oct 7, 2025 | Strandmok Cap-toe Oxford, Dainite sole | EC4501643 | 9.5 | D | Navy Suede Mix | 229.98 | 274.82 | |
| 005024946844 | May 17, 2025 | Oliver Slip-on Stretch-lace Sneaker | EC4501673 | 9.5 | D | Denim Leather Mix | 325 | 364.03 | MOST EXPENSIVE pair. Full price |
| 005024720980 | May 1, 2025 | Strandmok Cap-toe Oxford, Dainite sole | EC4500533 | 9.5 | D | White Suede | 249.97 | 271.53 | STORE PICKUP BONUS +150 pts logged May 19 — collected in person |
| 005024720960 | May 1, 2025 | Randolph Bit Slip-on Sneaker | EC4501140 | 9.5 | D | Navy Suede | 129.97 | 141.18 | FINAL SALE. Second order same day |
| 005023223989 | Dec 28, 2024 | Strandmok Cap-toe Oxford, Dainite sole | EC4500811 | 9.5 | D | Black Suede | 166.97 | 181.37 | |
| 005023217241 | Dec 27, 2024 | Caleb Lace-up Hybrid Derby | EC4501189 | 9.5 | D | Navy Suede | 134.98 | 146.62 | THE REPLACEMENT — same shoe as the 9.0 below, half size UP, and $45 cheaper |
| 005022811593 | Dec 6, 2024 | Caleb Lace-up Hybrid Derby | EC4501189 | 9.0 | D | Navy Suede | 179.98 | 195.5 | RETURNED Jan 23, 2025. Refund $195.50, −180 pts. 9.0 WAS TOO SMALL |
| 005022140154 | Nov 1, 2024 | (style details cut off on final page) | EC4500520 | ? | ? | (navy suede — from image) | 152.04 | EARLIEST ORDER CAPTURED. Item line not visible; merchandise ≈$140 from the +140 points | |
| NOT IN EXPORT | unknown | Park Avenue Cap-toe Oxford | (not captured) | ? | ? | Oxblood | OWNER-REPORTED. Absent from the account purchase history — see the investigation below. | ||
| NOT IN EXPORT | unknown | Park Avenue Cap-toe Oxford | (not captured) | ? | ? | Black | OWNER-REPORTED. Absent from the account purchase history. | ||
| NOT IN EXPORT | unknown | Park Avenue Cap-toe Oxford | (not captured) | ? | ? | Navy | OWNER-REPORTED. Absent from the account purchase history. |
| ORDERS PLACED | ||
|---|---|---|
| PAIRS ORDERED | ||
| PAIRS RETURNED | ||
| PAIRS KEPT | ||
| GROSS SPEND | ||
| LESS REFUND | ||
| NET SPEND |
THE SIZE CORRECTION — documented, and it contradicts the workbook
| Date | Event | What it means |
|---|---|---|
| Dec 6, 2024 | Bought Caleb Lace-up Hybrid Derby, Navy Suede, SIZE 9.0 D, $179.98. | First Allen Edmonds pair on record, ordered in 9.0. |
| Dec 27, 2024 | Bought the SAME style and colour again in SIZE 9.5 D — and paid $134.98, $45 less. | A deliberate half-size-up replacement, bought BEFORE returning the first pair. |
| Jan 23, 2025 | Returned the 9.0 pair. Refund $195.50, minus 180 loyalty points. | Confirms 9.0 was the wrong size, not a duplicate purchase. |
| Dec 2024 → Apr 2026 | EVERY subsequent pair — all eleven of them — is 9.5 D. | Eleven consecutive orders at one size is about as settled as footwear data gets. |
CORRECTION TO THE FOOTWEAR RECORD
• This workbook has been carrying 'US 9' as the footwear size, based on Thomas Bird (42 / UK 8 / US 9, three pairs) and Idrese (US 9, owner-confirmed, seven pairs).
• ALLEN EDMONDS IS 9.5 D, AND 9.0 WAS TESTED AND REJECTED. That is not a contradiction to explain away — it is a lastmaker difference. Shoe size is brand-specific and always has been. The workbook now records THREE separate footwear sizes, one per brand, rather than one universal number.
• PRACTICAL RULE: order Thomas Bird at 42, Idrese at 9, Allen Edmonds at 9.5 D. Do not carry one number across the three.
• AND THIS RESOLVES AN OLD PUZZLE. In April 2025 Jesse told Sartoro his shoe size was 'size 10'. The workbook flagged that as a stale self-assessment because Thomas Bird and Idrese both fit at 9. It now looks less like an error — he was buying 9.5 D at Allen Edmonds at the time, so '10' was a rounding of a real, larger number, not a guess from memory.
A SECOND RETURN NOW EXISTS
• The Shirts tab still says the Charles Tyrwhitt return was 'the only return anywhere in this workbook'. That is now WRONG. The Allen Edmonds Caleb Derby in 9.0 was returned Jan 23, 2025 — predating the Charles Tyrwhitt return by fourteen months.
• The two returns are different in kind, and that is the interesting part. Allen Edmonds was a clean size correction: bought 9.0, re-bought 9.5, sent the 9.0 back. Charles Tyrwhitt was NOT a size swap — the replacement was identical in every dimension.
ALLEN EDMONDS IS THE BIGGEST FOOTWEAR RELATIONSHIP
• 12 pairs kept, versus Idrese 7 and Thomas Bird 4. It is also better documented than either — style, style number, size, WIDTH, colour, material and price on every single line. Idrese records none of that.
• WIDTH D is captured on all eleven 9.5 pairs. No other footwear brand in this workbook records width at all.
PATTERN READ
• SUEDE, almost exclusively: Sea, Sand, Navy ×3, Light Grey, True Red, White, Black, plus a Navy Suede Mix and a Denim Leather Mix. Eleven of twelve pairs are suede or a suede mix.
• NAVY IS THE ANCHOR — four pairs. Then a genuine appetite for unusual colour: True Red, White, Sea, Sand, Light Grey.
• CASUAL AND HYBRID LASTS DOMINATE: Carson Venetian, Santiago Driving Loafer, Oliver Sneaker, Randolph Bit, Caleb Hybrid Derby. Only the Strandmok Cap-toe Oxford (bought three times, in Black, White and Navy Suede Mix) is a dress shoe — and even that has a Dainite rubber sole.
• HE BUYS ON DISCOUNT. Four pairs are marked FINAL SALE, two are FACTORY SECONDS with restocking fees, and most prices sit well below Allen Edmonds list. Only the $325 Oliver in Denim Leather Mix looks like full price.
• SEVEN $20 REWARDS have been issued (Dec 2024, Dec 2024, May 2025, May 2025, Oct 2025, Jan 2026, Apr 2026) — $140 in total. 68 points currently sit against the next 300.
• A STORE PICKUP BONUS of 150 points on May 19, 2025 confirms at least one collection in person at the OKC store, which is why no email confirmation exists for it.
STILL MISSING — the Nov 1, 2024 order (005022140154, style EC4500520, $152.04) has its item line cut off on the last page of the export. Style, size, width and colour are unknown. Points earned (+140) imply merchandise around $140. One more page of the account export would close it.
THE THREE MISSING PARK AVENUES — investigation
Owner-reported: Park Avenue Cap-toe Oxford in OXBLOOD, BLACK and NAVY. None appears in the account purchase history export. Three pairs of Allen Edmonds' flagship dress shoe are unaccounted for.
| Likely reason | Assessment | How to test it |
|---|---|---|
| They predate the loyalty account | MOST LIKELY. The export's earliest entry is Nov 1, 2024. Anything bought before that simply is not in this record. The Park Avenue is a first-serious-dress-shoe purchase for most people, so it plausibly came years earlier. | Check card statements before Nov 2024, and check whether the AE account was created around then. |
| Bought in store without the member number attached | PLAUSIBLE. In-store purchases DO appear in this export — there is a Store Pickup Bonus logged May 19, 2025 — but only when the loyalty account is scanned. A walk-in without it leaves no trace. | Victoria Rivera at the OKC store (405-486-7282) can look up purchases by name or card. |
| Bought from a third-party retailer | PLAUSIBLE. Park Avenues are sold through Nordstrom and others, and Nordstrom appears in the marketing traffic. A Nordstrom purchase would never reach the Allen Edmonds account. | Search the mailbox for Nordstrom order confirmations. |
| They are on the missing page 12 of the export | UNLIKELY to explain all three. Page 12 holds at most the tail of order 005022140154 (Nov 1, 2024) and possibly one or two older orders — not three separate Park Avenue pairs. | Export the last page of the account history. |
| Gift, secondhand, or inherited | POSSIBLE and would explain the total absence of any transaction record. | Owner recollection only. |
WHY THIS MATTERS MORE THAN THREE MISSING RECEIPTS
• IT FIXES A HOLE IN THE WARDROBE PICTURE. The export made Allen Edmonds look almost entirely casual — Carson slip-ons, Santiago driving loafers, Oliver sneakers, a Randolph bit slip-on, a Caleb hybrid derby. The only dress shoe was the Strandmok cap-toe, and even that has a Dainite RUBBER sole. On that evidence he owned almost no formal footwear.
• The Park Avenue is the opposite: Allen Edmonds' flagship leather-soled cap-toe oxford. Three of them, in the three colours that actually matter, IS the formal rotation. Add the two white bib-front evening shirts from Charles Tyrwhitt (Feb 2026) and the black-tie capability suddenly makes sense.
THE SIZE QUESTION — do NOT assume 9.5 D
• Every pair in the export sits on casual or hybrid lasts. The Park Avenue is built on Allen Edmonds' 65 last, a dress last that fits differently. A 9.5 D in a Carson slip-on does not automatically mean 9.5 D in a Park Avenue.
• If the Park Avenues predate Nov 2024 they may also predate the size correction — they could be 9.0, the size he bought the Caleb in and returned. WORTH CHECKING THE INSOLES, since these three pairs are physically to hand and the answer is stamped inside them.
• That would give a fourth footwear datapoint: brand, last AND width. No other shoe in this workbook offers that.
COLOUR NOTE
• OXBLOOD ties directly to the Thomas Bird Bourne Monk Strap in Oxblood (order 413099, Jun 2025) — two brands, same colour, and it sits in the same family as the Plum and Aubergine Thomas Bird pairs and the purple thread running through the shirts and tailoring.
• NAVY makes five navy pairs at Allen Edmonds alone once the Park Avenue is counted. Navy is comfortably his most-bought shoe colour across the whole workbook.
ACTION — in priority order
1. Read the size and width stamped inside all three Park Avenues. Free, immediate, and it settles whether 9.5 D holds across lasts.
2. Call the OKC store and ask for a full purchase lookup by name, not by member number.
3. Search the mailbox for Nordstrom order confirmations.
4. Export page 12 of the Allen Edmonds account history to close order 005022140154.
Carmina
Carmina — Mallorca
Source: two Carmina US Inc invoices, Aug 2026. CARMINA US Inc, 45 E 45 St, New York. $550 a pair. NOTE: superseded as the top of the footwear wardrobe — see the Designer Footwear tab.
SIZE: UK 8.5 on both — a NEW size, half a size above the UK 8 that fits at Thomas Bird. And order 35947 is an EXCHANGE, which means a THIRD Carmina order exists that is not here.
| Order | Date | Model | Reference | Size | Price | Total | Payment line | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| C-35507 | before Jan 28, 2025 | (not captured) | (not captured) | (not 8.5) | (not captured) | THE ORIGINAL ORDER. Exists only as a reference on order 35947's comment line. Model, size, colour and amount all unknown. This is almost certainly where the money was actually paid. | ||
| 35947 | Jan 28, 2025 | DERBY SHOES 80444 RAIN | 080444-013-0022 | UK 8.5 | 550 | 550 | 'Store payment agentes' — $0.00 | EXCHANGE, not a new purchase: 'This is your exchange reservation in UK 8.5. C-35507. Attended by Gianna.' Colour is NAVY (owner-confirmed Aug 2026) — the invoice never states it; ref 013 vs the black shoe's 002. |
| 37549 | Apr 30, 2025 | BLACK DERBY SHOES 80449 RAIN | 080449-002-0029 | UK 8.5 | 550 | 550 | 'Credit & debit card' — $0.00 | A genuine second purchase. Colour explicitly BLACK. Different last/pattern (80449 vs 80444). |
| Pairs in hand (documented) | ||
|---|---|---|
| Invoice value shown |
ACTUAL CASH PAID — UNRESOLVED Order 35947 is an EXCHANGE with a $0.00 payment line. Counting both invoices as spend would DOUBLE-COUNT. The real outlay is order C-35507 (unknown) + order 37549 ($550).
FOOTWEAR SIZE — the picture resolves into TWO CLUSTERS, not chaos
| Brand | Size that works | Pairs | Evidence |
|---|---|---|---|
| Thomas Bird | 42 / UK 8 / US 9 | 3 | Owner-confirmed fit on Bourne, Hampton and Benson. |
| Idrese | US 9 | 7 | Owner-confirmed. |
| — CLUSTER 1 — | US 9 / UK 8 | 10 pairs | |
| Allen Edmonds | 9.5 D | 11 | 9.0 bought Dec 2024, REJECTED and returned. Eleven straight pairs at 9.5. |
| Carmina | UK 8.5 | 2+ | Both invoices. Plus an exchange INTO UK 8.5 from an unrecorded original. |
| — CLUSTER 2 — | US 9.5 / UK 8.5 | 13+ pairs |
REJECTED SIZES
| Thomas Bird 43 / US 10 | TOO BIG | 1 | Ellington Wholecut Brogue Aubergine — ordered a full size up by mistake. |
|---|---|---|---|
| Allen Edmonds 9.0 | TOO SMALL | 1 | Caleb Hybrid Derby, returned Jan 23, 2025 for a 9.5. |
| Carmina (order C-35507) | EXCHANGED OUT | 1 | Size not recorded. Exchanged INTO UK 8.5, so it was wrong in one direction. |
WHAT THE TWO CLUSTERS ACTUALLY MEAN
• Ten pairs fit at US 9 / UK 8 (Thomas Bird, Idrese). Thirteen-plus fit at US 9.5 / UK 8.5 (Allen Edmonds, Carmina). Both are real. Neither is wrong.
• The bracket is tight and consistent: US 10 was TOO BIG at Thomas Bird, US 9.0 was TOO SMALL at Allen Edmonds. His foot sits between, and each maker's last decides which side it lands on.
• CARMINA CONFIRMS THE CLUSTER FROM A THIRD DIRECTION. UK 8.5 converts to roughly US 9.5 — the same size Allen Edmonds settled on independently. Two European-lasted brands and one American one all agreeing is strong.
• PRACTICAL RULE, now four brands deep: Thomas Bird 42 · Idrese US 9 · Allen Edmonds 9.5 D · Carmina UK 8.5. Never carry one number across brands.
• AND IT KEEPS REHABILITATING THE 'SIZE 10' STATEMENT. Jesse told Sartoro 'size 10' in April 2025. With Allen Edmonds at 9.5 and Carmina at UK 8.5, he was living in the upper bracket at the time. That was a reasonable round-up, not a misremembering.
THE THIRD CARMINA ORDER
• Order 35947's comment reads: 'This is your exchange reservation in UK 8.5. C-35507. Attended by Gianna.' C-35507 is a prior order that was exchanged.
• So there was a FIRST Carmina purchase, in the wrong size, swapped for UK 8.5 on Jan 28, 2025. Nothing about it is captured — not the model, the colour, the original size, or the amount paid.
• That original order is where the cash for the 80444 Rain actually went. Until it is found, Carmina spend cannot be stated accurately.
CARMINA IS THE TOP OF THE GOODYEAR-WELTED TIER — but not of the wardrobe
• $550 a pair against Thomas Bird's $371 ceiling, Idrese's $375 and Allen Edmonds' $325 — the most expensive of the welted-shoemaker brands. CORRECTED Aug 2026: it is NOT the most expensive footwear in the wardrobe. Ferragamo, Prada, Christian Louboutin and Hogan all sit above or alongside it and are not yet captured.
• Both pairs are DERBIES on 'RAIN' patterns (80444 and 80449) — two different lasts or patterns, not two colours of one shoe. 'Rain' suggests a weather-resistant build.
• Shipping was $0.00 on both, as it is at Thomas Bird and Idrese. No footwear brand in this workbook charges him shipping.
• A NAMED REP, Gianna, handled the exchange — the same personal-service pattern as Victoria and Patrick at Allen Edmonds OKC, and Chris at Covenant Brothers.
WHAT TO CHASE
1. Order C-35507 — the original Carmina purchase. Model, colour, size, and above all the amount.
2. The colour of the 80444 Rain derby (order 35947). Ref 080444-013-0022; the black shoe's ref uses 002, so 013 is a DIFFERENT leather. The invoice never names it.
3. Whether more Carmina orders exist beyond these three.
Designer Footwear
DESIGNER FOOTWEAR — updated Aug 13, 2026 from PST archive harvest
Archive covers 2022-05-29 to 2024-01-18 only. Absence here is NOT proof of non-purchase.
| Brand | Status | Size as sold | US equivalent | Price | Detail |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Christian Louboutin | CAPTURED — Neiman Marcus, Jul 4 2023 | 42.5 EU | 9.5 D (retailer-printed) | $917.88 total | Louis Junior Sneaker NMS21_N60Q4, Black. Order STA000000000288296. $845.00 + $72.88 tax, free ship. MasterCard ••3999, shipped from store to 7832 NW 131st St. |
| Hogan | CAPTURED — Tod's Group direct, Jul 14 2023 | 8.5 UK | 10 US (brand-printed) | $392.00 | Loafers H600, code HXM6000ES40N908M217E, BLUE. Order 2401354042. No tax line, free shipping. OWNED, TOO BIG, LOW ROTATION — owner Aug 2026: "could go down at least a half size". Recommend 8, consider 7.5. |
| Raf Simons | CAPTURED — Farfetch, Jul 15 2022 | 44 EU | ~10.5-11 | $214.09 total | Orion low-top sneakers. Order N7DLKX. $175.00 + $24.00 ship + $15.09 tax. ApplePay. Shipped from IL DUOMO. Largest shoe recorded anywhere. |
| Ferragamo | NOT FOUND | 9, "MAYBE 8.5 in dress shoes" (owner) | — | — | 74 mentions in archive, ALL Saks/Neiman/Bergdorf marketing. Zero transactional. Width question now moot — owner confirms all widths standard D. |
| Prada | NOT FOUND | 9 (owner, dress shoes) | — | — | 354 mentions — the most-mentioned brand in the entire archive — ALL marketing. Zero transactional. Most likely bought in person or outside the archive window. |
| Alexander McQueen | NOT FOUND | 42.5 (owner) | ~9.5 | — | 146 mentions, all marketing. |
| Gucci | NOT FOUND | 10 US / 9 UK (owner) | 10 | — | 101 mentions, all marketing. |
| Versace | NOT FOUND | 43 (owner) | ~10 | — | 211 mentions, all marketing. |
| Jimmy Choo | NOT FOUND | 43 (owner, sneakers) | ~10 | — | 58 mentions, all marketing. |
| Chanel | NOT FOUND | 43 (owner) | ~10 | — | 41 mentions, all marketing. Owner entry read "channel" — assumed Chanel, UNCONFIRMED. |
WHERE TO LOOK NEXT FOR FERRAGAMO AND PRADA
1. Purchases before May 2022 or after Jan 2024 — outside this archive entirely.
2. In-store purchases — Saks, Neiman and Bergdorf all market heavily to him and he shopped Saks in person (in-store receipt Jun 24, 2022, transaction 1900).
3. A different mailbox — this archive is the 2057hldgs backup; the live account is a separate store.
4. Physically: both are owned. Sizes are stamped inside. That is free and immediate.
*** CHRISTIAN LOUBOUTIN — THERE ARE THREE PAIRS, NOT ONE. Owner Aug 14, 2026. ***
"I have those Louis Junior sneakers in black, white and blue suede."
| Pair | Colour | Record | Status |
|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | BLACK | Neiman Marcus order STA000000000288296, Jul 4 2023. Style NMS21_N60Q4. Size 42.5 EU (9.5 D US per Neiman). $845.00 + $72.88 tax = $917.88. MasterCard ending 3999. | CAPTURED IN FULL |
| 2 | WHITE | Nothing. No order, no date, no price, no retailer. | *** UNCAPTURED *** |
| 3 | BLUE SUEDE | Nothing. No order, no date, no price, no retailer. | *** UNCAPTURED *** |
ESTIMATED UNCAPTURED VALUE: if the white and blue pairs were bought near the black pair's $845 list, that is
roughly $1,690 before tax, or about $1,836 landed at the same 8.62% rate. NOT VERIFIED — they may have been
bought on sale, at a different retailer, or in a different year.
WHERE TO LOOK: the black pair came from NEIMAN MARCUS and was found in the PST archive, not the live mailbox.
Try (a) a Neiman Marcus account order history, (b) the PST archive for the other two, (c) Saks, Nordstrom,
Mr Porter, SSENSE, Farfetch, (d) Louboutin's own account page.
*** THE PAIRING — AND IT DOES NOT BREAK THE FORMALITY LADDER ***
Owner: "on some occasions, my cotton stretch Sartoro pants, I have worn them with my Christian Louboutin
sneakers.. not often, but a few times."
- At first reading this looks like a contradiction: DRESS trousers worn with SNEAKERS, when the ladder says
sneakers pair with the narrowest, most casual trousers.
- IT IS NOT A CONTRADICTION. THE SIZE PROVES IT. The Louis Junior is EU 42.5 = US 9.5 D — his DRESS SHOE
bracket. His athletic sneakers (Nike, Asics, Brooks, Salomon, Hoka, On Cloud, Thursday sneakers) are US 10 to 10.5 — a different bracket entirely.
- SO THE LOUIS JUNIOR IS A DRESS SHOE THAT HAPPENS TO BE SHAPED LIKE A SNEAKER. It sits in the dress register
by last, by size and by use. Pairing it with tailored cotton stretch trousers is internally consistent.
- REFINEMENT TO THE LADDER: the register is set by the SHOE, not by whether the word "sneaker" appears in its
name. Sort footwear by LAST AND SIZE BRACKET, which is the rule this workbook already established for sizing
("the driver is CATEGORY/LAST, not brand" — Thursday boots 9 vs Thursday sneakers 10).
THE SARTORO COTTON STRETCH TROUSERS — a further data point for the stretch thread
- He names them as COTTON STRETCH, and they are in occasional rotation with a dress-register shoe.
- This strengthens the open question already logged on the Wishlist tab: the Sartoro "Stretch" cloths (2605
Diamantia Teal, 2609 Navy Blue, plus the Royal / Aqua / Sapphire / Navy pairs) have NO elastane content
recorded anywhere. If they sit at 2-4%, the denim stretch window becomes a single cross-brand rule covering
tailoring as well. WORTH ASKING SARTORO OR CHECKING A CARE LABEL.
- WHICH PAIRS ARE THEY? "Cotton stretch" is not how any Sartoro line is labelled in this workbook. Candidates
include the Eminence purple COTTON (Mar 2026) and the several "Stretch" pants. NOT RESOLVED — ask which.
COLOUR NOTE: BLUE SUEDE and WHITE both extend existing threads. Navy/blue is the dominant colour across the
whole wardrobe, and SUEDE dominates the footwear (11 of 12 Allen Edmonds pairs). A blue suede Louboutin sits
squarely inside both. White is the outlier — there is very little white footwear on record.
ALSO SETTLED: the earlier workbook prediction that "Louboutin is most likely to break the two-cluster pattern —
narrow lasts, reputed to run small" was WRONG and is now doubly disproven. All three pairs are the same model at
the same size, sitting in the 9.5 bracket exactly as Allen Edmonds and Carmina do.
*** UPDATE Aug 14, 2026 — FOUR LOUIS JUNIORS, NOT THREE ***
Owner: "for christian louboutin. i have the louis junior sneaker in white and blue suede and a red/black mesh
combo. so three more pair."
1 BLACK CAPTURED — Neiman Marcus, Jul 4 2023, $917.88 total, 42.5 EU / 9.5 D
2 WHITE OWNER-DECLARED — no order, no price, no date, no size
3 BLUE SUEDE OWNER-DECLARED — no order, no price, no date, no size
4 RED/BLACK MESH OWNER-DECLARED — NEW, was not in the earlier list at all
THE RED/BLACK MESH PAIR IS GENUINELY NEW INFORMATION
The earlier owner quote recorded on this tab was: "I have those Louis Junior sneakers in black, white and blue
suede." Three colours. The mesh pair was never mentioned. That is a fourth pair, and it is the ONLY MESH UPPER
anywhere in this workbook — every other shoe is leather or suede.
It is also the only multi-colour shoe recorded. Red is otherwise almost absent from the wardrobe (two Idrese
reds), and BLACK+RED is not a combination that appears anywhere else in the footwear or tailoring.
*** THE CLASSIFICATION ON THIS TAB IS NOW IN DOUBT ***
This tab argues the Louis Junior "IS NOT A CONTRADICTION. THE SIZE PROVES IT" — reasoning that at EU 42.5 /
US 9.5 D it sits on his DRESS SHOE last, therefore it reads as a dress shoe rather than a casual sneaker, and
so wearing it with Sartoro cotton stretch trousers is register-consistent.
THE OWNER CALLS IT A SNEAKER. Twice now, unprompted: "the louis junior sneaker".
And the Louis Junior is, in fact, Louboutin's low-top TRAINER. The size-based argument inferred a category from
a last measurement; the owner is describing how he actually thinks about the shoe.
DO NOT DELETE THE OLD ARGUMENT — it may still explain why the pairing works. But the workbook should stop
asserting the Louis Junior is a dress shoe. Record it as: a SNEAKER that happens to sit on a dress-shoe last,
which is a better explanation of the same fact and does not contradict the owner.
*** THE SIZE QUESTION THAT MATTERS FOR REORDERING ***
Louboutin 42.5 EU / US 9.5 is a HALF SIZE ABOVE every other shoe he owns:
Thomas Bird 42 EU / UK 8 / US 9 — correct. A 43 was ordered once and was TOO BIG.
Idrese US 9 — correct across 7 pairs.
Allen Edmonds 8.5 — a 9.0 was returned as too big.
LOUBOUTIN 42.5 EU / US 9.5 D — the largest number in the footwear record.
So either Louboutin runs small and 42.5 is genuinely his size there, or the black pair is a half size too big and
he has been wearing it anyway. Given a 43 Thomas Bird and a 9.0 Allen Edmonds were BOTH too big, this is worth
resolving before any fifth pair is bought.
ASK: do the Louboutins fit properly, or are they slightly roomy? And check the box labels on the other three —
they may not all be 42.5.
STILL MISSING ON ALL THREE NEW PAIRS: retailer, date, price, size, and whether they were bought together.
At the black pair's $917.88 landed, three more pairs plausibly represent $2,500-2,750 of uncaptured spend.
Neiman Marcus is the proven channel — its order history is the first place to look when email is back.
*** FIFTH LOUBOUTIN — THE CAVAFIELD DERBY. VERIFIED FROM THE BRAND SITE Aug 14, 2026. ***
Owner supplied the product URL and stated the listed price is what he paid before tax and shipping.
Page fetched and read directly: us.christianlouboutin.com/us_en/cavafield-black-3260796bk01.html
Model Cavafield DERBY
Reference 3260796BK01
Colour Black
Material REVERSED CALF LEATHER (nubuck)
Sole Rubber LUG sole, hand-painted signature laser-etched at the back
Interior Foamed insole, ribbed trim at the ankle
Category Men's buckles & lace-ups (the brand's own classification)
Price $1,390.00 — VERIFIED on the brand site and owner-confirmed as paid, pre-tax/shipping
*** NOW THE MOST EXPENSIVE SINGLE ITEM OF FOOTWEAR IN THE WORKBOOK ***
$1,390 Louboutin Cavafield Derby <- NEW
$845 Louboutin Louis Junior, black
$375 Idrese Octavian Buckle Boot
$371 Thomas Bird Bourne Monk Strap
64% above the previous highest, and roughly 3.7x the median dress shoe. Louboutin now holds the top TWO positions
in the footwear record and is by a wide margin the most expensive brand in the wardrobe by unit price.
ESTIMATED LANDED COST — MARKED AS AN ESTIMATE, NOT A PAID FIGURE
The brand site states Ground shipping is COMPLIMENTARY in the mainland US, so shipping was probably $0.00.
His verified Oklahoma City sales-tax rate is 8.625%-8.63% (confirmed on Proper Cloth and Banana Republic orders).
$1,390.00 + 8.625% tax = $1,509.89 estimated landed
DO NOT record $1,509.89 as paid. Only $1,390.00 is owner-confirmed. The tax is inferred from OTHER retailers and
the shipping from the brand's CURRENT published policy — neither comes from a receipt. The Garment Inventory
row carries $1,390.00 only.
*** A NEW FOOTWEAR REGISTER — THE LUG SOLE ***
Every other dress shoe here is a leather-soled or standard-soled town shoe: Thomas Bird oxfords, wholecuts, monks
and penny loafers; Allen Edmonds derbies and monks; Idrese oxfords and derbies.
The Cavafield is a DERBY ON A RUBBER LUG SOLE, described by the brand as blending city sophistication with an
OUTDOOR INFLUENCE. The wardrobe has never had a rugged-soled dress shoe.
It also pairs naturally with denim in a way thin-soled town shoes do not. Worth asking what he wears it with —
it may be the bridge between the Kato/N&F denim block and the tailored footwear.
MATERIAL — reversed calf is NUBUCK, and that fits the existing pattern
The workbook already records that SUEDE dominates his footwear (11 of 12 Allen Edmonds pairs, the navy suede
Thomas Bird loafer, the blue suede Louis Junior). Reversed calf is a napped leather in the same family.
So the Cavafield is not an outlier on material — only on price and on sole.
*** THE SIZE QUESTION — THE BRAND ANSWERS HALF OF IT ***
Louboutin publishes its own conversion, read from the same page:
EU 42 = US 9 = UK 8
EU 42.5 = US 9.5 = UK 8.5
and states plainly that this style RUNS TRUE TO SIZE.
That CONFIRMS the Neiman Marcus conversion on the black Louis Junior (42.5 EU = 9.5 D US) was arithmetically right.
It does NOT confirm 42.5 is the right size for his foot.
He wears 42 at Thomas Bird (a 43 was TOO BIG) and US 9 at Idrese across seven pairs. Louboutin 42.5 = US 9.5 is a
genuine half size above both. Because Louboutin says the shoe runs true to size, that half size CANNOT be
explained away as brand sizing. Either he sizes up deliberately here, or the Louboutins are slightly large.
ASK: what size is printed inside the Cavafield, and does it fit like the Thomas Bird 42 or looser?
STILL UNKNOWN: purchase date, retailer (brand site vs boutique vs Neiman), size, payment card, and whether tax
and shipping were actually charged. The product is FW26, so the purchase is most likely 2026.
Covenant Brothers
Covenant Brothers Tailors — BESPOKE (Chris) · Oklahoma City
THE BIGGEST GAP IN THIS WORKBOOK. Owner-reported: one bespoke suit and five jackets/blazers made by Chris. None of it is in the garment inventory. There are NO order emails — this is a local tailor, so the only trace in the mailbox is card charges and calendar invites. Every figure below is a bank-alert amount, not an invoice.
Chris also does ALTERATIONS on other brands — which likely explains the open 'several early Sartoro jackets let out at the waist' item on the Alterations tab.
| Date | Source | Account | Amount | Basis |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| Feb 20, 2026 | Aura over-limit alert — 'Covenant Brothers' | BOA ····0199 | 1241 | Amount shown on the alert. Bank miscategorised it as 'Food and Drink'. |
| Feb 21, 2026 | Aura over-limit alert — 'Covenant Brothers' | BOA ····0199 | 2000 | Amount shown on the alert. Miscategorised as 'Food and Drink'. |
| Mar 25, 2026 | Empower daily monitor — 'Checkcard 0325 Covenant Brothers Oklahoma City OK' | BOA Adv Plus ····9065 | 871.97 | Amount shown on the statement line. |
| Apr 1, 2026 | Aura over-limit alert — 'Covenant Brothers' | BOA ····9065 | 1600 | Amount shown on the alert. Miscategorised as 'Food and Drink'. |
| Apr 27, 2026 | Quicken large-transaction notice — 'Covenant Brothers' | Jesse BOA CC | 800 | Amount shown on the notice. |
| Apr 30 / May 1, 2026 | Aura over-limit alert — 'Covenant Brothers' | (not shown) | AMOUNT NOT CAPTURED. Alert says it exceeded a $250 limit, so it is at least $250. | |
| Aug 8, 2026 | Aura over-limit alert — 'Covenant Brothers Tailors' | (not shown) | AMOUNT NOT CAPTURED. Alert says it exceeded a $1,000 limit, so it is at least $1,000. Most recent activity anywhere in this workbook — four days before capture. |
SUM OF CAPTURED AMOUNTS 6512.97
Charges with NO amount captured 2
KNOWN GARMENTS — owner-reported, DETAIL NEEDED
| Garment | Count | What is missing |
|---|---|---|
| Bespoke suit | 1 | Fabric, lining, buttons, lapel, construction, date commissioned, date delivered, price, and whether it is 2-piece or 3-piece |
| Jackets / blazers | 5 | Fabric, lining, buttons, lapel, construction, dates and price for each of the five — and whether any share fabric with an existing group |
• SCALE: $6,512.97 is captured across five charges, and two more charges have no amount on the alert. That already exceeds Oliver Wicks ($808), Black Lapel ($0 captured) and Hangrr ($850.18) COMBINED, and would make Covenant Brothers the third-largest spend in the wardrobe behind Sartoro and Suitsupply. Adding it moves total captured spend past $31,000.
• NOT ALL OF THAT IS NECESSARILY GARMENTS. Chris does alterations too, so some of these charges are almost certainly alteration work on Sartoro, Suitsupply, Oliver Wicks or Herno pieces rather than new bespoke commissions. Splitting the charges between the two is the next job.
• BANK CATEGORY IS WRONG: four of the alerts label Covenant Brothers as 'Food and Drink'. If wardrobe spend is ever pulled from a budgeting tool by category, this tailor will not appear.
• CALENDAR CONFIRMS THE ALTERATION RELATIONSHIP. Jan 27, 2026 — 'Jesse at Covenant Brothers for alterations': take a couple SARTORO JACKETS, take Herno coat, take Christian Louboutin heels, and take a pair of Idrese shoes TO SHOW. A second visit is on the calendar for Feb 17, 2026.
• THAT JAN 27 ENTRY LIKELY CLOSES AN OPEN ITEM: the Alterations tab has 'SEVERAL early Sartoro jackets let out at the waist — specific garments TBD'. Chris is almost certainly who did that work. Confirm which jackets and it can be recorded properly.
• BESPOKE IS A HIGHER TIER THAN ANYTHING ELSE HERE. Sartoro, Suitsupply, Oliver Wicks, Black Lapel and Hangrr are all made-to-measure from a stored profile or a single fitting. Bespoke means a unique pattern cut for Jesse with multiple fittings — so Covenant Brothers should also hold the most accurate measurements of any brand in this workbook. Worth asking Chris for them; it may be the fastest route to closing the Sartoro measurement gap too.
• NOTHING HERE IS AN INVOICE. Every amount is a bank or fraud alert. Actual receipts, garment specs and dates have to come from Jesse or from Chris directly.
Paul James Knitwear
Paul James Knitwear — these are BLAZERS, not sweaters
UK maker, Shopify + Global-e, ships Express Courier (Air) to OKC. VAT GB 224749301. Director: Bhavik Master.
RECLASSIFICATION: the workbook has been filing Paul James under 'knitwear' alongside sweaters and polos. Every captured order is a KNITTED BLAZER — soft unstructured tailoring. These belong in the JACKET count, not the sweater count.
| Order | Ordered | Shipped | Item | Colour | Size | List | Discount | Paid | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| PJK-223598 | ~Feb 2025 | ? | (not yet read) | ? | ? | EARLIEST ORDER. Confirmation not yet opened. | |||
| PJK-233175 | Jul 15, 2025 | Jul 16, 2025 | Lightweight Cotton DOUBLE BREASTED Knitted Blazer | ? | ? | Colour and price not yet read. | |||
| PJK-235271 | Aug 29, 2025 | Sep 1, 2025 | Lightweight Cotton FORMAL Knitted Blazer | White | S | Size S confirmed. | |||
| PJK-235876 | Sep 8, 2025 | Sep 9, 2025 | Lightweight Cotton FORMAL Knitted Blazer | Black | S | Size S confirmed. Same style as above, 10 days later, 2nd colour. | |||
| PJK-237675 | Oct 6, 2025 | Oct 7, 2025 | Lightweight Cotton DOUBLE BREASTED Knitted Blazer | NAVY | S / Regular | 390 | -97.5 | 317.73 | FULLY READ. List $390, code LPUH550NKL −25%, subtotal $292.50, shipping $0.00, VAT/tax $25.23. |
THE RECLASSIFICATION
• Paul James has been sitting in this workbook as a knitwear brand, grouped with Charles Tyrwhitt sweaters and polos. That was wrong. Four of the five orders are KNITTED BLAZERS — two Formal, two Double Breasted. They are jackets.
• That materially changes the jacket picture. Alongside Sartoro, Suitsupply, Hangrr, Black Lapel, Oliver Wicks and Covenant Brothers, there are now four more soft-tailoring jackets that were being counted as sweaters.
• A DOUBLE BREASTED knitted blazer is a genuinely unusual garment, and he bought TWO of them (Jul 2025 and Oct 2025). That is a deliberate style choice, not a one-off experiment.
SIZE — CONSISTENT WITH EVERYTHING ELSE
• SIZE S on all three orders where it is visible, and the Navy adds a fit qualifier: S / REGULAR.
• This lines up exactly with Charles Tyrwhitt knitwear and polos at Small (Feb 2026), and with the 17.10–17.25″ shoulder cluster. A Small blazer is a small frame.
• NOTE THE DATES: the two confirmed Small blazers were ordered Aug and Sep 2025 — five months BEFORE the Charles Tyrwhitt Small purchases in Feb 2026. Paul James was already cutting him Small while Charles Tyrwhitt was still selling him Medium linen shirts (Apr 2025). Another instance of different brands catching up to the same body at different speeds.
PRICING — he buys these at a hard discount
• The Navy Double Breasted lists at $390.00 and he paid $292.50 — a 25% discount code (LPUH550NKL). Same behaviour as Allen Edmonds, where four pairs were FINAL SALE and two were factory seconds.
• Shipping $0.00 on Express Courier (Air) from the UK. VAT/tax $25.23. Total $317.73.
• At $390 list these are NOT cheap knitwear — they sit above every Charles Tyrwhitt item and above most Proper Cloth shirts. Closer to a Hangrr blazer than to a sweater.
COLOUR
• White, Black, Navy confirmed. Navy AGAIN — now the dominant colour across footwear and tailoring alike. White and Black are the formal pair.
STILL TO READ — 4 of 5 orders need prices, and PJK-223598 (~Feb 2025) needs everything: item, colour, size and price. PJK-233175's colour and price are also unknown.
Ledbury
LEDBURY — FOUND Aug 14, 2026. A THIRD CUSTOM SHIRT MAKER, PREVIOUSLY UNRECORDED.
Richmond, Virginia. 2200 Decatur Street, Richmond VA 23224. Shopify. Made-to-order shirts.
The workbook had NO Ledbury records of any kind. Shirt makers were believed to be Proper Cloth (custom) and
Charles Tyrwhitt (ready-to-wear). Ledbury is a third, and it is CUSTOM.
THREE ORDERS IDENTIFIED
| Order | Confirmed | Item | Spec | Price | Notes |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| W255207 | Jul 12, 2025 | The Navy Blue SANDOVAL Oxford Chambray Custom Shirt | Short spread alden / Extra-slim / 15 / 34 | 135 | Subtotal $270.00 + shipping $15.00 = TOTAL $285.00. NO TAX charged. Shipping method: Air. Delivered Jul 22, 2025. |
| W255207 | The Light Blue BROMPTON Mouline Custom Shirt | Short spread alden / Extra-slim / 15 / 34 | 135 | ||
| W248806 | Mar 15, 2025 | NOT YET READ | Shipped Mar 19, delivered Mar 24, 2025. Confirmation exists — read it. | ||
| W247703 | ~Feb 2025 | NOT YET READ | Delivered Mar 3, 2025. Confirmation not yet located. | ||
| CAPTURED SO FAR — 1 of 3 orders | 285 | FLOOR. Two orders entirely unpriced. |
*** THE SHIRT BLOCK IS CONFIRMED ACROSS THREE MAKERS ***
Charles Tyrwhitt (RTW, 35 live shirts): 15 Coll / 34 Sl / XSLIM
LEDBURY (custom, 2 shirts): 15 / 34 / EXTRA-SLIM
Proper Cloth (custom): 15 / 15.4 collar
Ledbury and Charles Tyrwhitt agree EXACTLY: neck 15, sleeve 34, extra-slim/XSlim cut. That is two independent
makers landing on identical numbers, one ready-to-wear and one made-to-order.
This is the strongest confirmation of the shirt block in the workbook, and it means the ORDER-THIS size card can
state 15/34 extra-slim with high confidence for any new shirt brand.
COLLAR STYLE — a spec the workbook has never recorded
"Short spread alden" is named on both Ledbury shirts. Collar style has not been captured for ANY other shirt in
this workbook — not Charles Tyrwhitt, not Proper Cloth. It is a real fit variable (spread, point length, height)
and he has evidently made a deliberate choice here. Worth back-filling for Proper Cloth from its order records.
PRICING — Ledbury sits between Tyrwhitt and Proper Cloth
Charles Tyrwhitt ~$42-70 per shirt ready-to-wear, heavy discounting
LEDBURY $135.00 per shirt CUSTOM, no discount on this order
Proper Cloth $225-255 per shirt custom, landed $262-295
Ledbury is roughly HALF the Proper Cloth price for a custom shirt. If the fit is comparable that is a material
finding for future shirt buying. NO FIT VERDICT EXISTS on either Ledbury shirt — ask.
COMMERCIAL NOTES
- NO SALES TAX on W255207. Ledbury is Virginia-based; Oklahoma tax was not charged on this order. Contrast
Proper Cloth and Banana Republic, which both charge 8.625-8.63%.
- Shipping $15.00, method "Air". Not free. Ledbury pushes free-shipping promos by email but he paid carriage here.
- Made-to-order production begins within 2 business days; 24-hour window to request changes.
- WARNING IN THE EMAIL: "any marked down custom items marked Final Sale at the time of checkout are not eligible
for return or exchange." Discounted custom Ledbury shirts CANNOT be returned. Relevant given the 30%-off
sitewide promos he receives constantly.
MARKETING VOLUME AND THE DISCOUNT CYCLE
Ledbury emails 30%-off-sitewide promotions repeatedly (Apr 2025, Apr 2026, May 2026 all seen). A Dec 27, 2025
message says "months since your last order" — consistent with the Jul 2025 order being his most recent.
He appears to have bought at full price in Jul 2025 despite the recurring 30% cycle. Waiting for a promo would
have saved roughly $81 on that order.
STILL OPEN ON LEDBURY
1. Read W248806 (Mar 15, 2025) — confirmation exists in the mailbox.
2. Locate and read W247703 (~Feb 2025).
3. FIT VERDICT on the two Jul 2025 custom shirts. They are the same 15/34 block as the Tyrwhitt shirts that FAIL
dynamically. Do the Ledbury shirts pull on reaching and leaning, or not? That single answer would tell us
whether the Tyrwhitt problem is the BLOCK or the MAKER.
4. Ownership status — are all Ledbury shirts still on hand?
5. The Dec 2025 email mentions "shirts (or pants)" — Ledbury also sells trousers. Check whether any were bought.
*** UPDATE Aug 14, 2026 — FOUR LEDBURY SHIRTS, AND TWO CORRECTIONS ***
Owner: "i have the dark gray brompton shirt and the light gray brompton shirt too. same price.. same size."
W248806 was then READ to verify rather than assume. It confirms the light grey shirt and corrects two things.
THE FOUR SHIRTS
W247703 ~Feb 2025 DARK GREY Brompton Mouline 15/34 XS PRICE UNKNOWN — order not yet read
W248806 Mar 15 2025 LIGHT GREY Brompton Mouline 15/34 XS $85.00 paid (list $135, LEDBURY50 -$50)
W255207 Jul 12 2025 NAVY BLUE Sandoval Oxford Ch. 15/34 XS $135.00
W255207 Jul 12 2025 LIGHT BLUE Brompton Mouline 15/34 XS $135.00
THREE OF FOUR ARE BROMPTON MOULINE — light blue, light grey, dark grey. Decision-elimination in CUSTOM shirting.
*** CORRECTION 1 — "SAME PRICE" IS TRUE OF LIST, NOT OF WHAT HE PAID ***
All four shirts list at $135.00. But W248806 carried discount code LEDBURY50 for -$50.00, so that shirt cost
$85.00, not $135.00. Order total $100.00 including $15.00 shipping. Verified: 135 - 50 + 15 = 100 exactly.
So he paid $85 in March and $135 each in July for the same product line. The July order was at FULL PRICE.
The workbook must record PAID, not LIST. Ledbury captured spend is now $385.00 across two of three orders.
*** CORRECTION 2 — THE COLLAR IS NOT ONE STYLE. IT IS TWO. ***
The earlier note said "Short spread alden ... he has evidently made a deliberate choice here." That was premature.
W248806 (Mar 2025) SEMI-SPREAD QUINT
W255207 (Jul 2025) SHORT SPREAD ALDEN (both shirts)
He changed collar style between orders. That is EXPERIMENTATION, not a settled preference — and it is the only
collar-style data in the entire workbook.
IMPORTANT: this makes the two orders NOT directly comparable on fit. If one group fits better than the other, the
collar could be the reason rather than the body block. Do not treat all four as one fit datapoint.
W247703 collar style is UNKNOWN and would complete the picture.
WHAT HELD UP
- 15 / 34 / EXTRA-SLIM on all four shirts, across three orders and five months. The block is stable.
- $15.00 Air shipping on both read orders. Never free, despite the promo emails.
- NO SALES TAX on either order. Consistent Virginia-to-Oklahoma treatment.
THE DISCOUNT PATTERN IS NOW VISIBLE
Mar 2025 LEDBURY50 -$50.00 on one shirt = 37% off
Jul 2025 none = full price on two shirts
He used a code in March and not in July. Given Ledbury emails 30%-off-sitewide repeatedly, the July order left
roughly $81 on the table. Worth flagging on the ORDER-THIS card: NEVER buy Ledbury without a code.
STILL OPEN
1. W247703 — read it. It should contain the DARK GREY Brompton and will give the price and collar style.
2. FIT VERDICT on all four. Same 15/34 block as the Tyrwhitt shirts that fail dynamically — but two collar styles,
so ask per-collar: do the semi-spread quint and short spread alden shirts behave differently on reaching?
3. Ledbury also sells trousers ("shirts (or pants)" in their Dec 2025 email). Never checked.
*** LEDBURY COMPLETE — ALL THREE ORDERS READ Aug 14, 2026 ***
W247703 read. The shirt the owner calls "dark gray" is named CHARCOAL by Ledbury.
W247703 Feb 17 2025 CHARCOAL Brompton Mouline Semi-spread quint $135.00 total $150.00
W248806 Mar 15 2025 LIGHT GREY Brompton Mouline Semi-spread quint $ 85.00 total $100.00
W255207 Jul 12 2025 NAVY BLUE Sandoval Oxford Ch. Short spread alden $135.00 total $285.00
W255207 Jul 12 2025 LIGHT BLUE Brompton Mouline Short spread alden $135.00
THREE ORDERS · FOUR SHIRTS · items $490.00 + shipping $45.00 = TRUE TOTAL $535.00
Every order verified: subtotal + $15.00 shipping = stated total, to the cent. No tax on any order.
*** THE COLLAR SWITCH IS CHRONOLOGICAL, NOT RANDOM ***
Feb 2025 Charcoal SEMI-SPREAD QUINT
Mar 2025 Light Grey SEMI-SPREAD QUINT
Jul 2025 Navy SHORT SPREAD ALDEN
Jul 2025 Light Blue SHORT SPREAD ALDEN
He used semi-spread quint on the first TWO orders, then switched to short spread alden for the third and never
went back. That is a PROGRESSION — the same shape as every other size and fit migration in this workbook.
The obvious inference is that he tried the quint, wore it, and changed. But NOTHING CONFIRMS THAT.
ASK: was the switch to short spread alden a correction (the quint was wrong) or just variety? If it was a
correction, SHORT SPREAD ALDEN is the current collar and the two grey shirts are the ones to check for problems.
COLOUR — three of four are Brompton Mouline, and the greys dominate
Brompton Mouline: Charcoal · Light Grey · Light Blue (3 of 4)
Sandoval Oxford Chambray: Navy Blue (1 of 4)
SUPERSEDED — see the correction below. Grey was NOT the theme; it was what the fabric came in.
(The original note reasoned from colour. The owner has since explained the actual driver was FABRIC.)
NOTE: "Charcoal" now appears twice in the workbook — this shirt and the Kato Pen Slim Stretch 16w corduroy.
PRICING — the discount was a one-off
Feb 2025 no code $135.00
Mar 2025 LEDBURY50 $ 85.00 <- the only discount he ever used at Ledbury
Jul 2025 no code $135.00 x2
Three of four shirts were bought at full list. He used a code ONCE. Against Ledbury's constant 30%-off-sitewide
emails, the three full-price shirts left roughly $121 on the table.
SHIPPING IS A FLAT $15.00 PER ORDER regardless of size. The Jul 2025 two-shirt order therefore carried half the
per-shirt carriage of the two single-shirt orders. Consolidating Feb and Mar into one order would have saved $15.
LEDBURY IS NOW FULLY CAPTURED. No unread orders remain.
Remaining open questions are all FIT and OWNERSHIP, not transactional:
1. Fit verdict per collar style — quint (2 greys) vs alden (navy + light blue).
2. Do any of the four pull on reaching/leaning the way the Charles Tyrwhitt shirts do? Same 15/34 block.
3. Ledbury also sells trousers. Never searched.
*** CORRECTION Aug 14, 2026 — THE DRIVER WAS FABRIC, NOT COLOUR ***
Owner: "i bought that mouline shirt in every color they had. color wasn't the factor there, it was that fabric.
I would have bought it in other colors, but that's all they had. and the sandoval was as close as they had in
other material."
WHAT I GOT WRONG
The previous note read the Charcoal and Light Grey shirts as evidence that "grey is the theme" and that "Ledbury
is where he buys grey". That was inference from the colour column and it is WRONG.
He bought the BROMPTON MOULINE in EVERY COLOUR LEDBURY STOCKED. Charcoal, Light Grey and Light Blue are not a
palette choice — they are the complete available range. Grey is an ARTIFACT OF SUPPLY, not a preference.
*** THE UNIT OF DECISION-ELIMINATION IS FABRIC, NOT COLOUR ***
This is the most important structural correction on this tab. The workbook has repeatedly recorded duplicate
buying and has usually described it in terms of COLOUR ("white x4", "Brilliant White bought twice").
Ledbury shows the real mechanism: he finds a FABRIC that works and buys the entire colour range of it.
Colour is the variable he is willing to compromise on. FABRIC IS THE CONSTRAINT.
THIS EXACTLY MATCHES THE NAKED & FAMOUS FINDING
The N&F tab already records that its colour limitation (black and indigo only) is "A SUPPLY CONSTRAINT, NOT A
PREFERENCE". Ledbury is the same behaviour in a different category, and now independently confirmed by the owner.
TWO BRANDS, SAME MECHANISM. This should be treated as a general rule about this wardrobe, not a per-brand quirk:
WHEN A NARROW COLOUR RANGE APPEARS IN THIS WORKBOOK, TEST SUPPLY BEFORE INFERRING TASTE.
Colour conclusions drawn anywhere else in this workbook from a small sample are now suspect and should be
re-examined against what the brand actually offered at the time.
*** THE SANDOVAL WAS A SUBSTITUTE, NOT A SEPARATE CHOICE ***
"the sandoval was as close as they had in other material."
The Navy Sandoval Oxford Chambray was not a second preference — it was the NEAREST AVAILABLE MATCH once the
Brompton range was exhausted. He had run out of Brompton colours and reached for the closest hand Ledbury sold.
That reframes the Jul 2025 order entirely: it is a CONTINUATION of the Brompton buy, not a new direction.
It also explains the collar change in the same order — a different fabric got a different collar spec. The two
variables moved together, so the collar switch may not be a fit correction at all. DO NOT read it as one without
asking. The earlier question stands but the likely answer has shifted.
*** ACTIONABLE — THIS IS A STANDING BUY SIGNAL ***
"I would have bought it in other colors, but that's all they had." That is UNMET DEMAND, stated plainly.
IF LEDBURY RELEASES THE BROMPTON MOULINE IN A NEW COLOURWAY, HE WANTS IT.
This is the clearest reorder trigger in the entire workbook — better evidenced than any wishlist entry, because
it is a fabric he has already bought out completely rather than something he is speculating about.
Add to the ORDER-THIS view: monitor Brompton Mouline for new colours. Buy with a code (see the discount note).
WHAT REMAINS TRUE
- Three of four shirts ARE Brompton Mouline. That count is unchanged; only the explanation changed.
- 15 / 34 / extra-slim across all four. Unaffected.
- The fabric is evidently a success. A man does not buy out a range he dislikes. That is an implicit positive
verdict on the Brompton Mouline — though still not a substitute for an explicit fit answer.
*** RESOLVED Aug 14, 2026 — THE COLLAR QUESTION IS ANSWERED ***
Owner: "i've settled on short spread alden from ledbury."
SHORT SPREAD ALDEN IS THE CURRENT AND SETTLED LEDBURY COLLAR.
The chronology now reads as a genuine progression that CONCLUDED, not an open experiment:
Feb 2025 Charcoal semi-spread quint superseded
Mar 2025 Light Grey semi-spread quint superseded
Jul 2025 Navy SHORT SPREAD ALDEN <- settled
Jul 2025 Light Blue SHORT SPREAD ALDEN <- settled
I had flagged that the fabric and the collar changed in the same order, so the collar switch might have been
incidental to the Sandoval substitution. It was not. He tried quint, moved to alden, and stopped there.
ANY FUTURE LEDBURY ORDER: short spread alden. No further testing needed.
CONSEQUENCE FOR THE TWO GREY SHIRTS
The Charcoal and Light Grey shirts carry the SUPERSEDED collar. They were not rejected — nothing suggests they
were — but they are the only two garments in the workbook built to a spec he has since moved away from.
WORTH ASKING: does he still wear the two greys, or do they sit unworn because of the collar? That answers
whether the switch was a CORRECTION (greys are compromised) or a REFINEMENT (greys are still fine).
This is now the only open question on Ledbury.
NOTE: this does NOT change the buy signal. A new Brompton Mouline colourway is still a buy — just order it in
short spread alden rather than the quint the earlier greys were built with.
*** CLOSED Aug 14, 2026 — THE GREYS ARE FINE. IT WAS A REFINEMENT, NOT A CORRECTION. ***
Owner: "i still wear them. the two collars are not THAT different."
ALL FOUR LEDBURY SHIRTS ARE OWNED AND IN ROTATION.
Ownership status updated on all four Garment Inventory rows from "assumed" to OWNER-CONFIRMED, IN ROTATION.
The semi-spread quint shirts were NOT superseded in the sense of being rejected. He simply settled on alden.
LEDBURY IS NOW THE ONLY BRAND IN THE WORKBOOK WITH: every order read, every price known, and every garment's
ownership confirmed by the owner. It is the completeness benchmark for every other brand tab.
*** THE REAL FINDING — COLLAR IS A DIAL, NOT A GATE ***
Two collar facts landed within minutes of each other and they look contradictory until you see the structure:
"i HATE button down collars" -> absolute, categorical exclusion
"the two collars are not THAT different" -> marginal, tolerable difference
Both are true because THE BOUNDARY IS AT THE FAMILY LEVEL, NOT THE STYLE LEVEL.
INSIDE the spread family — spread, semi-spread, quint, alden — differences are minor and all are wearable.
OUTSIDE it — button-down — hard no, regardless of anything else about the shirt.
WHY THIS IS USEFUL RATHER THAN TRIVIA
1. It LOWERS RISK on any future shirt order. If short spread alden is unavailable, any other spread-family collar
is acceptable. He will not reject a shirt over collar style within the family. That is not true of waist,
leg opening or jacket size, where the workbook documents real failures.
2. It CORRECTLY SIZES the earlier concern. I had flagged the two greys as "the only garments built to a spec he
has moved away from" and asked whether they were compromised. They are not. That question is closed.
3. It sharpens the exclusion. Button-down is not "a collar he prefers less" — it sits outside the acceptable set
entirely, while everything inside the set is roughly interchangeable. Record it as a BINARY, not a ranking.
CONTRAST WITH THE OTHER FIT VARIABLES — worth keeping in view
HARD / pass-fail: waist (W30 Mauvais failed) · shoe size (43 Thomas Bird, 9.0 Allen Edmonds both too big)
alpha size (M failed Jul 2025) · collar FAMILY (button-down excluded)
SOFT / tolerable: collar STYLE within the spread family · colour (compromised on freely at Ledbury and N&F)
The workbook has tended to treat every recorded spec as equally important. It is not. Some variables have failure
modes and some do not, and knowing which is which is what makes the ORDER-THIS card trustworthy.
LEDBURY — REMAINING OPEN ITEMS
1. DYNAMIC fit verdict. "Still wear them" is rotation, not the movement test. The Charles Tyrwhitt shirts also
fit at rest and FAIL on reaching and leaning. Same 15/34 block. Do the Ledbury shirts pull when reaching
forward, leaning back, or drawing the elbows together? Still unanswered, and still the highest-value question.
2. Ledbury trousers — never searched.
Proper Cloth Fit Ladder
Proper Cloth — Shirt Fit Ladder (4 of 9 orders read)
Flat GARMENT inches, not body measurements. Proper Cloth states this on every email.
CRITICAL: the specs are FABRIC-CLASS SPECIFIC. The three WOVEN shirts form one clean ladder. The Feb 2025 shirt is a PERFORMANCE KNIT and is cut to a completely different, much tighter spec because knit stretches. Do NOT read the four columns as one sequence.
| Measure | AC1757735 Jan 12, 2025 WOVEN | AC1778444 Feb 20, 2025 KNIT PIQUE | AC1882039 Jul 26, 2025 WOVEN | AC2024242 Mar 26, 2026 WOVEN | Woven trend Jan 25 → Mar 26 | Read |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Standard Size | 16 / 34 XS | 15 / 34 XS | 15.5 / 34 XS | 15 / 34 XS | −1 collar | Woven went 16 → 15.5 → 15. The knit was cut at 15 from the start. |
| Collar Around | 16 | 15 | 15.5 | 15.4 | -0.6 | Knit is the SMALLEST collar ever cut — in Feb 2025. |
| Sleeve Length | 34 | 34 | 34 | 34.3 | 0.3 | Only growth. Knit matches the early wovens. |
| Chest Width | 22.5 | 20.7 | 22 | 21.2 | -1.3 | Knit is 0.50″ TIGHTER than the newest woven. |
| Midsection Width | 18.5 | 16.7 | 18 | 17.5 | -1 | Knit is 0.80″ tighter than the newest woven — the biggest gap. |
| Yoke Width (shoulder) | 17.9 | 16.9 | 17.6 | 17.1 | -0.8 | KNIT YOKE 16.90 sits BELOW every woven and below Suitsupply's 17.13. Knit-specific, not a body reading. |
| Back Length | 32 | 32 | 31 | 31 | -1 | Knit kept the long back. |
| Sleeve Width | 8.1 | 7.1 | 7.9 | 7.5 | -0.6 | Knit a full inch tighter than Jan. |
| Cuff Around | 8.8 | 8.3 | 8.7 | 8.4 | -0.4 | Knit tightest. |
| Bottom Width | 21.1 | 19.3 | 20 | 19.4 | -1.7 | Knit tightest. |
| Forearm | Three Pleats | TWO PLEATS | Three Pleats | Three Pleats | — | The knit is the ONLY shirt with two pleats — consistent with a narrower sleeve. |
| Shoulder/Armpit | Very Tailored | Very Tailored | Very Tailored | Very Tailored | — | unchanged in all four |
| Back Darts | Yes | Yes | None | Yes | toggled | Only the Jul 2025 woven dropped them. |
| Chest Posture | Standard | Standard | Standard | Chest Fwd 1″ | ADDED | Posture correction appears only on the newest. |
| Button Count | 8 | 8 | 8 | 8 | — | unchanged |
ORDER ECONOMICS
| Order | Fabric | Class | Shirt | Ship | Tax | Total |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| AC1757735 | Reda Burgundy Merino Wool PCF3929 | WOVEN | 200 | 18 | 17.25 | 235.25 |
| AC1778444 | Japanese Navy Performance Knit Pique PCK04 | KNIT | 130 | 18 | 11.21 | 159.21 |
| AC1882039 | Reda Black Merino Wool PCF2333 | WOVEN | 225 | 18 | 19.41 | 262.41 |
| AC2024242 | Reda Black Merino Wool PCF2333 | WOVEN | 255 | 18 | 22 | 295 |
| CAPTURED — 4 of 9 | 810 | 72 | 69.87 | 951.87 |
THE FINDING THAT ALMOST BROKE THE LADDER
• At first glance the Feb 2025 shirt destroys everything: a 15.00 collar and a 16.90 yoke, TIGHTER than the March 2026 shirt fourteen months later, and cut when the scale said 153.9 lb. That would mean the whole loose-to-snug story ran backwards.
• It does not. THE FABRIC IS DIFFERENT. AC1778444 is a Japanese Navy Performance KNIT PIQUE. The other three are all Reda Merino WOVENS. Knit stretches, so Proper Cloth cuts it substantially closer to the body — which is exactly what these numbers show: tighter in the collar, chest, midsection, yoke, sleeve, cuff and hem, plus TWO forearm pleats instead of three.
• So there are TWO SEPARATE SPEC FAMILIES here, and only the wovens are comparable to each other:
WOVEN LADDER (clean and monotonic): collar 16.00 → 15.50 → 15.40 · yoke 17.90 → 17.60 → 17.10 · chest 22.50 → 22.00 → 21.20.
KNIT (a single point): collar 15.00 · yoke 16.90 · chest 20.70.
• The woven ladder is unchanged and still supports the loose-to-snug reading. The knit tells us nothing about body change and everything about how Proper Cloth handles stretch fabric.
WHY THIS MATTERS BEYOND PROPER CLOTH
• The knit yoke reads 16.90″ — BELOW Suitsupply's 17.13″ and below every other shoulder figure in the workbook. If that number had been taken as a body measurement it would have corrupted the cross-brand shoulder cluster that four brands now agree on.
• RULE FOR THE REST OF THIS PROJECT: before comparing any two Proper Cloth orders, check the fabric class first. Five orders remain unread and any of them could be knits.
COMMERCIAL
• Knit is markedly cheaper: $130 against $200–255 for the Reda Merino wovens.
• Shipping is $18.00 on all four. Sales tax runs 8.62–8.63% and is charged on the shirt only.
STILL TO READ — 5 Proper Cloth orders: AC1786802 (Mar 6, 2025) · AC1794596 (Mar 18, 2025) · AC1810344 (Apr 10, 2025) · AC1811735 (Apr 12, 2025 — CASUAL PANTS, a separate pattern entirely) · AC1826334 (May 4, 2025). Message IDs for the first two are already located.
*** MAJOR UPDATE Aug 15, 2026 — THERE ARE FOUR PIQUE SHIRTS, NOT ONE. AC1786802 READ. ***
Owner: "i have a navy one, black one, white one and a short sleeve black one ... the long sleeve black pique and
white pique are a bit larger than the blue one. I prefer fit over the navy and it is probably closer to the
merino wool fit."
AC1786802 — Mar 6, 2025 — Japanese BLACK Performance Knit Pique PCK31 — $130.00
Standard Size 15.5 Collar / 34 Sleeve / Extra Slim. President SPREAD collar, long one-button cuff, no placket,
one-piece yoke, rounded hem, black buttons. Subtotal $130 + ship $18 + OK tax $11.21 = TOTAL $159.21.
Collar 15.50 · Sleeve 33.70 · Chest 21.70 · Midsection 17.70 · Yoke 17.40 · Back Length 30.70 ·
Sleeve Width 7.80 · Cuff 8.70 · Bottom 19.70 · Forearm TWO pleats · Back Darts NONE · Chest Posture Standard.
*** THE OWNER WAS RIGHT, AND THE NUMBERS GO FURTHER THAN HE SAID ***
He said the black is "a bit larger" than the navy and "probably closer to the merino wool fit".
It is larger than the navy by a FULL INCH in the chest — and it is actually LARGER THAN THE MERINO on every
girth measure, by 0.3 to 0.5 in. Chest 21.70 vs 21.20. Midsection 17.70 vs 17.50. Yoke 17.40 vs 17.10.
THE EASE LADDER — SUPERSEDED Aug 15, 2026. The "stated preference order" below was overturned when the owner settled on the MERINO WOVEN as a SINGLE SPEC. Do not use a band. See MTM SPEC SHEET.
Navy pique chest 20.70 flat = 41.4 circ = 3.4 in ease LESS PREFERRED
Merino woven chest 21.20 flat = 42.4 circ = 4.4 in ease *** THE SPEC *** — settled Aug 15, 2026. Dimensionally stable across three merino shirts.
BLACK pique chest 21.70 flat = 43.4 circ = 5.4 in ease AS-CUT ONLY — SHRANK on first wash. NOT the spec. (This row said "PREFERRED" until Aug 16, 2026; superseded by the MTM SPEC SHEET, Aug 15.)
Suitsupply chest 22.25 flat = 44.5 circ = 6.5 in ease TOO FULL
*** THIS OVERTURNS THE EASE BAND I RECORDED ON THE MTM SPEC SHEET EARLIER TODAY ***
The spec sheet said "target roughly 4 to 4.5 in of chest ease" — derived from the merino alone.
The owner PREFERS 5.4 in. The correct band is 4.4 to 5.4 in ease (21.2 to 21.7 flat). Below about 3.4 in is too
tight for his taste; above about 6.5 in is too full. The spec sheet has been corrected.
AND IT OVERTURNS THE KNIT-STRETCH CONCLUSION I DREW MINUTES EARLIER
I had reasoned from the navy pique alone that "Proper Cloth cuts knits closer because the fabric gives, so a knit
buys you about 1 in in the chest." WRONG AS A PREFERENCE STATEMENT.
The navy is the OUTLIER, not the rule. The black pique — same fabric family, same knit, cut two weeks later — is
a full inch LARGER. So the tight navy cut was a one-off, and he does not like it.
THE REAL RULE: knit vs woven does NOT change his preferred finished chest. Two of the three shirts he likes sit
between 21.2 and 21.7 regardless of fabric class. Fabric class changes DRAPE, not his target measurements.
OTHER SPEC DIFFERENCES WORTH NOTING ON THE BLACK PIQUE
- BACK DARTS: NONE. The navy had darts, the merino has darts. The preferred shirt has NO darts.
Worth testing: is the absence of darts part of why he prefers it? Darts pull the midsection in.
- BACK LENGTH 30.70 — the SHORTEST of any shirt in the ladder. Navy 32, merino 31.
- COLLAR 15.50, the largest of the three. He is not wearing a 15.0 collar by preference.
- PRESIDENT SPREAD collar — a spread-family collar, consistent with the no-button-down rule.
- SLEEVE LENGTH 33.70, shortest of the three. Merino is 34.30. A 0.6 in spread with no complaint either way.
STILL TO READ — the WHITE pique and the SHORT SLEEVE BLACK pique
Owner confirms four pique shirts exist. Two are now read (navy AC1778444, black AC1786802). The WHITE long-sleeve
and the SHORT-SLEEVE BLACK are in the remaining unread orders: AC1794596 (Mar 18, 2025), AC1810344 (Apr 10, 2025),
AC1826334 (date unknown). He states the WHITE is also "a bit larger" like the black, so it should read close to
21.7 — that is a PREDICTION and should be checked, not assumed.
READ THOSE THREE ORDERS NEXT. They are the last unread Proper Cloth shirts and they carry the confirmation of
the preferred fit.
AC1794596 READ Aug 15, 2026 — THE WHITE PIQUE. THE OWNER PREDICTION WAS EXACT.
Japanese WHITE Performance Knit Pique PCK06, $130.00. President Spread collar, long one-button cuff, no placket,
one-piece yoke, rounded hem, ROMA buttons. Ordered Mar 18, 2025. $130 + $18 ship + $11.21 tax = $159.21.
Collar 15.50 · Sleeve 33.70 · Chest 21.70 · Midsection 17.70 · Yoke 17.40 · Back 30.70 · Sleeve width 7.80 ·
Cuff 8.70 · Bottom 19.70 · Two forearm pleats · Back darts NONE · Standard posture.
*** THE WHITE AND BLACK PIQUES ARE DIMENSIONALLY IDENTICAL — EVERY FIGURE MATCHES TO THE HUNDREDTH ***
Owner said the black and white are both "a bit larger than the blue one". The numbers confirm it exactly: both
are 21.70 chest against the navy 20.70. Not approximately — identically. Same pattern, twelve days apart.
The only differences are fabric code (PCK31 black / PCK06 white) and button colour (Black / Roma).
THIS IS A CLEAN OWNER-PREDICTION VALIDATION. His recollection of relative fit was accurate to the tenth of an inch
across garments bought 18 months ago. Owner fit recollection has now earned real credibility in this workbook.
PIQUE FAMILY — 3 of 4 captured. Spend $390.00 + shipping/tax = $477.63 across three orders.
AC1778444 Feb 20 2025 NAVY PCK04 chest 20.70 $159.21 least preferred
AC1786802 Mar 6 2025 BLACK PCK31 chest 21.70 $159.21
AC1794596 Mar 18 2025 WHITE PCK06 chest 21.70 $159.21
STILL UNREAD: the SHORT-SLEEVE BLACK pique. It is in AC1810344 (Apr 10, 2025) or AC1826334.
NOTE: all three long-sleeve piques cost EXACTLY $159.21. Flat $130 shirt, $18 shipping, $11.21 tax, every time.
THE PIQUES ARE NOT THE SPEC. See MTM SPEC SHEET — the owner settled on the MERINO WOVEN AC2024242, and the pique
as-cut numbers are unreliable because that fabric SHRANK on first wash.
*** FIELD MAP TO SUITSUPPLY — owner-directed, Aug 16, 2026. Full table on the "SS MASTER — Full Measurements" tab. ***
Bottom width -> Suitsupply HIP WIDTH. Midsection width -> Suitsupply WAIST WIDTH. Both mapped as ROUGHLY the same position on the body.
Both sides are FLAT half-measures, so Proper Cloth numbers transfer into Suitsupply inch fields with no doubling and no conversion.
CAVEAT: the Proper Cloth definitions are verified from their measuring guide; the Suitsupply ones are NOT — those field tooltips have not been read. "Roughly the same position" is an owner judgement, not a confirmed equivalence.
CAVEAT: Proper Cloth states the MIDSECTION measuring point moves DOWN as back length increases. Back length ran 32 -> 31 -> 31 across the three Reda wovens, so the midsection column is not measured at a fixed height on the body even within this ladder.
Working values from AC2024242 (the shirt that fits): midsection 17.5 flat / 35.0 around · bottom 19.4 flat / 38.8 around. Tolerance +/-0.25 in on each.
*** DERIVED VALUE — SHOULDER SEAM TO CUFF = 25.5 in. Aug 16, 2026. ***
WORKING VALUE: 25.5 in. DERIVED, not measured. Owner-accepted as good enough — the whole uncertainty band is under half an inch and sits inside Proper Cloth sewing tolerance.
METHOD: Proper Cloth sleeve length runs centre-back-of-collar -> edge of yoke seam -> pivot -> down to cuff edge. Subtract the first segment to get shoulder-seam-to-cuff.
AC2024242 sleeve 34.3 - half yoke (17.1 / 2 = 8.55) = 25.75 in. That is the CEILING, not the answer.
Segment 1 is a HYPOTENUSE, not the horizontal half-yoke: it runs out AND DOWN from the collar base to the shoulder point (PC says "pivot slightly", confirming the angle).
At shoulder drops of 1.5 / 2.0 / 2.5 in the result is 25.62 / 25.52 / 25.39. Working band 25.4-25.6.
CROSS-CHECK: Black Lapel SHIRT sleeve 25.0 in on an 18.00 in shoulder. That shoulder is 0.9 in wider than PC 17.10, putting the shoulder point 0.45 in further out, so add 0.45 back: 25.45. Two brands agree near 25.5.
OPEN HYPOTHESIS, NOT A FINDING: Proper Cloth automatically adds a standard 0.3 in to Sleeve Length for shrinkage. The three Redas read 34.0 / 34.0 / 34.3 — the increase is EXACTLY 0.3. The ladder currently reads that as deliberate growth; it may instead be the shrinkage allowance surfacing in the stored spec. If so, the WORN sleeve is ~34.0 and shoulder-to-cuff drops to ~25.1-25.3. Unresolved.
TO COLLAPSE ALL OF IT: lay the merino flat and measure shoulder seam to cuff edge directly. One tape pull removes the shoulder-drop estimate, the shrinkage question and the tolerance stack.
OWNER ACTION LOGGED Aug 16, 2026: a new SHIRT PROFILE has been SAVED at Suitsupply using the Proper Cloth <-> Suitsupply field map. NOTE: the exact values entered were not captured — screenshot the saved profile so the workbook holds what was actually stored, not what was recommended.
ACTION Aug 16 2026: APPOSTA REORDER IS BLOCKED PENDING A SIZING UPDATE (owner instruction). Their stored profile dates from 3 Jul 2025 and predates every correction since — likely on the old 18 in shoulder block. Targets to give them are the AC2024242 figures above. Full note on the "New Brands — Alex Crane etc" tab.